Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle

Sunday, June 27, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Water and hunger

I think for runners they have some kind of formula. I think you can just go by your thirst level though: like I always say, your body has a really primo chemistry set built into it, and whole circuits dedicated to keeping your water level correct. I think most of the people who have issues with too much water are likely forcing themselves to either drink more than they want, or they are sticking to a very low-salt diet because they feel it is "healthy".

Anyway, with animals, you are supposed to provide a salt lick, and a water trough, and let the animal decide how much it wants. I think this works with people too, if they pay attention to what they really want vs. what people are telling them they want.

Too much salt can be a problem, but the opposite is true also, and low-salt diets can lead to problems (see below).

As for Indians drinking water: I don't know the stats for all cultures, but it's fairly common to read something like "They don't drink water if they can help it, but rather drink [tea, cider, kvass, fill in the blank]". I think the osmotic pressure of plain water is a little lower than what the human body wants, which is why Gatorade was invented. The question of WHY that would be so though, intrigues me. I'm guessing that standing water in many places in the world really isn't "pure water" like we get from the tap. If it's swampy water it has a lot of tannins in it (like tea!), and if it's lake water it probably has salts in it.

Interestingly, my chickens, if they are running loose and have a choice, prefer water from a dirty bucket that has algae growing in it, to pure water in a clean bucket.

There is also something with Northern Europeans: a rather large portion of the population has one cystic fibrosis gene. That gene regulates salt usage: having one gene is thought to make you less likely to die from cholera, but it also makes you excrete salt more than you would otherwise. I kind of wonder if some portion of the population isn't partially adapted to drinking salt water, since the British Isles were, in the past, mainly sea-based foodwise.

Salt and heart disease:

The study, published online in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, doesn't confirm that a low-salt diet itself is bad for the heart. But it does say that people who eat the least salt suffer from the highest rates of death from cardiac disease.

"Our findings suggest that one cannot simply assume, without evidence, that lower salt diets 'can't hurt,' " Cohen said.

Cohen and his colleagues looked at a federal health survey of about 8,700 Americans between 1988 and 1994. All were over 30, and none were on special low-salt diets.

Even after the researchers adjusted their statistics to account for the effect of cardiac risk factors like smoking and diabetes, the 25 percent of the population who ate the least salt were 80 percent more likely to die of cardiac disease than the 25 percent who ate the most salt.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4996363&page=1

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thank you Heather.

I was wondering how much water is "too much".

When I was in Egypt, 110° F, I intuitively started drinking water with lemon and salt. It was delicious to me, especiallly in the heat. I craved it.

Now I am home, (USA) doing the fast five and I have been drinking a lot of plain water, but maybe I should do my salty lemon water more.

When I get hungry I drink more, waiting for my window to open....

- T

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Re: [fast5] Re: Water and hunger

I use just enough soda to balance the vinegar, so maybe half a tsp? I'm not sure why soda would be bad, except maybe it dilutes stomach acid. It wouldn't do that mixed with vinegar though. And of course soda increases sodium, which some people try to avoid.

My own sodium level tends to be low, which might be why I crave it sometimes. Sodium should be balanced by potassium, and I'm not sure if I get enough of that either. I've been increasing the number of vegies I eat though.

That is one of the issues I have seen on the super-low-carb diets. I think people do need vegetables, esp. greens. The vegies have the polysaccharides and vitamins and some minerals that meat just doesn't have. Giving up your Big A$$ salad makes for less hydration, but it also affects your gut flora, which can affect your appetite too.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:15 AM, RickS <rstewart@iaff.org> wrote:

Hi Heather, sorry I didn't read your post before posting mine. I loves me some salt. :) I put it on just about everything! Neat idea about the baking soda for fizziness. But I have read that ingesting too much baking soda can be bad too. How much do you use?

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Re: [fast5] Re: Vegetarian/Vegan???

And if the zoning allows, keeping a couple of chickens is wonderful. They are way easier to keep than a dog or cat, and they will also be your own private garbage disposal and fertilizer factory. Using wood pellets in the bottom of the coop, they don't smell either.

