Monday, September 7, 2009

[fast5] 2 + Weeks and zero results :(

Hi,
Been lurking here for a week or so. I've been on Fast-5 for 16 days now and my weight has not moved. I fast the full 19 hours and I workout with kettlebells four times per week. I'm 5'8" and weigh 174 lbs. My ideal weight according to Fast-5 calculations is 154lbs. My age is 42.

Should I be seeing results by now? How long does it usually take to start seeing results?

Any advice or opinion is appreciated.

Thank you.

Mark

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Friday, September 4, 2009

Re: [fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM, yoginidd<WAPFbaby@salvonix.com> wrote:
> Yes, I have also read about curcumin in turmeric for Alzheimer's. And hey, red wine for keeping iron down sounds like the ticket for me <g>. Short of leech therapy, I cannot give blood due to overseas living. I do not know about my genetics for this ... oh, I think my sister does have that problem. She always gives blood. At least at this point in time I have my cycles to rid me of iron.
>
> Deanna

If your sister has it, and has the genes, you certainly can get
your doc to get you gene-tested. Which means they will also
do the tests for TIBC and ferritin, so it's not a guessing game.
I think menstrual cycles are protective for most women, but
not always.

But it looks like a kind of phytate --- IP6 --- does a good job
of drawing down ferritin levels. I think turmeric does too, and
Vit C, but they "liberate" the ferritin into a raw iron form in the
blood. *That* seems to be what triggers the A-fib in me. I'm
hoping the IP6 doesn't. But I'm also getting tested because
this is too complex to just guess at. Eating turmeric,
drinking red wine with meals (or taking red grape extract:
Shaklee has something called Bibex?), eating whole grains
(or grain bran extract), Vit C, plenty of calcium with meals
... I think would help *prevent* the issue, and for most people
it would be harmless enough.

Actually figuring out the celiac stuff was really complex too.
I'm a fan of getting "real" tests, when it's possible. The
problem is when one falls into the "grey area" where a
thing might be a problem, but it's not "diagnosable". Like
having a fairly high blood sugar but not actually being
diabetic. Some of us want to "nip the problem in the bud"
before it causes too much damage, so we do stuff like
change our diets and experiment and talk it over with
each other.


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[fast5] Mini-Triathlon while fasting?

Thanks, everyone, for your advice and philosophies! You're all very wise :). Here's my next question...

I'm racing in a triathlon sprint (a mini-triathlon) in a couple weeks. I can do moderate exercise while fasting without a problem, and do this daily, but I've never done something this intense before.

Although it's a noncompetitive "fun run," the sprint is through water, woods, and mud, and it won't be possible for me to carry food with me in case I don't feel well. I'm trying to plan whether I need to eat before I race. Generally I feel much better when I don't eat in the mornings, but I'm a little afraid I might become faint or nauseated if I fast.

Does anyone have experience doing intense physical activity during a fast? Is it safe/healthy to burn this many calories so quickly on an empty stomach?

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[fast5] Fast-5ing and LCHF

I have been researching the low carb-high fat way of eating and am beginning to believe it. I'm going to start experimenting with it, but I have a question. I read that the intenstinal wall can only take in "12-15 grams per hour" of fat. I tend to not 'fast-5' but rather 'fast-1'. I have had significant weight loss but I am within maybe 10 pounds of my ideal weight. I want to lose body fat, and I have been working on strength training all along. The calculations for the percentages of carb/protein/fat say I should eat around 157g of fat (impossible for me to imagine right now). If I did this in my regular eating window of just an hour, would I really be only absorbing the 130 or so calories of fat and none of the other 1278? I don't want to be starving my body of calories, so while undertaking this endevour should I initially start myself back at the five hour eating window, rather than just eating in my one hour? Thanks for any input. :)

Emma

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Thursday, September 3, 2009

Re: [fast5] Emotional sabotage?

What I did for my family is to start reading to them at mealtimes. They
love being read to. It was pretty common for me to not eat with them
anyway though, because I would cook the meal and eat some of it,
and just plain not be hungry by the time they ate.

Eventually we all started eating mainly lunch, and everyone eats
it, mostly together. For dinner, if we eat together, it's usually
around a shared movie (we tape something everyone likes). I
do craft projects: they eat snacks.

For going out: sure, go out and drink. When I drink with people
I usually order fizz water with lemon. Basically I don't want to
drive under the influence for other health reasons. Maybe they
would appreciate having a driver anyway?

But yeah: socializing around food is a very human thing,
and it's built-in. I don't know a good way to change
people's minds about this. It's been a hard issue for me for
some time, for another reason: I can't eat wheat (celiac), and
it makes me very, very ill. There are few places I can eat
safely. It's one of the things that prompted me to adopt
this lifestyle, and it's been liberating to me. But when I go
to a party or a convention or whatever, it simply can't be about
food for me, and if they expect me to eat, I just can't.

