[fast5] Re: Breaking Plateau - Heather/ a bit OT

Hi Heather,
I agree with all of your last post here. I too lost years of myself with depression - that and pain. Took me 25-30 yrs but, I am very thankful I finally found the answer to all of it.

As far as the missionaries bringing wheat to 3rd world countries, I DO agree with you there as well. The problem is the same problem that's rampant here in America - most people, most medical and government agencies do not recognize the problem with wheat. This paradigm shift you speak of is happening, but it sure has been a long, slow one. SO nice that its FINALLY getting recognized in the medical communities now. But, like all cash crops, wheat is a big money maker and its not gonna go out without a pretty big resistance from many.

Although you and I know the damage wheat does to the human body, there's still such a large amount of people out there clueless. So, I guess we can't really place a huge blame on the missionaries for "trying" to help the poor...(Although, the pizza thing did really puzzle me;) Ignorance is definitely not bliss, but if you are still thinking your grandparents life of bread and & etc is the way to go and don't know about or understand the problems there are with wheat, you just continue to believe in your heart that you ARE helping.

On behalf of many, there is so much more going on with missionary work than just donating bad food like wheat and sending out the wrong message about snacking on junk. Our church is involved in a lot of missions work. Its not in the way of "donating food", its more like donating supplies, muscle & hard work to help them grow their own food and help build homes/shelters. When our mission teams have gone into other countries to help they don't give "treats" or anything outside the norm of that culture. You live as they live while you are there.

Our church has helped to dig several wells in areas of Africa where there were none. We have an orphanage in Romania where we donate, not only supplies & funds for supplies, but also LOTS of time, hard work and loads of love and care for the kids to give the regular workers that live there (some from our church) a much needed break. We also used to go to an orphanage in Haiti but it was destroyed. We now go there to help them rebuild their homes and care for the sick and wounded. We are also in Japan after the tsunami.

We work with an organization that helps in the fight against the sex slave trade all over the world and right here in our own country.

We had large groups go out to help the states that had the horrible devastation from all the tornados and other bad weather this past year.

We work with homeless shelters in a nearby city and have also set up a food pantry and baby closet in our own town. When we can find one, we'd like to try and move these to a larger facility, hopefully, with a kitchen where we will have free cooking classes on how to cook easy, inexpensive, healthy meals. We are planning a community garden where people can come and learn to grow their own produce, even if its just a pot of tomatoes on their back porch or a little window garden. With washers and dryers where people in need can come and clean their clothes for free.

So, yes, there are some missionaries that donate junk food like wheat and I guess there are some out there that are proud to donate "pizzas" (big sigh) but, there is SO much than that happening out there:)