Homegrown eggs are just nothing like storebought (even the "cage free" storebought ones). They are a complete food too: in one experiment rats were fed nothing but eggs and they did fine. And home chickens are rather happy animals, way happier than your average dog (who pines whenever the owner is gone) or cat (who will not show happiness on general principles). Chickens mostly care that they have good food and a nesting box, and really love it if you give them all the pulled weeds from your yard. (They also like wandering around your yard if that is possible: mine used to but the eagles started noticing .... ).

If one of your neighbors has chickens, they likely have too many eggs for at least part of the year, and may be willing to sell some. I give mine away to some select people, namely the ones who donate egg cartons to the cause!

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:04 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have asked vegans, what is their arguments against eggs and dairy raised by small farmers who care for their animals? They never have an answer for me.

No human culture has ever been vegan. Every tradtional culture has had some form of animal food in their diet, be it eggs or dairy or insects, though usually meat and fish. There have been very few vegetarian cultures worldwide.

Keep eating eggs and don't feel bad about it. Try to get your eggs from local organic farmers if you can.

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Re: [fast5] Dr. Serrano on vegan diets.

"Dr. Eric Serrano M.D.
With advanced degrees in nutrition, kinesiology and wellness
475 North Hill Road
Pickerington, OH 43147-1157

EMAIL QUESTIONS TO: eathealthy@grasslandbeef.com "

It looks like Dr. Serrano is consulting for a meat seller? Not that his answer isn't a good one, just that it cuts into his credibility some.

I'm still waiting for *someone* to start talking about the high ferritin levels that can (in some people) be caused by eating meat, grass-fed or otherwise. I don't think this means one shouldn't eat meat, because the heme iron can be blocked by taking calcium at the same meal for those people, but it might account for why some people feel so much better on a vegan diet.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:30 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dr. Eric Serrano M.D., M.S., B.C.

Dear Dr. Serrano,

I live in North Palm Beach, FL. I am a young mom of two preteens and have a die-hard, meat-eating husband. We are in a whirlwind of disagreement since I just spent a week in a "raw food" health institute in West Palm Beach where I learned the "detriments" of meat eating which leads to degeneration, as they taught. We ate vegan raw food the entire time there, and my friend dropped 50 points in her cholesterol in 3 weeks. She also became somewhat anemic. I personally had no adverse effects, and lost 5 lbs in one week. I weigh 110 and am 5'6", so that was a lot for me.

In light of learning of all the recommendations leading to avoiding read meat for consumption, as well as ethical reasons, I started to eat vegetarian when I came home from the stay. I viewed one too many PETA videos of factory farming and abuse and my stomach turned.

So, I have been eating vegan these past two months, with no problems, and my family is very upset. They don't want to join me. This has gone on for two months now. I found U.S. Wellness Meats and read about the farm, grass-fed beef, etc, and now am awaiting an order of meat from John, who spoke with me recently. I'm grateful he has healthier food than conventional beef! (I sent the info out to all my meat eating friends.) I figured that if my beautiful family insists upon eating meat, I will at least get them healthy meat. But I still feel as though I am buying them clogged arteries and high cholesterol. Can you tell me how this may be wrong? Can proper omegas and CLA's be gotten from Fish Oil?

Where in all this does cholesterol and heart disease come in? Why does the book "The China Study" have such great implication and strong, researched argument against meat eating if it is really safe? Who is right? What gives?

I would like to know the truth and eat what is healthy! I truly appreciate your help! Thanks for your time!

Eagerly awaiting your response,

Lisa
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Dear Lisa,

I am very familiar with the Raw Institute, even though I have not been there myself. I will try to answer your questions without letting you know I dislike the vegan diet.

Your friend losing 50 points of cholesterol doesn't mean a thing. Cholesterol is the most important antioxidant in the body but it is a great selling point for the pharmaceutical industry. Cholesterol is the mother of 90% of your hormones and also it is in every cell in your body. Do you know that your body makes 60% of your cholesterol? Did you know that your brain, if you pull the water off, is almost all fat?
Did you know that if your cholesterol is less than 155 after 55 or 60 the chances of dying of cancer or suicide increases by 3000%?

Cholesterol lowering doesn't mean a thing unless you have extreme numbers and that is your body telling you something is going on. Did you know that if your cholesterol is high, it may mean that your hormones are low, and because it has to produce more hormones it has to dump more cholesterol into the blood so it can make the hormones necessary to be alive? Did you know that normal cholesterol levels 10 years ago were 250 and now the doctors want to lower that number to 150?

