Wednesday, September 21, 2011

Re: [fast5] Having trouble after a year!



I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.  Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food categories - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most important factor.  If weight is not going down over a reasonable period, then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.  All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line relationship between energy balance and weight.  Of course, this shouldn't really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of physics (like perpetual motion!).  So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't translate to "as much as you want".  To put it another way, if you are both wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything you want.


Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value.  Rather it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey to temptation.  But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence a degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still weight to be  shed.  Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down bodies.  Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as I (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back.  But, even though I still have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a "feast" than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.

David
 
On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@virtualchurchill.com> wrote:
 

My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.

He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.

He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.

Thanks,
Beth




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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

I would suggest eating plenty of Fat and Meat, including eggs, with his morning meal. Don't limit quantity, so the fatty meat will satisfy for many hours. If you can wean yourself away from grains, the better.

My lunchtime First and perhaps Only meal of the day was 2 big Angus Chuck cheeseburger patties topped with romaine lettuce and tomato, onion, ketchup, mustard, NO Buns. with bowl of ice cream.

If hungry 4 or 5 hours later I'll have low carb meal for my second and final meal of the day.

Barnaby


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@...> wrote:
>
> My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
>
> He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.
>
> He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.
>
> Thanks,
> Beth
>


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Re: [fast5] Having trouble after a year!



Phil, that is fantastic advice, thanks for sharing it - I'm going to begin implementing this rule of thumb myself!

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From: Phil Voelker <mail4pvoelker@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:26:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [fast5] Having trouble after a year!

 

 
Hi Beth -
 
I have always struggled with this part, although I don't think it speaks to the process of Fast 5 itself.
 
I can only tell you that for me, it's not a matter of eating "whatever" I want, it's more of an inner understanding that "whatever I want" is different than saying I can eat "as much as I want."
 
For instance, on Fast 5 I know I can have pie if I want, but if I eat "a pie," LOL - it's still a matter of calories in vs. calories out.
 
At the end of the day, I think your husband is probably intestinally healthier because there are large stretches of time that he's not constantly digesting food, but calories that are taken in still have to be addressed, and the body will either burn them or store them.
 
I've posted this before, but a great rule of thumb, casual as it may be, came from an old weight training article I read a long time ago.  Very simply, whatever your goal weight is (not your current weight, but the weight you want to be at), multiply it by ten - and don't go over that calorie count. So, if a man's goal weight is 160 pounds, and he doesn't engage in much exercise, then he shouldn't be eating more than 1600 calories per day.  That number can change if there's strenuous exercise involved - the article suggested to add 1 to the multiplier for every hour of strenuous exercise per week, after the first one.  To explain: instead of multiplying by 10, someone who gets a solid 2 hours of strenuous exercise would multiply by 11, and with three hours of strenuous exercise, multiply by 12, and so on.
 
When I follow this simple structure, I lose fat no matter what my diet is, as long as I'm adhering to my fasting window.  The better the food choices are - like an emphasis on good proteins and vegetables, and a reduction in sugar / processed carbs, I lose faster. 
 
I hope that helps! 
 
Phil
 

From: Beth <beth@virtualchurchill.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: [fast5] Having trouble after a year!

 
My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.

He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.

He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.

Thanks,
Beth





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Hi Beth -
 
I have always struggled with this part, although I don't think it speaks to the process of Fast 5 itself.
 
I can only tell you that for me, it's not a matter of eating "whatever" I want, it's more of an inner understanding that "whatever I want" is different than saying I can eat "as much as I want."
 
For instance, on Fast 5 I know I can have pie if I want, but if I eat "a pie," LOL - it's still a matter of calories in vs. calories out.
 
At the end of the day, I think your husband is probably intestinally healthier because there are large stretches of time that he's not constantly digesting food, but calories that are taken in still have to be addressed, and the body will either burn them or store them.
 
I've posted this before, but a great rule of thumb, casual as it may be, came from an old weight training article I read a long time ago.  Very simply, whatever your goal weight is (not your current weight, but the weight you want to be at), multiply it by ten - and don't go over that calorie count. So, if a man's goal weight is 160 pounds, and he doesn't engage in much exercise, then he shouldn't be eating more than 1600 calories per day.  That number can change if there's strenuous exercise involved - the article suggested to add 1 to the multiplier for every hour of strenuous exercise per week, after the first one.  To explain: instead of multiplying by 10, someone who gets a solid 2 hours of strenuous exercise would multiply by 11, and with three hours of strenuous exercise, multiply by 12, and so on.
 
When I follow this simple structure, I lose fat no matter what my diet is, as long as I'm adhering to my fasting window.  The better the food choices are - like an emphasis on good proteins and vegetables, and a reduction in sugar / processed carbs, I lose faster. 
 
I hope that helps! 
 
Phil
 

From: Beth <beth@virtualchurchill.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: [fast5] Having trouble after a year!

 
My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.

He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.

He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.

Thanks,
Beth





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Re: [fast5] Having trouble after a year!

