Saturday, August 28, 2010

[fast5] Re: Throwing food away

"... food going into fat on my hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into the bin."

Love this! It's a great answer when visiting and someone accuses you of wasting food or trying to force you to take seconds so something doesn't go to waste. But it really can't be used if you served yourself and don't eat what you took.

--
Marty

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
>

--- SNIP ---

> It's so true, it took me years to realise that food going into fat on my
> hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into
> the bin. As you said the savings start with buying less and i think that's
> where I struggle most. Once it's bought, if it's excess then it's already a
> waste regardless of what happens to it.
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
>


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Friday, August 27, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing food away





On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:

As a kid, I kept fantazing about wrapping up my leftovers and mailing them to the starving children in India!

Me too :-)  Only in my case it was Biafra. I remember being sent to my room in disgrace because I'd heard one too many times "Think of the poor starving children in Biafra" and i said "Right, fine, let them eat it then because I don't want to".

I try not to waste food, but not to force myself to eat what I don't want. I try to buy what I need and freeze leftovers. I need to save money.

It's so true, it took me years to realise that food going into fat on my hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into the bin. As you said the savings start with buying less and i think that's where I struggle most. Once it's bought, if it's excess then it's already a waste regardless of what happens to it.

Cheers
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[fast5] Re: Throwing food away

My aunts really tortured me about eating everything on my plate. Part of it was not wasting food, and part of it was an effort to make sure we were eating enough healthy food. My one aunt forced all of us to drink a large glass of homogenized, pasteurized, milk with each meal, she was convinced it was good for us. I don't agree now. But she was trying to do the right thing.

As a kid, I kept fantazing about wrapping up my leftovers and mailing them to the starving children in India!

I try not to waste food, but not to force myself to eat what I don't want. I try to buy what I need and freeze leftovers. I need to save money.

Sometimes I make mistakes in cooking, and it comes out bad tasting, that goes to waste.