If the body was really made to only eat vegetables, which I can tell you it is not, then we wouldn't make a hormone or an enzyme called elastin. Only carnivores produce this enzyme hormone, and guess what, humans do. Now if you go back to prehistoric era, you have never seen a man building a garden, but there is plenty of evidence they used to kill or cut so they could eat. The reason they needed meat and skin was to protect themselves from the elements and other animals. Agriculture didn't exist until the Egyptians took over the world. They could feed people in one place due to agriculture, but before that time we were mostly nomads, meaning we moved with the food and the seasons. Yes, we ate vegetables, fruits and nuts, but we never stopped hunting to grow vegetables. The best way to really follow vegetarians, is by following a culture that is pure vegetarian, and we still haven't found one, and the closest one is the people from India and they are not pure vegans.

Your body requires B12, vitamin D and other natural sources of necessary or essential nutrients that are provided by meat or fish, and sorry, but vegetables will not give you any of those nutrients. Also, where are you going to get the fat that you require to be alive? I would like to know how much energy, and sex drive you have in 6 months, please let us know.

The problem is the quality of the meat, and not the meat itself. If I give poison to my meat, what do you think you are eating? If you find a dead animal that was poisoned with a lethal dose and you eat it, you are going to get sick, this of course is an extreme but that is what we are doing with our children when we eat the commercially grown meats and non-organic vegetables. Also, where are your vegetables coming from? Are they from a hydro farm, are they fresh, who picked the vegetables, what type of soil was used? Did they use artificial fertilizers, and who touched them before you ate them?

We have to eat fish, meat or eggs so we can survive, if not you will get sick, trust me.

Thank You,

Dr. Serrano

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Dr. Serrano has a wealth of knowledge from both his farm background, 15 years of clinical experience and an award-winning professor at Ohio State Medical School. Dr. Serrano has an outstanding family practice on the outskirts of Columbus, Ohio and works with a select group of professional athletes.

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475 North Hill Road
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[fast5] Dr. Serrano on vegan diets.

Dr. Eric Serrano M.D., M.S., B.C.

Dear Dr. Serrano,

I live in North Palm Beach, FL. I am a young mom of two preteens and have a die-hard, meat-eating husband. We are in a whirlwind of disagreement since I just spent a week in a "raw food" health institute in West Palm Beach where I learned the "detriments" of meat eating which leads to degeneration, as they taught. We ate vegan raw food the entire time there, and my friend dropped 50 points in her cholesterol in 3 weeks. She also became somewhat anemic. I personally had no adverse effects, and lost 5 lbs in one week. I weigh 110 and am 5'6", so that was a lot for me.

In light of learning of all the recommendations leading to avoiding read meat for consumption, as well as ethical reasons, I started to eat vegetarian when I came home from the stay. I viewed one too many PETA videos of factory farming and abuse and my stomach turned.

So, I have been eating vegan these past two months, with no problems, and my family is very upset. They don't want to join me. This has gone on for two months now. I found U.S. Wellness Meats and read about the farm, grass-fed beef, etc, and now am awaiting an order of meat from John, who spoke with me recently. I'm grateful he has healthier food than conventional beef! (I sent the info out to all my meat eating friends.) I figured that if my beautiful family insists upon eating meat, I will at least get them healthy meat. But I still feel as though I am buying them clogged arteries and high cholesterol. Can you tell me how this may be wrong? Can proper omegas and CLA's be gotten from Fish Oil?

Where in all this does cholesterol and heart disease come in? Why does the book "The China Study" have such great implication and strong, researched argument against meat eating if it is really safe? Who is right? What gives?

I would like to know the truth and eat what is healthy! I truly appreciate your help! Thanks for your time!

Eagerly awaiting your response,

Lisa
______________________________________________

Dear Lisa,

I am very familiar with the Raw Institute, even though I have not been there myself. I will try to answer your questions without letting you know I dislike the vegan diet.