Nancy

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:46 AM, <bbarndogz@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Heather Wrote:
> > >>"What floors me is that after getting lectured about how really, all you
> > need is "moderation in all things" ... they get diabetes or cancer or
> > whatever, and then it's just "it's just bad genes ... it runs in the
> > family"...<<
> >
> > We, as a nation, have gotten SO far away from real nourishment that many
> > people aren't really sure what to believe any more. Our gov has allowed way
> > too much garbage to go on with our food sources. Now, a large majority is
> > sick, out of shape and over weight. Many are desperate to get healthy so
> > they turn to our government agencies for guidelines....the same agencies
> > that have strong ties to many of the big, highly processed food
> > corporations and big pharma.
> >
>
> I think the big food conglomerations are for sure a huge problem. But there
> is another issue too: way back in the early 1900's, there was a huge
> concern about the bad health of "modern people". And even some
> not-so-modern people. The Swiss, at that point, had a goiter rate of some
> 30% of the population. Back in the 1900's, you had a lot of people
> experimenting with foods to try to figure out what was going on, much like
> we are experimenting now. Part of that experimenting, they discovered what
> vitamins are, how iodine and minerals are needed, and how to get rid of
> diseases like polio. Health in my Mom's day was a really different thing.
> Her dad got polio, and so did many people she knows. Now no one does,
> practically. Smallpox either. Or goiter.
>
> THAT kind of turnaround is why people got to trusting "the government". But
> the problem is that NO ONE ... in the government, the medical community, or
> the internet community ... has a consensus on how a human being should eat.
> The companies have dropped into the gap to fill a need and make a profit,
> and yes, sway the government agencies. They couldn't do that though, if
> anyone actually agreed on what people should eat. And at this point, if the
> government actually had some secret knowledge that, say, eating 5 eggs a
> day or running a mile a day would prevent cancer, most people wouldn't do
> it anyway. People will change when there is a paradigm shift and "everyone
> else" is doing the same thing. I think we are in the middle of that
> paradigm shift. Which is kind of exciting, actually.
>
>
> > I agree about other parts of the world having GREAT food. My husband has
> > traveled around the world on several occasions, often times going into many
> > 3rd world countries. He has eaten some strange things during those times.
> > Last summer he went on a missions trip for the first time. A group from our
> > church traveled to the southern part of Mexico to help build a small
> > medical/community/church facility. They traveled WAY high up into the
> > mountains where the people are pretty much a forgotten people. He said
> > they eat some VERY different and strange food, but it was ALL local &
> > fresh. Nothing processed. Very different culture. Loving, kind, peaceful
> > and VERY hard working. He said they always had smiles on their faces and
> > seemd so happy. I'm sure they do on occasion but, he said he saw no
> > complaining, arguing or fighting, even among the kids, including the teens
> > the whole time he was there. Never even saw a baby or toddler whine or cry.
> > The elderly helped with meals, helped care for the kids and played with
> > them A LOT. All the kids pitched in to help with whatever needed to be
> > done and when the older kids that went to school came home they always
> > helped care for the little ones...without being told to. They were eager to
> > help. They are EXTREMELY poor but, in some ways, they're a little
> > "richer" than we are here in America.
> >
>
> This "happy contentment" is something that travellers have noted since
> Europeans started travelling. They actually thought the people's they were
> visiting must be "childlike" because how could an adult intelligent human
> be "happy"? Angst is the norm in Europe and America, even in small
> communities.
>
> My own theory is that the difference is in wheat ... wheat gliadin and WGA
> change brain function, and maybe make the amyglia more active. It does
> major changes when they give some kids an MRI before and after eating
> wheat. Anyway, in my family, everyone got calm after we dropped wheat, even
> with no other dietary changes. And I "lost" some 30 years of major
> depression, which has stayed gone for 10 years. Except when I eat wheat.
> I've heard the same change over and over in the GF groups.
>
> If this is true, it is an important thing for missionaries to remember! One
> of the things that missionaries bring to remote areas is the idea of things
> like pizza. One missionary I have talked to, was so proud that she was able
> to ship in flour to make pizzas and have pizza parties. The missionaries
> also bring in stuff like snack foods, and get the locals in the habit of
> "snacking", which is rather not a usual habit for most of the world. Food
> aid people need to think about it too ... one group brought in "wheat
> berries" ... good, nutritious, whole wheat! ... and made about a third of
> the children malnourished, because it set them up for dysbiosis. Their
> local millet, high in phytates and all ... worked fine for them for
> centuries.
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for your post, Heather. It was a great one. Thanks for the recipes
> > you posted from Youtube too. I'm going to give them a try. They look pretty
> > yummy:) I'm looking forward to giving Fast 5 a try. I'm hoping to give my
> > gut a chance to do more healing and only having to worry about 1 meal a day
> > sounds a heck of a lot easier than trying to get in several small ones
> > throughout the day.
> >
> Nancy
> >
>
>
> Thanks! YouTube is marvelous for learning to make yummy food. Our meals are
> way tastier these days, with only one "real" meal to make. My husband and
> daughter do snack some, but they are expected to find what they want, and
> most of what we have around is healthy enough.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Breaking Plateau - Heather

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:46 AM, <bbarndogz@aol.com> wrote:

Heather Wrote:

>>"What floors me is that after getting lectured about how really, all you
need is "moderation in all things" ... they get diabetes or cancer or
whatever, and then it's just "it's just bad genes ... it runs in the
family"...<<

 

We, as a nation, have gotten SO far away from real nourishment that many people aren't really sure what to believe any more. Our gov has allowed way too much garbage to go on with our food sources. Now, a large majority is sick, out of shape and over weight. Many are desperate to get healthy so they turn to our government agencies for guidelines....the same agencies that have strong ties to many of the big, highly processed food corporations and big pharma.