- T

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Chantelle Meade <chantelles@...> wrote:
>
> yep. it was a big mindset shift for me probably more than 20 years
> ago now to throw food away. and i was super skinny when i started
> doing it, but obsessed with being sure i stayed that way. before i
> got that mindset, i had some interesting experiences with it all.
>
> i realize how much i've shifted and my parents haven't whenever i'm
> around them (i'm 45 and they are upper 70's). about once a year we
> eat at their house and that happened this week(my little guy had a
> birthday). my kids left food on their plate (were not allowed to take
> it up themselves so someone else put it on plate) and i didn't think
> too much of it but i did realize it was different to them (my
> parents) who never ever put food down the disposal or anywhere
> (except there stomachs). my mom even commented on it. and before that
> discussion i said something about (me)'not finishing there's" because
> if we are all on a trip together or something, somebody always
> finishes the food the kids can't eat, like my dad usually. (he's
> thin, never had a weight problem)
> both of my parents are good at not taking too big of portions and no
> weight problems....
> when i first realized i had to change MY mindset was at college. it
> was dished up for us. i ahd been taught not to waste food. i had
> never left food on my plate. so i was initially trying to eat it all.
> once i learned to throw it away there though i've enver really looked
> back. if i eat out, i bring the rest home (usually a very large
> amount of it) in a take out box and spread that out over several days
> sometimes :)
> chantelle
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Heather Twist wrote:
>
> > Oh that is just so sad! I am sorry for that little kid.
> >
> >
> > When we had our daughter, my dh started the same thing, wanting her
> > to clean her plate. He does not clean HIS plate: he stops eating
> > when he's full. He is skinny. He skips meals too. I said "Look: do
> > you really want to teach her to stuff herself past when she's full?
> > Our country is full of fat people!". So we agreed: she could eat
> > what she felt like eating. We let her choose her own portions, and
> > if she didn't finish them, we pointed that out ("Looks like you
> > took too much this time. Next time take less?").
> >
> > Some days all she would eat was one piece of broccoli. But she
> > wasn't anorexic or overly skinny, so I just ignored it. Also, she
> > wasn't pigging out on candy. We always had candy around, and she
> > ignored it. She would steal pieces of mango while I was slicing it
> > (we played a game called "Mango Bandit"). She loved to hoard candy
> > from Halloween and gifts, but it would go buggy before she actually
> > ate any.
> >
> > Anyway, she is 16 now and gorgeously athletic. Some days she pigs
> > out: some days she doesn't eat much. It's basically intermittent
> > fasting, I think, but at some intuitive level. I am so happy I
> > dropped the 5-meals-a-day thing before she could remember. She is
> > really proud that, if needed, she can go all day with no food and
> > handle it: to her that is a kind of power, since everyone else she
> > meets is a slave to food. She weighs 160 and it is all muscle.
> >
> > I think for most kids, you can let them trust their instincts. And
> > your parents should have allowed you to do that too. Eating
> > something you don't want to eat is a kind of torture, and should
> > not be practiced. Physically hurting a kid for not eating, that is
> > just child abuse.
> >
> > BTW, about "throwing food away". The Earth throws food away all the
> > time. Every time a plant grows, and it is not eaten, it just rots
> > and goes back into the cycle. Billions of tons of greens and roots
> > are NOT eaten ... in the rainforest, in the prairie. Think of all
> > the fish that die natural deaths and are not eaten. The stuff you
> > eat ... that goes back into the cycle too. Whether or not a plant
> > or animal passes through your digestive tract means very little to
> > the universe in general or to the Earth in particular.
> >
> > If you want to improve the Earth in particular, think about stuff
> > like how you handle plastic garbage bags or plastic bottles. Buy
> > locally. Give to Heifer International to help people "grow their
> > own". And when you do Fast-5, you WILL be eating and buying less
> > overall, so the bit that might be "wasted" in your learning curve
> > is overall a good investment.
> >
> > Anyway, look at the "big picture", not at the bit of food you
> > couldn't eat. Your parents couldn't get past their own issues, but
> > you can.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Jump4Joy <joy2garden@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not only was I told about the starving children in Africa/India/
> > China, my parents tried to force me to clean my plate (which they
> > loaded up) by setting a timer and threatening me with a spanking
> > with a 12-inch wooden paddle. The many welts and bruised fingers I
> > received were a testament to my stubborness. They eventually gave
> > up the spankings, but made me sit at the table for hours after
> > dinner saying that I couldn't leave the table until my food was
> > gone. Sadly, we didn't have a dog, so I became skilled at hiding
> > food in my clothes and taking it apart and pushing it around on and
> > under my plate.
> >
> > It actually makes me a little happy to throw away "perfectly good"
> > food (No wonder! Right?). One normal-eating tip is to dissect the
> > food on your plate by only eating the best bits and tastes first,
> > and then eat only until you're politely satisfied. What's left are
> > the less-favorite parts and it's easy to throw them out because it
> > looks unappealing. It helps to remember that your body is not a
> > trash-bin. <smile>
> >
> > Best, Joy
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Lesley Taylor <lesleytaylor6112@>
> > wrote:
> > ....which leads me to another thing that I need to
> > > work on. "Throwing food away" - I find it so difficult, and no
> > my mother did
> > > not tell me about the starving children in Africa, and I was
> > never forced to eat
> > > anything I did not want. I just find it so hard to throw away
> > good food that is
> > > still edible. I keep practicing though, tears rolling down my
> > face when the
> > > food hits the bottom of the bin.......I am sure it will get
> > easier....everything
> > > else is.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing food away



yep. it was a big mindset shift for me probably more than 20 years ago now to throw food away. and i was super skinny when i started doing it, but obsessed with being sure i stayed that way. before i got that mindset, i had some interesting experiences with it all.


i realize how much i've shifted and my parents haven't whenever i'm around them (i'm 45 and they are upper 70's). about once a year we eat at their house and that happened this week(my little guy had a birthday). my kids left food on their plate (were not allowed to take it up themselves so someone else put it on plate) and i didn't think too much of it but i did realize it was different to them (my parents) who never ever put food down the disposal or anywhere (except there stomachs). my mom even commented on it. and before that discussion i said something about (me)'not finishing there's" because if we are all on a trip together or something, somebody always finishes the food the kids can't eat, like my dad usually. (he's thin, never had a weight problem)
both of my parents are good at not taking too big of portions and no weight problems....
when i first realized i had to change MY mindset was at college. it was dished up for us. i ahd been taught not to waste food. i had never left food on my plate. so i was initially trying to eat it all. once i learned to throw it away there though i've enver really looked back. if i eat out, i bring the rest home (usually a very large amount of it) in a take out box and spread that out over several days sometimes :)
chantelle
On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Heather Twist wrote:

 

Oh that is just so sad! I am sorry for that little kid.


