Thursday, October 28, 2010

Re: [fast5] ancient diets and hunting Re: Dealing with Hunger??





On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:29 AM, foxchyck <foxeye@jungle-fire.com> wrote:
Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there.  Was it that it *wasn't* enriched?

I get the rice that is "packaged for export" ... aka it is sold at the Asian stores and has artistic characters on it that I can't read. Or at Costco (our Costco carries a lot of stuff for Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese restaurants). It is not enriched, which is important to me because my iron levels get too high if I'm not careful. But also ... it tastes better. Really. I used to laugh at my friends who were "so picky" about rice, but  now I'm picky too. 

Japanese, Korean, and Chinese rice are each different. "Sweet rice" and "Sushi rice" are different too. By and large I've found it's like wine: the more you pay, the better it is, but the cheaper stuff isn't bad either as long as it's not labelled "fortified" <g>.  Homai brand is pretty good. I like medium grain, the kind that kind of sticks together. Some people prefer the longer grain which is "fluffy", which I can't stand these days, but if you like it, the Costco Basmati rice is good. (the fluffy rice is better if you cook it with turmeric and other spices, then fluff it with a little oil before serving).

 
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Heather Twist
http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
 
 


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Re: [fast5] Small fish from Asian Markets




On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:06 am, Heather Twist wrote:
> Salmon is not my favorite fish. I like small bony fish, preferably with
> the skin. And often, in Asian stores, they are sold with the guts too
> (esp. if they are full of roe, which is wonderful). Whole baby fish are
> big in Asian cuisine (they are sold as a bar snack too!). They are
> extremely filling and loaded with nutrients.

I would love to try this! There is a huge Asian market near my home.
With a large fish counter. What do I ask for? If they even understand me
this time! Or maybe I should bring a picture... what are the small fish
called, so I can find a pic on the internet? Esp the ones with roe?

Thank you!

The ones with roe are usually yellow croaker. You can tell they have roe because they are uncleaned and very fat. But I don't know the names of them mostly either ... I just point and smile. They have a lot of good frozen fish too. The Asian stores around here have amazing vegetables too: way better quality, more variety, cheaper prices. I love coming home with a big bag of lichis or mangosteens.

I have a Korean cookbook, and a Japanese cookbook (and there's lots of stuff on the Internet and at the library), so I find stuff in there too. Mostly it's pretty easy, just different.

The dried fish look like this:



They take a bit of psychological getting used to, but they are one of the most nutritious foods anywhere (they are used for feeding expensive birds too). I am not an expert at cooking them (yet!) so I often buy them pre-cooked in a kind of sweet chili sauce at the Korean store. You can just sautee them in hot oil and sprinkle salt on them too ... it's the Asian version of hot peanuts (ok, they have hot peanuts too, which are also awesome).

Don't forget that it is chestnut season too ... fresh hot chestnuts! They have nice fresh ones at our Asian stores too.

-- Heather.




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[fast5] Small fish from Asian Markets

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:06 am, Heather Twist wrote:
> Salmon is not my favorite fish. I like small bony fish, preferably with
> the skin. And often, in Asian stores, they are sold with the guts too
> (esp. if they are full of roe, which is wonderful). Whole baby fish are
> big in Asian cuisine (they are sold as a bar snack too!). They are
> extremely filling and loaded with nutrients.

I would love to try this! There is a huge Asian market near my home.
With a large fish counter. What do I ask for? If they even understand me
this time! Or maybe I should bring a picture... what are the small fish
called, so I can find a pic on the internet? Esp the ones with roe?

Thank you!


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[fast5] ancient diets and hunting Re: Dealing with Hunger??

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Salmon is not my favorite fish.


Awfully tasty when I throw in some cashews to make a salmon version of "cashew chicken" with the rice.

We study so many things that I thank you for opening my mind that we might be over-thinking things. I'm going to go back to not being afraid to eat high carb white rice,with the thought that fasting is my "ace in the hole" if the high carb rice really is bad.

Barnaby

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Re: [fast5] ancient diets and hunting Re: Dealing with Hunger??

I find this absolutely fascinating! Thank you for posting.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 7:48 am, Heather Twist wrote:
> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day.
> The rat knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If
> they are given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of
> that, to get exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also
> according to other nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what
> to eat.
>
> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a
> protein shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In
> general, it will eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day
> after day.


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Re: [fast5] ancient diets and hunting Re: Dealing with Hunger??

I just finished a book called, 'Fiber Menace' which says that for most
of human time, we have had a bacteria based diet. Now parts of the world
are in this new era of a fiber based diet, and it is wreaking havoc on
many people's systems. He says brown rice is actually too fibrous, and
white rice is better. Hmmm...

Although, in the book, 'Sugar Shock' or 'Sugar Blues' - can't remember
which - the author says that communities who switched to white rice this
century started having a lot more health problems... Double hmmm...

I personally am not eating grains, and feel much better. But my partner
and son miss rice sorely. Things that make you go hmmm...