I think the big food conglomerations are for sure a huge problem. But there is another issue too: way back in the early 1900's, there was a huge concern about the bad health of "modern people". And even some not-so-modern people. The Swiss, at that point, had a goiter rate of some 30% of the population. Back in the 1900's, you had a lot of people experimenting with foods to try to figure out what was going on, much like we are experimenting now. Part of that experimenting, they discovered what vitamins are, how iodine and minerals are needed, and how to get rid of diseases like polio. Health in my Mom's day was a really different thing. Her dad got polio, and so did many people she knows. Now no one does, practically. Smallpox either. Or goiter.

THAT kind of turnaround is why people got to trusting "the government". But the problem is that NO ONE ... in the government, the medical community, or the internet community ... has a consensus on how a human being should eat. The companies have dropped into the gap to fill a need and make a profit, and yes, sway the government agencies. They couldn't do that though, if anyone actually agreed on what people should eat. And at this point, if the government actually had some secret knowledge that, say, eating 5 eggs a day or running a mile a day would prevent cancer, most people wouldn't do it anyway. People will change when there is a paradigm shift and "everyone else" is doing the same thing. I think we are in the middle of that paradigm shift. Which is kind of exciting, actually.

 

I agree about other parts of the world having GREAT food. My husband has traveled around the world on several occasions, often times going into many 3rd world countries. He has eaten some strange things during those times. Last summer he went on a missions trip for the first time. A group from our church traveled to the southern part of Mexico to help build a small medical/community/church facility. They traveled WAY high up into the mountains where the people are pretty much a forgotten people. He said they eat some VERY different and strange food, but it was ALL local & fresh. Nothing processed. Very different culture. Loving, kind, peaceful and VERY hard working. He said they always had smiles on their faces and seemd so happy. I'm sure they do on occasion but, he said he saw no complaining, arguing or fighting, even among the kids, including the teens the whole time he was there. Never even saw a baby or toddler whine or cry. The elderly helped with meals, helped care for the kids and played with them A LOT.  All the kids pitched in to help with whatever needed to be done and when the older kids that went to school came home they always helped care for the little ones...without being told to. They were eager to help. They are EXTREMELY poor but, in some ways, they're a little "richer" than we are here in America.

This "happy contentment" is something that travellers have noted since Europeans started travelling. They actually thought the people's they were visiting must be "childlike" because how could an adult intelligent human be "happy"? Angst is the norm in Europe and America, even in small communities.

My own theory is that the difference is in wheat ... wheat gliadin and WGA change brain function, and maybe make the amyglia more active. It does major changes when they give some kids an MRI before and after eating wheat. Anyway, in my family, everyone got calm after we dropped wheat, even with no other dietary changes. And I "lost" some 30 years of major depression, which has stayed gone for 10 years. Except when I eat wheat. I've heard the same change over and over in the GF groups.

If this is true, it is an important thing for missionaries to remember! One of the things that missionaries bring to remote areas is the idea of things like pizza. One missionary I have talked to, was so proud that she was able to ship in flour to make pizzas and have pizza parties. The missionaries also bring in stuff like snack foods, and get the locals in the habit of "snacking", which is rather not a usual habit for most of the world. Food aid people need to think about it too ... one group brought in "wheat berries" ... good, nutritious, whole wheat! ... and made about a third of the children malnourished, because it set them up for dysbiosis. Their local millet, high in phytates and all ... worked fine for them for centuries.

 

 

Thanks for your post, Heather. It was a great one. Thanks for the recipes you posted from Youtube too. I'm going to give them a try. They look pretty yummy:) I'm looking forward to giving Fast 5 a try. I'm hoping to give my gut a chance to do more healing and only having to worry about 1 meal a day sounds a heck of a lot easier than trying to get in several small ones throughout the day.    

Nancy

Thanks! YouTube is marvelous for learning to make yummy food. Our meals are way tastier these days, with only one "real" meal to make. My husband and daughter do snack some, but they are expected to find what they want, and most of what we have around is healthy enough.