When we had our daughter, my dh started the same thing, wanting her to clean her plate. He does not clean HIS plate: he stops eating when he's full. He is skinny. He skips meals too. I said "Look: do you really want to teach her to stuff herself past when she's full? Our country is full of fat people!". So we agreed: she could eat what she felt like eating. We let her choose her own portions, and if she didn't finish them, we pointed that out ("Looks like you took too much this time. Next time take less?").

Some days all she would eat was one piece of broccoli. But she wasn't anorexic or overly skinny, so I just ignored it. Also, she wasn't pigging out on candy. We always had candy around, and she ignored it. She would steal pieces of mango while I was slicing it (we played a game called "Mango Bandit"). She loved to hoard candy from Halloween and gifts, but it would go buggy before she actually ate any.

Anyway, she is 16 now and gorgeously athletic. Some days she pigs out: some days she doesn't eat much. It's basically intermittent fasting, I think, but at some intuitive level. I am so happy I dropped the 5-meals-a-day thing before she could remember. She is really proud that, if needed, she can go all day with no food and handle it: to her that is a kind of power, since everyone else she meets is a slave to food. She weighs 160 and it is all muscle.

I think for most kids, you can let them trust their instincts. And your parents should have allowed you to do that too. Eating something you don't want to eat is a kind of torture, and should not be practiced. Physically hurting a kid for not eating, that is just child abuse.

BTW, about "throwing food away". The Earth throws food away all the time. Every time a plant grows, and it is not eaten, it just rots and goes back into the cycle. Billions of tons of greens and roots are NOT eaten ... in the rainforest, in the prairie. Think of all the fish that die natural deaths and are not eaten. The stuff you eat ... that goes back into the cycle too. Whether or not a plant or animal passes through your digestive tract means very little to the universe in general or to the Earth in particular.

If you want to improve the Earth in particular, think about stuff like how you handle plastic garbage bags or plastic bottles. Buy locally. Give to Heifer International to help people "grow their own". And when you do Fast-5, you WILL be eating and buying less overall, so the bit that might be "wasted" in your learning curve is overall a good investment.

Anyway, look at the "big picture", not at the bit of food you couldn't eat. Your parents couldn't get past their own issues, but you can.


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Jump4Joy <joy2garden@yahoo.com> wrote:


Not only was I told about the starving children in Africa/India/China, my parents tried to force me to clean my plate (which they loaded up) by setting a timer and threatening me with a spanking with a 12-inch wooden paddle. The many welts and bruised fingers I received were a testament to my stubborness. They eventually gave up the spankings, but made me sit at the table for hours after dinner saying that I couldn't leave the table until my food was gone. Sadly, we didn't have a dog, so I became skilled at hiding food in my clothes and taking it apart and pushing it around on and under my plate.

It actually makes me a little happy to throw away "perfectly good" food (No wonder! Right?). One normal-eating tip is to dissect the food on your plate by only eating the best bits and tastes first, and then eat only until you're politely satisfied. What's left are the less-favorite parts and it's easy to throw them out because it looks unappealing. It helps to remember that your body is not a trash-bin. <smile>

Best, Joy

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Lesley Taylor <lesleytaylor6112@...> wrote:
....which leads me to another thing that I need to
> work on.  "Throwing food away" - I find it so difficult, and no my mother did
> not tell me about the starving children in Africa, and I was never forced to eat
> anything I did not want.  I just find it so hard to throw away good food that is
> still edible.  I keep practicing though, tears rolling down my face when the
> food hits the bottom of the bin.......I am sure it will get easier....everything
> else is.



 
 




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Thursday, August 26, 2010

[fast5] Re: Chewing gum... or licorice root?

Thank you.