Your friend losing 50 points of cholesterol doesn't mean a thing. Cholesterol is the most important antioxidant in the body but it is a great selling point for the pharmaceutical industry. Cholesterol is the mother of 90% of your hormones and also it is in every cell in your body. Do you know that your body makes 60% of your cholesterol? Did you know that your brain, if you pull the water off, is almost all fat?
Did you know that if your cholesterol is less than 155 after 55 or 60 the chances of dying of cancer or suicide increases by 3000%?

Cholesterol lowering doesn't mean a thing unless you have extreme numbers and that is your body telling you something is going on. Did you know that if your cholesterol is high, it may mean that your hormones are low, and because it has to produce more hormones it has to dump more cholesterol into the blood so it can make the hormones necessary to be alive? Did you know that normal cholesterol levels 10 years ago were 250 and now the doctors want to lower that number to 150?

If the body was really made to only eat vegetables, which I can tell you it is not, then we wouldn't make a hormone or an enzyme called elastin. Only carnivores produce this enzyme hormone, and guess what, humans do. Now if you go back to prehistoric era, you have never seen a man building a garden, but there is plenty of evidence they used to kill or cut so they could eat. The reason they needed meat and skin was to protect themselves from the elements and other animals. Agriculture didn't exist until the Egyptians took over the world. They could feed people in one place due to agriculture, but before that time we were mostly nomads, meaning we moved with the food and the seasons. Yes, we ate vegetables, fruits and nuts, but we never stopped hunting to grow vegetables. The best way to really follow vegetarians, is by following a culture that is pure vegetarian, and we still haven't found one, and the closest one is the people from India and they are not pure vegans.

Your body requires B12, vitamin D and other natural sources of necessary or essential nutrients that are provided by meat or fish, and sorry, but vegetables will not give you any of those nutrients. Also, where are you going to get the fat that you require to be alive? I would like to know how much energy, and sex drive you have in 6 months, please let us know.

The problem is the quality of the meat, and not the meat itself. If I give poison to my meat, what do you think you are eating? If you find a dead animal that was poisoned with a lethal dose and you eat it, you are going to get sick, this of course is an extreme but that is what we are doing with our children when we eat the commercially grown meats and non-organic vegetables. Also, where are your vegetables coming from? Are they from a hydro farm, are they fresh, who picked the vegetables, what type of soil was used? Did they use artificial fertilizers, and who touched them before you ate them?

We have to eat fish, meat or eggs so we can survive, if not you will get sick, trust me.

Thank You,

Dr. Serrano

_____________________________________________________________________________________

This is a friendly reminder to email health and wellness questions to the email address below for Dr. Eric Serrano M.D. question and answer series. Please place Dr. Serrano's name in the subject line for quicker processing.

Answers will appear in future issues of the Newsletter and News Alert. Your full name will not be displayed. Dr. Serrano has been so kind to offer his expertise to literally any question related to health and wellness involving grass-fed meats.

Dr. Serrano has a wealth of knowledge from both his farm background, 15 years of clinical experience and an award-winning professor at Ohio State Medical School. Dr. Serrano has an outstanding family practice on the outskirts of Columbus, Ohio and works with a select group of professional athletes.

Dr. Eric Serrano M.D.
With advanced degrees in nutrition, kinesiology and wellness
475 North Hill Road
Pickerington, OH 43147-1157

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[fast5] Re: Vegetarian/Vegan???

And what do vegans do for vitamin B12? There is no vegan source.

Almost all of the vegans I know are in their teens and twenties. One reason is that when you are that young, you can get away with a bad diet longer, without noticing it.

If you care about animals. then buy from small farmers.