 

  

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[fast5] Re: Breaking Plateau - Heather

Heather Wrote:

>>"What floors me is that after getting lectured about how really, all you
need is "moderation in all things" ... they get diabetes or cancer or
whatever, and then it's just "it's just bad genes ... it runs in the
family"...<<

 

We, as a nation, have gotten SO far away from real nourishment that many people aren't really sure what to believe any more. Our gov has allowed way too much garbage to go on with our food sources. Now, a large majority is sick, out of shape and over weight. Many are desperate to get healthy so they turn to our government agencies for guidelines....the same agencies that have strong ties to many of the big, highly processed food corporations and big pharma.

 

I agree about other parts of the world having GREAT food. My husband has traveled around the world on several occasions, often times going into many 3rd world countries. He has eaten some strange things during those times. Last summer he went on a missions trip for the first time. A group from our church traveled to the southern part of Mexico to help build a small medical/community/church facility. They traveled WAY high up into the mountains where the people are pretty much a forgotten people. He said they eat some VERY different and strange food, but it was ALL local & fresh. Nothing processed. Very different culture. Loving, kind, peaceful and VERY hard working. He said they always had smiles on their faces and seemd so happy. I'm sure they do on occasion but, he said he saw no complaining, arguing or fighting, even among the kids, including the teens the whole time he was there. Never even saw a baby or toddler whine or cry. The elderly helped with meals, helped care for the kids and played with them A LOT.  All the kids pitched in to help with whatever needed to be done and when the older kids that went to school came home they always helped care for the little ones...without being told to. They were eager to help. They are EXTREMELY poor but, in some ways, they're a little "richer" than we are here in America.

 

Thanks for your post, Heather. It was a great one. Thanks for the recipes you posted from Youtube too. I'm going to give them a try. They look pretty yummy:) I'm looking forward to giving Fast 5 a try. I'm hoping to give my gut a chance to do more healing and only having to worry about 1 meal a day sounds a heck of a lot easier than trying to get in several small ones throughout the day.   

Nancy

 

 

> Wow, isn't the difference in cultures amazing? Most Americans
> would think the average Asian breakfast is gross or too different.... and
> tea for a "snack"?! Think of the possibilities if every family in the US
> changed the way they eat.
>

This is something I think everyone should pay attention to: there are a LOT
of people that don't live in America, Europe, or Australia. And all those
billions of people ... most of them have GREAT food! One of the major
differences in cuisine, is that for most of them, the pay a lot of
attention to flavor, and use very interesting spices. Your average SAD meal
is just salty, sugary, or oily. Asian cuisine (for an example) has salt,
sugar and oil also, but the oil might be a nice chili oil or sesame oil for
flavor, and it might have lemon grass or three kinds of chilis or boiled
peanuts or fresh lime juice (or kaffir lime leaves) or miso paste or boiled
kelp for flavor.

Anyway, I've been kind of working my way through Thai and Japanese cooking,
learning one recipe at a time. What I find is that having all that
*flavor*, the meal becomes something to savor. I probably learned to wolf
down my food while I was trying to finish eating in the 5-10 minutes I had
in the school cafeteria, or late to school ... but most of the food was so
insipid that maybe that was the best way to ingest it: without tasting.

When we actually started working at cooking GOOD food, the family kind of
refused to eat out at most places ... even when we could get GF food. The
family complained that it tasted rancid or like chemicals. Store-bought
meat too, esp. hamburger. Now that they are publicizing just how commercial
hamburger is made, it makes sense that it would taste bad.

But here is the deal: to all of you doing Fast-5 ... you only have to make
ONE meal. So it can be awesome.

Here is what I want to try today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=904dG5l5AB8&feature=feedf

It's a bit more work, but I'm working toward something like General Tso's
chicken.

Below is about what I did yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=8z0fuAa87Yw

So that recipe takes all of 5 minutes to make, but it is delicious! It's
not actually Asian, although it is similar to a lot of the Asian recipes.
The main ingredient is honey ... the "watery" part can be any liquid.
Yesterday I used orange juice, but you could use BBQ sauce if you want that
kind of flavor instead, or 5-spice or Szechwan.

Heather Twist

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Re: [fast5] Re: Breaking Plateau- Heather

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM, <bbarndogz@aol.com> wrote:

FIL just diagnosed with diabetes, has to have 2 hip replacments soon. NO fat on his bones at all. Someone finally thought to check his vit D levels, they were *5*!