On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 9:37 am, foxchyck wrote:
> Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the
> morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice
> you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there. Was it that it
> *wasn't* enriched?
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:41 AM, barnabywalker
>> <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > With all the studying you do, I'm surprised you don't know "why"
>> the high
>> > carb white rice works. But hey, not everyone is willing to
>> experiment, as
>> > you, growing "flying" chickenfeed. ;-)
>> >
>>
>> LOL! Yeah, I have a VERY tolerant family.
>>
>> I do have one theory about why this diet works. It has to do with the
>> appestat and food predictivity (I don't know if that's a word, so
>> maybe I
>> made it up).
>>
>> Rats don't get fat normally, even when you way overfeed them and they
>> don't
>> get any exercise. The food just sits and gets moldy. To do "fat rats"
>> experiments, you need a special breed of rat.
>>
>> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day.
>> The rat
>> knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If they
>> are
>> given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of that,
>> to get
>> exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also according to other
>> nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what to eat.
>>
>> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a
>> protein
>> shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In general, it
>> will
>> eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day after day.
>>
>> If the protein shake doesn't have enough of one nutrient, then the
>> rat might
>> eat too many calories though ... in order to get that nutrient.
>>
>> And here is the kicker: if you CHANGE the protein shake, then the rat
>> eats
>> too much or too little for a couple of days, until its brain figures
>> out how
>> much to eat. It can't predict, based on taste, what are the contents
>> of the
>> shake.
>>
>> So with human beings ... in most times and places, people had
>> something we
>> call a "food culture" or a "cuisine". Most families had, say, 10-12
>> recipes
>> that they cooked a LOT ... roast chicken on Sunday, say, or baked
>> potatoes
>> and steak, or rice and beans. Or whatever. But people's brains knew
>> what was
>> in the food, because it was the same food. And when Mom baked you a
>> cookie
>> ... it was Mom's cookie recipe that she always made, and your brain
>> knew how
>> many to eat.
>>
>> Also, Mom made meals in such a way that they filled you UP. She
>> didn't want
>> to waste food, or have you whining for more in an hour or two. She
>> probably
>> didn't think about this much, just, tended to make stuff that made
>> you full
>> and happy.
>>
>> Now, what happens today with food?
>>
>> First, it's not Mom making it. It's some food company. And that food
>> company
>> is not at all interested in filling you UP. They want you to eat
>> LOTS. And
>> they do tests to see: how many cookies will people eat? They tend to
>> choose
>> the recipes where testers eat LOTS of cookies. I don't really blame
>> MSG
>> here: I think it's more the case that Mom used lots of eggs and some
>> butter
>> and milk and such so Mom's cookies had plenty of nutrients and protein
>> (because again: she wanted you to be full). Cookie companies don't
>> use those
>> ingredients so much: they are expensive, and also, they fill people
>> up, so
>> people don't eat so many of them.
>>
>> Second, your brain can't predict what is in the food. The food
>> companies are
>> all different, and they change their recipes whenever they feel like
>> it. Two
>> snack bars can look and taste alike and be wildly different in calorie
>> content. It's even worse with stuff like hamburgers and fries.
>>
>> So your average Asian meal consists of rice, plus some toppings for
>> the
>> rice. You can eat more rice, or less rice. More toppings, or less
>> toppings.
>> Usually there is a choice of toppings at each meal.
>>
>> What happens? First, your body knows what "rice" is. It can predict
>> the
>> calorie content really easily. It knows exactly how much of it to eat.
>> Second, you can change the meal content according to what you NEED to
>> eat,
>> rather than according to "serving size".
>>
>> So when I say my family tends to eat "one chicken thigh" worth of
>> chicken
>> ... it's not because that's what I tell them to eat. That is just my
>> observation. I serve vegies, rice, meat, sauces. They eat what they
>> feel
>> like eating. If I cook one huge yummy steak per person ... they still
>> only
>> eat part of one steak. And they only eat about a cup of rice. It's
>> actually
>> pretty consistent. But sometimes my daughter will just pig out and
>> eat a
>> huge amount of one thing. She stays pretty much the same weight
>> always.
>>
>> Also, "gelatinized" starches act differently in your body than "dry"
>> starches. I'm not sure what all the differences are, but part of it is
>> bacteriological. If you feed a horse dry oats, too many of them, the
>> horse
>> will die. The bacteria overgrow and the horse gets acidosis. But,
>> horses
>> race faster if they get more oats, so they do "extruded" oats, where
>> the
>> oats are gelatinized, kind of like oat spaghetti. Those don't kill the
>> horse.
>>
>> Steamed rice is gelatinized. Rice crackers are not. So eating steamed
>> rice
>> with a meal makes sense to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I'll have to go back to a more controlled experiment of white
>> rice
>> > and salmon, being sure that white rice is the only source of carbs.
>> It
>> > doesn't make sense that high carbs of white rice would be good, but
>> it
>> > hasn't at first glance logically made sense that Fats are good for
>> us,
>> > either.
>> >
>>
>> You might want to stick in some good greens too, and a
>> garlic/ginger/whatever sauce. You body wants the stuff that is in
>> greens
>> too, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks for the reports on your experiments, I'm going back to read
>> more of
>> > your blog.
>> >
>>
>> I hope it doesn't warp your mind too badly :-)
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Barnaby
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Heather Twist
>> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>>
>
>

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[fast5] ancient diets and hunting Re: Dealing with Hunger??

Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there. Was it that it *wasn't* enriched?


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:41 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > With all the studying you do, I'm surprised you don't know "why" the high
> > carb white rice works. But hey, not everyone is willing to experiment, as
> > you, growing "flying" chickenfeed. ;-)
> >
>
> LOL! Yeah, I have a VERY tolerant family.
>
> I do have one theory about why this diet works. It has to do with the
> appestat and food predictivity (I don't know if that's a word, so maybe I
> made it up).
>
> Rats don't get fat normally, even when you way overfeed them and they don't
> get any exercise. The food just sits and gets moldy. To do "fat rats"
> experiments, you need a special breed of rat.
>
> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day. The rat
> knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If they are
> given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of that, to get
> exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also according to other
> nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what to eat.
>
> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a protein
> shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In general, it will
> eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day after day.
>
> If the protein shake doesn't have enough of one nutrient, then the rat might
> eat too many calories though ... in order to get that nutrient.
>
> And here is the kicker: if you CHANGE the protein shake, then the rat eats
> too much or too little for a couple of days, until its brain figures out how
> much to eat. It can't predict, based on taste, what are the contents of the
> shake.
>
> So with human beings ... in most times and places, people had something we
> call a "food culture" or a "cuisine". Most families had, say, 10-12 recipes
> that they cooked a LOT ... roast chicken on Sunday, say, or baked potatoes
> and steak, or rice and beans. Or whatever. But people's brains knew what was
> in the food, because it was the same food. And when Mom baked you a cookie
> ... it was Mom's cookie recipe that she always made, and your brain knew how
> many to eat.
>
> Also, Mom made meals in such a way that they filled you UP. She didn't want
> to waste food, or have you whining for more in an hour or two. She probably
> didn't think about this much, just, tended to make stuff that made you full
> and happy.
>
> Now, what happens today with food?
>
> First, it's not Mom making it. It's some food company. And that food company
> is not at all interested in filling you UP. They want you to eat LOTS. And
> they do tests to see: how many cookies will people eat? They tend to choose
> the recipes where testers eat LOTS of cookies. I don't really blame MSG
> here: I think it's more the case that Mom used lots of eggs and some butter
> and milk and such so Mom's cookies had plenty of nutrients and protein
> (because again: she wanted you to be full). Cookie companies don't use those
> ingredients so much: they are expensive, and also, they fill people up, so
> people don't eat so many of them.
>
> Second, your brain can't predict what is in the food. The food companies are
> all different, and they change their recipes whenever they feel like it. Two
> snack bars can look and taste alike and be wildly different in calorie
> content. It's even worse with stuff like hamburgers and fries.
>
> So your average Asian meal consists of rice, plus some toppings for the
> rice. You can eat more rice, or less rice. More toppings, or less toppings.
> Usually there is a choice of toppings at each meal.
>
> What happens? First, your body knows what "rice" is. It can predict the
> calorie content really easily. It knows exactly how much of it to eat.
> Second, you can change the meal content according to what you NEED to eat,
> rather than according to "serving size".
>
> So when I say my family tends to eat "one chicken thigh" worth of chicken
> ... it's not because that's what I tell them to eat. That is just my
> observation. I serve vegies, rice, meat, sauces. They eat what they feel
> like eating. If I cook one huge yummy steak per person ... they still only
> eat part of one steak. And they only eat about a cup of rice. It's actually
> pretty consistent. But sometimes my daughter will just pig out and eat a
> huge amount of one thing. She stays pretty much the same weight always.
>
> Also, "gelatinized" starches act differently in your body than "dry"
> starches. I'm not sure what all the differences are, but part of it is
> bacteriological. If you feed a horse dry oats, too many of them, the horse
> will die. The bacteria overgrow and the horse gets acidosis. But, horses
> race faster if they get more oats, so they do "extruded" oats, where the
> oats are gelatinized, kind of like oat spaghetti. Those don't kill the
> horse.
>
> Steamed rice is gelatinized. Rice crackers are not. So eating steamed rice
> with a meal makes sense to me.
>
>
>
> I think I'll have to go back to a more controlled experiment of white rice
> > and salmon, being sure that white rice is the only source of carbs. It
> > doesn't make sense that high carbs of white rice would be good, but it
> > hasn't at first glance logically made sense that Fats are good for us,
> > either.
> >
>
> You might want to stick in some good greens too, and a
> garlic/ginger/whatever sauce. You body wants the stuff that is in greens
> too, I think.
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the reports on your experiments, I'm going back to read more of
> > your blog.
> >
>
> I hope it doesn't warp your mind too badly :-)
>
>
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>


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