Mostly though, people don't notice exactly what I'm eating.
I look at them and talk to them and sip on whatever I
happen to have, or sometimes nibble on some raw vegie
(I stretch the definition of "fasting" at times to include
low-calorie raw vegies like lettuce, green peppers, etc.,
which don't affect blood glucose much). For drinking you
can tip the barperson and say something like "keep bringing
me soda and lime" and they'll do it. If people ask, I say
I got addicted to it in Europe (I did, actually) and love that
I can drink many of them a night.

And don't let people "guilt you" into doing what they
do. You are right: if they feel badly because you don't
do what they do, it's their problem. You can just laugh:
"Oh, so if I don't drink what you drink, you'll be miserable?
Wow! It is so easy to make you miserable! What else
can I do that would make you miserable?"

Seriously, if the people in your life can control you that easily, it
will cause you problems in other areas too. Decide what
YOU need to do, and do it. If you aren't actually affecting
them directly (like, you decide to smoke and that affects
the air they breathe), then don't worry about it. "Not eating
what they eat" is not exactly friend-abuse.


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM, anusarabetty<anusarabetty@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I've been following Fast-5 for a couple months, and overall, I love it.  My main challenge is not with the diet itself, but with the attitudes of the people close to me - friends, family, boyfriend.  It's not that they're outwardly critical (frankly, I couldn't care less if they think I'm nuts), but rather that they become personally offended if I don't want to eat with them.  My boyfriend gets upset if I don't want to go out for breakfast, and my friends are mad if I don't want to get a drink at 11pm (my hours are 4-9pm).
>
> The thing is, I try to be as accommodating as possible - I'm always perfectly happy to go along to a restaurant or bar, or to suggest an alternative activity and way to spend time together without focusing on food, but they're almost never interested in my suggestions, and they become hurt and disappointed that I won't eat.  It's like their own personal enjoyment of their dining or social experience depends upon my consumption, and I don't understand it.
>
> Frankly, I think they're being pretty selfish to make me responsible for their happiness.  I refuse to feel guilty about sticking to my guns and following through with a goal that makes me happy and feeling great.  Sometimes, though, I do cave in just to appease my friends and avoid the conflict - not to mention, the constant temptation being shoved in my face is quite a challenge for my willpower.
>
> Has anyone had success in dealing with this issue?  I don't want to alienate anyone or create conflict, I just want to be left alone about my personal diet choices, and to stop being sabotaged with their emotional blackmail!  What's a tactful way to handle this with people close to me?
>
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Re: [fast5] Re: Emotional sabotage?



I am really appreciating Fast-5 very much - it seems like such a good "fit" for me in so many ways -  and how I am doing it is that I have a flexible window, so that means some days I fast more than 19 hours, some days I fast less than 19 hours.  I choose my window for the next day before I start the current day's window, and I choose my window based on my schedule, including considering social-eating situations.  Wishing to share this with y'all because the flexible-window seems like it can be a good way for people to address the social aspects.  I haven't heard any information that there's some reason to NOT have a flexible window - if the person is able to follow it.

I am glad that Fast-5 is working out for so many people.  I love the simplicity of it and I am very grateful to be able to fast/eat this way. 

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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:46 AM, carolyn_graff <zgraff@charter.net> wrote:
 

I would just keep sticking to your program and to your window. I find that the longer I do this, the fewer the comments and the more accepting others are of my way of eating. Give it some time and hopefully, your friends and family will get used to it. Stay strong!



--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "anusarabetty" <anusarabetty@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I've been following Fast-5 for a couple months, and overall, I love it. My main challenge is not with the diet itself, but with the attitudes of the people close to me - friends, family, boyfriend. It's not that they're outwardly critical (frankly, I couldn't care less if they think I'm nuts), but rather that they become personally offended if I don't want to eat with them. My boyfriend gets upset if I don't want to go out for breakfast, and my friends are mad if I don't want to get a drink at 11pm (my hours are 4-9pm).
>
> The thing is, I try to be as accommodating as possible - I'm always perfectly happy to go along to a restaurant or bar, or to suggest an alternative activity and way to spend time together without focusing on food, but they're almost never interested in my suggestions, and they become hurt and disappointed that I won't eat. It's like their own personal enjoyment of their dining or social experience depends upon my consumption, and I don't understand it.
>
> Frankly, I think they're being pretty selfish to make me responsible for their happiness. I refuse to feel guilty about sticking to my guns and following through with a goal that makes me happy and feeling great. Sometimes, though, I do cave in just to appease my friends and avoid the conflict - not to mention, the constant temptation being shoved in my face is quite a challenge for my willpower.
>
> Has anyone had success in dealing with this issue? I don't want to alienate anyone or create conflict, I just want to be left alone about my personal diet choices, and to stop being sabotaged with their emotional blackmail! What's a tactful way to handle this with people close to me?
>



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Re: [fast5] Re: Emotional sabotage?