What floors me is that after getting lectured about how really, all you need is "moderation in all things" ... they get diabetes or cancer or whatever, and then it's just "it's just bad genes ... it runs in the family". 

...

   

Wow, isn't the difference in cultures amazing? Most Americans would think the average Asian breakfast is gross or too different.... and tea for a "snack"?! Think of the possibilities if every family in the US changed the way they eat.

This is something I think everyone should pay attention to: there are a LOT of people that don't live in America, Europe, or Australia. And all those billions of people ... most of them have GREAT food! One of the major differences in cuisine, is that for most of them, the pay a lot of attention to flavor, and use very interesting spices. Your average SAD meal is just salty, sugary, or oily. Asian cuisine (for an example) has salt, sugar and oil also, but the oil might be a nice chili oil or sesame oil for flavor, and it might have lemon grass or three kinds of chilis or boiled peanuts or fresh lime juice (or kaffir lime leaves) or miso paste or boiled kelp for flavor. 

Anyway, I've been kind of working my way through Thai and Japanese cooking, learning one recipe at a time. What I find is that having all that *flavor*, the meal becomes something to savor. I probably learned to wolf down my food while I was trying to finish eating in the 5-10 minutes I had in the school cafeteria, or late to school ... but most of the food was so insipid that maybe that was the best way to ingest it: without tasting. 

When we actually started working at cooking GOOD food, the family kind of refused to eat out at most places ... even when we could get GF food. The family complained that it tasted rancid or like chemicals. Store-bought meat too, esp. hamburger. Now that they are publicizing just how commercial hamburger is made, it makes sense that it would taste bad.

But here is the deal: to all of you doing Fast-5 ... you only have to make ONE meal. So it can be awesome.

Here is what I want to try today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=904dG5l5AB8&feature=feedf

It's a bit more work, but I'm working toward something like General Tso's chicken.

Below is about what I did yesterday: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=8z0fuAa87Yw

So that recipe takes all of 5 minutes to make, but it is delicious! It's not actually Asian, although it is similar to a lot of the Asian recipes. The main ingredient is honey ... the "watery" part can be any liquid. Yesterday I used orange juice, but you could use BBQ sauce if you want that kind of flavor instead, or 5-spice or Szechwan.

 

Heather Twist
http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
 
 

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[fast5] Re: Breaking Plateau- Heather

Heather wrote: >>"I haven't read the Wheat Belly book, but I think he's done a great job
of making the whole wheat thing be easier for people to understand
(and funny!). Most of the books to date are pretty dry and scientific."<<

 

Yes, *funny* always helps with just about everything imho:) but, especially when reading about health stuff...it's REALLY interesting but, at times, it can be send me right to the snore shelf;) I like that the book is also getting the word out there more into mainstream.

>>"I was fortunate enough to change my diet while my thyroid still worked,
but some of the rest of my family wasn't so fortunate, and they are on meds.
And I'm still getting people telling me how it's all in my head and I'm
just being difficult. Sigh. My kids are on track though, and my daughter
particularly is happy that she doesn't have the "issues" her classmates
have."<<

 

Wish I could have known to change my diet. But I guess shoulda coulda woulda doesn't get ya anywhere. I still get the "all in your head & difficult" thing a lot also. My step-son (now 27) and his wife think I'm nuts for all my "redicuolus" ideas about food & nourishment - DIL even thinks me raising a lot of our own meat & eggs & growing/buying organic/local produce is silly. So sorry for our future grandkids. (sigh) Both sets of in-laws think I'm nuts too. All 4 swear by the SAD - chemical, fake sugar and all. FIL just diagnosed with diabetes, has to have 2 hip replacments soon. NO fat on his bones at all. Someone finally thought to check his vit D levels, they were *5*! However, our 2 dd's are on track pretty good also. My oldest dd (GI/GF) was out to dinner with her BF's parents the other night. It happen to come up that we drink raw milk (I only drink/eat it fermented). The Dad told her you can get very sick & possibly die from that and kept ranting about how crazy she is for drinking it. Although he kept trying, she said she wasn't about to get into a contest with the him over raw milk so she just politely said "Well, I've been drinking it for the last 5 yrs so I'll let ya know how it goes!:)" (love that kid) This, coming from a guy that has chronic kidney stones, allergies to lactose, is overweight and all 3 of his kids are allergic to lactose, have lots of digestive issues like chronic IBS &/or constipation...Sounds like they all have the symptoms of GI/Celiac BIG time but none of them seem to realize it.    