- T

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
>
> I have asked vegans, what is their arguments against eggs and dairy raised by small farmers who care for their animals? They never have an answer for me.
>
> No human culture has ever been vegan. Every tradtional culture has had some form of animal food in their diet, be it eggs or dairy or insects, though usually meat and fish. There have been very few vegetarian cultures worldwide.
>
> Keep eating eggs and don't feel bad about it. Try to get your eggs from local organic farmers if you can.
>
> - T
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Niki Barker <nicollbarker@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm vegetarian, sometime struggling type of Vegan. Just can't always resist cheese and chocolate! I do also eat free range eggs so I guess I am really only a vegetarian but trying to be vegan.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't find the Fast5 hard, I have had some hard times, for example I started eating badly, just ganniting junk food and then I have trouble lasting the next day until my eating window again. I'm pretty much back on track now and find if I feel hungry it's normally thirst so I find black coffee or green tea gets rid of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > My diet isn't brilliant but I always break my fast with a few pieces of fruit and a small bowl of nuts. I do eat load of veggies too but do snack on crisp breads and peanut butter or rice cakes and the odd bar of chocolate, bag of crisps. I'm pretty sure I eat too much in my window but I'm lucky enough that at the moment I'm only trying to maintain my weight as I don't need to lose any and I'm continuing to do that on Fast5.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do quite a bit of exercise, mostly in the form of walking, I walked 18 miles last sunday on only a bottle of water and 2 cups of coffee and survived without any problems! I'm doing a 25 mile walk tomorrow and the temperature is supposed to be over 30degrees so will have to drink more fluids. I will take a banana or something with me in case I do feel faint and/or weak but hope not to need it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, what I'm trying to say in a rambling roundabout sort of way, is that I haven't found it hard doing Fast5 as a vegetarian but do eat lots of nuts for my protein.
> >
> >
> >
> > Niki
> >
> >
> >
> > To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> > From: guygiard@
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:48:22 +0000
> > Subject: [fast5] Vegetarian/Vegan???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello again everyone
> >
> > I'm new to this Fast-5 method and intrigued, it goes against so much the grain!!!! But I do water fasting so I'm used to go against the accepted ideas.
> >
> > So my question is would such a program be compatable with a vegetarian/vegan diet
> >
> > I'm asking since it seems to mean a big diminution of calorie intakes which my eating habits already entails.
> >
> > So are there any Vegans / Vegetarians here on this group who can share their experiences?
> >
> > Thanks a million
> >
> > Guy
> >
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Vegetarian/Vegan???

A vegan culture would not be able to reproduce successfully.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have asked vegans, what is their arguments against eggs and dairy raised by small farmers who care for their animals? They never have an answer for me.

No human culture has ever been vegan. Every tradtional culture has had some form of animal food in their diet, be it eggs or dairy or insects, though usually meat and fish. There have been very few vegetarian cultures worldwide.

Keep eating eggs and don't feel bad about it. Try to get your eggs from local organic farmers if you can.

- T

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Niki Barker <nicollbarker@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I'm vegetarian, sometime struggling type of Vegan. Just can't always resist cheese and chocolate! I do also eat free range eggs so I guess I am really only a vegetarian but trying to be vegan.
>
>
>
> I don't find the Fast5 hard, I have had some hard times, for example I started eating badly, just ganniting junk food and then I have trouble lasting the next day until my eating window again. I'm pretty much back on track now and find if I feel hungry it's normally thirst so I find black coffee or green tea gets rid of it.
>
>
>
> My diet isn't brilliant but I always break my fast with a few pieces of fruit and a small bowl of nuts. I do eat load of veggies too but do snack on crisp breads and peanut butter or rice cakes and the odd bar of chocolate, bag of crisps. I'm pretty sure I eat too much in my window but I'm lucky enough that at the moment I'm only trying to maintain my weight as I don't need to lose any and I'm continuing to do that on Fast5.
>
>
>
> I do quite a bit of exercise, mostly in the form of walking, I walked 18 miles last sunday on only a bottle of water and 2 cups of coffee and survived without any problems! I'm doing a 25 mile walk tomorrow and the temperature is supposed to be over 30degrees so will have to drink more fluids. I will take a banana or something with me in case I do feel faint and/or weak but hope not to need it.
>
>
>
> Anyway, what I'm trying to say in a rambling roundabout sort of way, is that I haven't found it hard doing Fast5 as a vegetarian but do eat lots of nuts for my protein.
>
>
>
> Niki
>
>
>
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> From: guygiard@...
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:48:22 +0000
> Subject: [fast5] Vegetarian/Vegan???
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello again everyone
>
> I'm new to this Fast-5 method and intrigued, it goes against so much the grain!!!! But I do water fasting so I'm used to go against the accepted ideas.
>
> So my question is would such a program be compatable with a vegetarian/vegan diet
>
> I'm asking since it seems to mean a big diminution of calorie intakes which my eating habits already entails.
>
> So are there any Vegans / Vegetarians here on this group who can share their experiences?
>
> Thanks a million
>
> Guy
>

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