I really need to break my tongue-chewing habit! Before Fast-5, I would chew on my tongue a bit, but then get something to eat. Now while I am waiting to break my fast the chewing goes on a lot longer.... my tongue can't take it!! I don't break the skin or anything, just kinda knead the tongue with my teeth.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.nutsonline.com/cookingbaking/herbsspices/licorice.html?utm_source=googlebase
>
> $10 a lb. isn't bad. A pound of licorice root is a lot of root!
>
> It doesn't work for me, as I said before. I do like Neem though. You can get
> that here:
>
> http://neemtreefarms.com/raw-botanicals-c-128.html
>
> As near as I can tell, neem has zero bad side effects and some very good
> ones. It's been very, very good for my teeth and makes a great tea. However,
> I have as yet been unable to grow it successfully.
>
> <http://www.nutsonline.com/cookingbaking/herbsspices/licorice.html?utm_source=googlebase>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Nic <nicollbarker@...> wrote:
>
> > I've been chewing sugar free gum lately to have that something to chew on
> > without breaking my fast effect but don't really like the idea of chemicals
> > and to be honest I don't really like the taste of chewing gum.
> >
> > Licorice root sounds like a good idea, I love the taste of licorice and I
> > have low blood pressure so like the idea it might raise it a touch!
> >
> > Any ideas where this can be purchased from, anyone?
> >
> > Niki
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good
> > > laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you
> > that
> > > way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories!
> > >
> > > Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still
> > > find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.
> > >
> > > I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with
> > Neem
> > > sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth
> > but
> > > not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would
> > like
> > > > to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have
> > to be
> > > > sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse
> > than
> > > > sugar.
> > > >
> > > > Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried
> > > > root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew
> > on
> > > > that during my fast?
> > > >
> > > > Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my
> > tongue...
> > > > My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was
> > chewing
> > > > it for a while....
> > > >
> > > > - T
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Heather Twist
> > > http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeatherTwist
> > > www.dunkers.us
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>
> http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeatherTwist
> www.dunkers.us
>


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[fast5] Re: Chewing gum... or licorice root?

If you have an herb store near you.

Otherwise you can google it, and buy it online.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Nic" <nicollbarker@...> wrote:
>
> I've been chewing sugar free gum lately to have that something to chew on without breaking my fast effect but don't really like the idea of chemicals and to be honest I don't really like the taste of chewing gum.
>
> Licorice root sounds like a good idea, I love the taste of licorice and I have low blood pressure so like the idea it might raise it a touch!
>
> Any ideas where this can be purchased from, anyone?
>
> Niki
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> >
> > I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good
> > laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you that
> > way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories!
> >
> > Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still
> > find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.
> >
> > I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with Neem
> > sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth but
> > not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> >
> > > I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would like
> > > to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have to be
> > > sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse than
> > > sugar.
> > >
> > > Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried
> > > root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew on
> > > that during my fast?
> > >
> > > Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my tongue...
> > > My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was chewing
> > > it for a while....
> > >
> > > - T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Heather Twist
> > http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> >
> > http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeatherTwist
> > www.dunkers.us
> >
>


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Re: [fast5] Re: Chewing gum... or licorice root?



http://www.nutsonline.com/cookingbaking/herbsspices/licorice.html?utm_source=googlebase


$10 a lb. isn't bad. A pound of licorice root is a lot of root!

It doesn't work for me, as I said before. I do like Neem though. You can get that here:


As near as I can tell, neem has zero bad side effects and some very good ones. It's been very, very good for my teeth and makes a great tea. However, I have as yet been unable to grow it successfully.



On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Nic <nicollbarker@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I've been chewing sugar free gum lately to have that something to chew on without breaking my fast effect but don't really like the idea of chemicals and to be honest I don't really like the taste of chewing gum.

Licorice root sounds like a good idea, I love the taste of licorice and I have low blood pressure so like the idea it might raise it a touch!

Any ideas where this can be purchased from, anyone?

Niki

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good
> laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you that
> way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories!
>
> Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still
> find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.
>
> I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with Neem
> sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth but
> not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would like
> > to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have to be
> > sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse than
> > sugar.
> >
> > Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried
> > root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew on
> > that during my fast?
> >
> > Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my tongue...
> > My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was chewing
> > it for a while....
> >
> >  - T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>
> http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeatherTwist
> www.dunkers.us
>




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