 

>>"My daughter, BTW, has grown up with a mostly Fast-5 kind of life,
mainly because I gave up trying to make everyone "have a healthy
breakfast". She eats very little, compared to her classmates, and
doesn't have the need to constantly snack. She is exceedingly healthy
and athletic. So I don't think parents really need to force kids to
constantly eat ... smaller kids do need to eat more often, esp. babies, but most of
the reason I got into eating constantly is that my Mom was constantly
feeding me. "You need to eat something!" mantra, and always we got a huge
breakfast before school. Quite possibly the starchy, sugary foods we did
have for breakfast set us up for a huge starchy lunch, and then a huge
starchy dinner. And the main starch was wheat, of course! Your average Asian breakfast
would be a little white rice and broiled fish, or miso soup. And the main
"snack" was traditionally, cups of tea while you study."<<

 

Your daughter sounds like she knows how lucky she is to have had a smart Mom as a guide for nutrition:) Our 2 dd's are very athletic & healthy also. They see the way thier friends eat and also see the health issues they/thier families have and I think they're grateful for knowing there are healthier ways of eating. I gave up the whole "everyone needs a healthy breakfast" too! I make dinner every night so this Fast 5 lifestyle sounds like it won't be too difficult for me to incorporate. I think you are right about trying to force food on kids. My parents were the same way. "You need to eat something" & lots of starches at meals.

 

Wow, isn't the difference in cultures amazing? Most Americans would think the average Asian breakfast is gross or too different.... and tea for a "snack"?! Think of the possibilities if every family in the US changed the way they eat.

 

 

Nancy

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Re: [fast5] Re: Complete newbie here with a few questions about Fast-5 v EatStopEat

I knew someone who got major IBS from salad ... his issue appears to have been clostridium, from after a surgery he had (it's common after surgeries, because of the antibiotics). Anyway, what solved it for him was taking a bit of bentonite (1/4 tsp) three times a week. Konjac powder works very well for this too. The konjac will cause gas the first week or two, but it stabilizes gut bacteria nicely. I take 1/4 tsp (mixed with psyllium, to make it dissolve better) in water, once a day. If there is some kind of other digestive issue, I take 1/4 tsp. of bentonite with water. It's good to have fiber with bentonite too, in that it can cause constipation for some people.

Fast-5 helps the gut, I think, because it gives the gut time to do "house cleaning" between meals. Having 30-feet of intestine ALWAYS full of food, there is no respite. It's working full time, all the time. Like doing pushups all day long.

I don't think they know what triggers migraine, but it does appear to be linked somehow to calcium/magnesium ions in the brain. Sometimes taking extra calcium and magnesium helps people in the long run (takes weeks though).

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:55 AM, pinkpuffin00 <janmickleburgh@btinternet.com> wrote:

Wow! Thankyou for all your replies.....REALLY APPRECIATED!!

I can't see all your comments here, but I have just read them individually and they are all really interesting.

I have had M.E. and severe migraines now for 18 years in total so have tried many of things you mention, including special health-diets exluding wheat, dairy, sugar etc...they didn't make one bit of difference to me. I seem to be the exception to the rule!!!! LOL

Also, my IBS appears to be aggrevated by vegetables, particularly salads. Have taken digestive enzymes etc but they make no difference. Now I am way too ill to do any special diets!! I seem to react to all the foods that other people say are good! I do have my niggles about dairy though, although when I gave it up for 8 months once, my health continued to get worse.

Someone mentioned coconut oil to help speed the metabolism. I did try that several years ago for other reasons and it didn't help with anything. After all these years of being so ill, I have come to realise that every single person is different in the way they react to things and things that may or may not help them. I also think stress is a huge factor, and I am about as stressed as I could possibly be for lots of various reasons...but there is nothing I can do about this.

If you pardon the pun....I just have a gut-feeling that something like EatStopEat or Fast-5 would help me. In what way, I don't know really, but I think it is worth it to give it shot. I am just recovering from a migraine so have just completed my 7th 24 hour fast.  I find the fasts are ok, but harder on days when I feel better. Most of those 7 fasts were on days when I felt dreadful, so it wasn't so hard to cope with!! ha ha.