I'm on this for my second time around - so I'm digging in my memory banks to help here. I was on it before for over a year and lost
30 pounds of the 45 I needed to before a surgery set me back. So now I'm back. But I recall for me I would have to change my eating
habits to continue the weight loss. First it was 'yeah, i'm eating junk and not gaining weight' then it turned to 'i'm eating less
junk and losing weight' then I needed to tweak and streamline more to where I was eating very successfully and happily in about a 1.5
hour window each day and my body tolerated very little junk. I still had my sweet thing but it was nothing like before. I'm so glad
that your husband is still sticking to the plan but I think he'll need to change one thing at a time and see how it affects his weight
loss and how he feels. I would also recommend eating less carbs - more protein - nothing drastic, but I've always felt hungrier when
I eat too many carbs the day before. Hope that helps. - Karen

On Wed 09/21/11 11:06 AM , "Beth" beth@virtualchurchill.com sent:
> My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to
> lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped
> completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing.
> Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50
> pounds.
> He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year,
> that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it
> but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used
> to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he
> doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one
> of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could
> eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can
> guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.
> He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him
> I would ask you guys for any ideas.
> Thanks,
> Beth
>
>
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[fast5] Having trouble after a year!

My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.

He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.

He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.

Thanks,
Beth

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Tuesday, September 20, 2011

[fast5] Re: Day 2 A Little Tougher Than Yesterday

Nitpicking to the nearest hour will gain nothing.

Fast 5 became a good marketing slogan with 19 fasting hours allowing a slick-sounding marketing name because of the 5 hour eating window. Fast 19 would be most appropriate.

The key is that Intermittent Fasting gets most bang for the buck when being in low insulin state for around 24 to 36 hours.

Use common sense and your own experimentation.

Barnaby


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <bluechip4271@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the information. It definitely is helpful. I just wanted to clarify that the fasting period is 20 hours and not 19? If 20 hours then the eating window is only 4 hours? Also, I'm doing well with the business lunches. Japanese sashimi seems to be working ok. I just ordered some miso soup and thinly sliced yellowtail sashimi. The business lunch flowed without a hitch and no one really noticed that I was eating light. Some additional clarification on the fasting hours would be very helpful though.
> THanks,
> PM-
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Barnaby Walker" <barnabywalker@> wrote:
> >
> > I always keep in mind that the goal is to fast 20 consecutive hours in a day. Fasting is when your body goes into low Insulin levels.
> >
> > Since low insulin levels promotes fat loss, I will Cheat with Low Carb foods, if eating during the time of day when you should be fasting.
> >
> > In your example, I would skip the insulin-producing Fruit and go with the Fat and Protein in the yogurt.
> >
> > If you are that concerned with not being able to eat without cheating, try fasting for 2 or 3 days, then the 20 hour fasts will be a piece of cake.
> >
> > I like to combine 20 hour fasting periods with Low Carb if I decide to cheat by eating during what should be fasting time. If I'm going to eat carb-laden foods I restrict the to only eating during the eating period, not during hours when I should be fasting. In one of your comments you thought you had overeaten. NO, no such thing, as long as you concentrate on the importance of that 20 continuous hours of fasting. You need to eat plenty during your short eating period of every day to assure stamina for long fasting hours. Meat, Eggs and Dairy and Fat really help keep you from feeling hunger. Avoiding abundance of Grains has many benefits.
> >
> > Less than a year took my belly away and down to college weight.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Paul Martin <bluechip4271@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Heather
> > >
> > > Thanks for this response. I've been reading through the older posts looking for some more info in line with what you've presented. I'm only one week in and am happy that I have been able to keep to the program.
> > >
> > > This week however I have 2 breakfast meetings and 2 lunch meetings. I'm hoping that if I just do raw fruit ( berries or fruit parfait with plain yogurt) and big salads with and oil and vinegar dressing for lunch it won't throw my IF program off too much.
> > >
> > > Maybe the other option is to change my break fast eating window for this week but everything I've read suggests that's not a good idea.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions or advice from any veterans on this forum is greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My strategy for social lunches is to order a big salad, with vinegar and oil on the side. Lettuce has next to no calories, and a vinegar dressing is good for your blood glucose. These days no one really comments on a salad lunch ... they assume you are on a diet or you are raw vegan, and it's impolite to ask. If people do ask I can just shrug and say that's what I feel like eating right now, if I eat a big lunch it slows me down. Actually I was eating salads for lunch for many years before I discovered any kind of IF ... a big salad just makes a nice easy lunch, and I feel better if I eat lots of greens.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I came at this diet from the Warrior Diet, where raw fruits and vegies are ok during the day. Most people ended up not eating the fruits and vegies after awhile, so it ended up being pretty much the same as Fast-5 (but the philosophy on Fast-5 is nicer and more science-based, I think). Anyway, the raw fruits and vegies had about the same effect as eating nothing, but are easier to deal with in social situations.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have to deal with this kind of thing even for dinner, because I'm celiac and can't have gluten in any case. Dairy often gives me migraines. So "business meals" are really difficult (they are getting easier these days, fortunately!). The fact is, most people totally *do not care* what you are eating unless you make a deal of it. And if it is for business, it's better to steer the conversation away from yourself in any case, have people talking about themselves and what they want etc. Or your business, if you are selling something. I have to work hard to not go philosophizing about my latest research on food, microbes, etc. Otherwise I'll ruin everyone's appetite by telling them exactly why what they are eating is so lousy for them!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Paul Martin <bluechip4271@> wrote:
> > > > Hey Everyone
> > > >
> > > > Today is the second day and I could use a little encouragement. Had to walk away from a conference lunch. Temptation was too great and didn't feel like explaining myself to people I just met.
> > > >
> > > > Feeling a little hungrier than yesterday. I'm trying to do this cold turkey and it's a little tough. I have a feeling it will be hard to stay the course if I have to wait 3+ weeks before seeing any results (pounds or inches). I may give in and measure or weigh myself at the end of the week in the hopes that I will see some change and keep me motivated.
> > > >
> > > > Any encouragement, words of wisdom or advice would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Heather Twist
> > > > http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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