 
Everyone's going to have an opinion here.  Here's mine!
 
Look, Fast5 is not a religion, and it's not a die-hard rigid-strict regimen.  It's a tool to help you gain a better understanding around how your body processes energy, and how you can use that knowledge to reduce the amount of stored fat that you carry around.  To me, it's as simple as that. 
 
From a social standpoint, it's important to keep in mind that sharing a meal is one of the primary ways that we interact as human beings.  It's a communion with other people, and when you choose not to engage in that communion, people are going to process it differently -- ESPECIALLY if they themselves have their own body issues to contend with! Some people will be totally understanding, some will resort to emotional subterfuge to undermine you (because some people only know how to make themselves feel less inadequate by doing that), and others will just feel that your more concerned about your body than you are about sharing your life with them - because subconsciously, sharing a meal is symbolic of sharing your life with others.  It's not an obvious thing, but psychologically it's important to keep that in mind, at least in my eyes.
 
For me, it's a quality of life issue.  So, I broke my cycle to have a meal with someone I care about (or a really good meal) . . . . Oh no! I've ruined my routine!  I need to go to caloric confession!  I'm a bad person because I'm overweight!  For many of us we lived with that sort of self-damaging mindset and that's why we got so big to begin with. 
 
The way I look at it is just that if I'm going to break my cycle for a meal with someone, fine - but it's generally only going to be once a day, so it's only going to take a day to get back on track.  Besides -- we're all smart people.  Fast5 is not the only way to regulate your intake you know?  Of course we've all got our issues (I'm a binge-eater myself), but still, for me the joy of Fast5 is not about having some structure that I have to adhere to no matter who thinks what, but that it provides me with a better understanding of how my body operates in its food/energy relationship,  and that allows me to approach things from a knowledgeable approach instead of a fictional one. 
 
If a meal is important to someone, it's important for me to show them where they lie in my priority list.  It goes both ways -- people that feel that I am important to them will also respect my approach and between the lot of us, there is a balanced quality of life and that should be the focus for me -- not how my butt looks in these jeans.   :-)
 
Okay, done ranting and procrastinating.  Back to work!
 
Phil
 
(PS:  my own update: from being 430 pounds or so in 2001, down to around 230 when I started F5 earlier this year, down to about 205 now -- but that's with a few pounds of added muscle (started the gym back in 2006).  Cardio and weight training along with F5 methodology really seems to work well for this talking gorilla! )

--- On Thu, 9/3/09, carolyn_graff <zgraff@charter.net> wrote:

From: carolyn_graff <zgraff@charter.net>
Subject: [fast5] Re: Emotional sabotage?
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 10:46 AM

 
I would just keep sticking to your program and to your window. I find that the longer I do this, the fewer the comments and the more accepting others are of my way of eating. Give it some time and hopefully, your friends and family will get used to it. Stay strong!

--- In fast5@yahoogroups. com, "anusarabetty" <anusarabetty@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I've been following Fast-5 for a couple months, and overall, I love it. My main challenge is not with the diet itself, but with the attitudes of the people close to me - friends, family, boyfriend. It's not that they're outwardly critical (frankly, I couldn't care less if they think I'm nuts), but rather that they become personally offended if I don't want to eat with them. My boyfriend gets upset if I don't want to go out for breakfast, and my friends are mad if I don't want to get a drink at 11pm (my hours are 4-9pm).
>
> The thing is, I try to be as accommodating as possible - I'm always perfectly happy to go along to a restaurant or bar, or to suggest an alternative activity and way to spend time together without focusing on food, but they're almost never interested in my suggestions, and they become hurt and disappointed that I won't eat. It's like their own personal enjoyment of their dining or social experience depends upon my consumption, and I don't understand it.
>
> Frankly, I think they're being pretty selfish to make me responsible for their happiness. I refuse to feel guilty about sticking to my guns and following through with a goal that makes me happy and feeling great. Sometimes, though, I do cave in just to appease my friends and avoid the conflict - not to mention, the constant temptation being shoved in my face is quite a challenge for my willpower.
>
> Has anyone had success in dealing with this issue? I don't want to alienate anyone or create conflict, I just want to be left alone about my personal diet choices, and to stop being sabotaged with their emotional blackmail! What's a tactful way to handle this with people close to me?
>




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