One of the bizarre reasons that I feel IF may help me is that many years ago I discovered that if I eat or drunk anything after about 7pm, then I was almost always migrainy the following day! Nobody ever believes me on this, and the neurologist looked at me like I was a raving idiot when I told him this. I test the theory every so often, and I have found that I can get away with a cup of tea with milk in the evening, but that any food, no matter what it is, makes me really migrainy the following day. Even taking supplement capsules or drugs from the dr late at night can have the same effect! I think my digestion just packs up early and refuses to operate all night! An alterntive therapist once did a hair analysis test on a piece of hair that I had cut during a migraine. She didn't know when I had cut it, and was gobsmacked that her tests reveiled that my digestion just wasn't working during the time that I had cut the hair ie. during a migraine. All very interesting stuff!

Anyway, I won't babble on any longer, but any comments would be very welcome.

PS. I have been looking into metabolism/circulation lately and have just started taking Cayenne Pepper today, in the hope that it may help with my obvious circulation problems. When I began to really research the subject, I found that just about all my symptoms could be caused by poor circulation!

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "beth_orsi" <emocpa@...> wrote:
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> I agree Heather!  Fast 5 works for me because it's a daily habit.  A while back I tried fasting once a week for 24 hours and it worked for a while, but after a while I ended up talking myself out of my fast day for a variety of reasons.  and then just stopped altogether.  The other problem I had was that at the time I was eating the SAD, (Standard American Diet) and I had severe withdrawal..  it was like I had the flu on my fast days and would just have to sleep most of the day to get through it.  Before I started fast 5, I had been low carb for a long while and gluten free for 4 months.  So I had zero withdrawal symptoms when I started fasting again.  That's something to consider if you find you have a real hard time fasting in the beginning.  Wheat especially has a nasty withdrawal.  Read Wheat Belly by Dr. Davis.
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> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
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Re: [fast5] Re: Breaking plateau

I haven't read the Wheat Belly book, but I think he's done a great job

of making the whole wheat thing be easier for people to understand

(and funny!). Most of the books to date are pretty dry and scientific.

I was fortunate enough to change my diet while my thyroid still worked,

but some of the rest of my family wasn't so fortunate, and they are on meds.
And I'm still getting people telling me how it's all in my head and I'm

just being difficult. Sigh. My kids are on track though, and my daughter

particularly is happy that she doesn't have the "issues" her classmates

have.

My daughter, BTW, has grown up with a mostly Fast-5 kind of life,

mainly because I gave up trying to make everyone "have a healthy

breakfast". She eats very little, compared to her classmates, and

doesn't have the need to constantly snack. She is exceedingly healthy

and athletic. So I don't think parents really need to force kids to constantly

eat ... smaller kids do need to eat more often, esp. babies, but most of

the reason I got into eating constantly is that my Mom was constantly

feeding me. "You need to eat something!" mantra, and always we got a huge

breakfast before school. Quite possibly the starchy, sugary foods we did

have for breakfast set us up for a huge starchy lunch, and then a huge starchy

dinner. 

And the main starch was wheat, of course! Your average Asian breakfast

would be a little white rice and broiled fish, or miso soup. And the main

"snack" was traditionally, cups of tea while you study.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:06 AM, <bbarndogz@aol.com> wrote:

Thanks for your response Heather. Your story sounds similar to mine
except I ended up with a severe case of Hashi's on top of all that. I
broke my neck, was paralyzed from the neck down (blessed with a full
recovery) in an accident when I was 18 & always thought that's where
the thyroid problems came from. Went to numerous doctors over the years
with symptoms (thyroid and gluten intolerance symptoms obvious to me
now) and they would either tell me its all in my head, I was just being
lazy, give me pain & other various meds, or they'd try and put me on
antidepressants- all of which I refused. I have learned so much about
my own body over the years. I will be 52 in Jan. Its been a long hard
journey but I'm grateful things are finally falling into place. The
human body is an amazing work of art. Too bad it takes years of study
on our part to learn how to care for it these days.

Thank you to the other person that responded to me also. I saw the book
Wheat Belly at the book store. The name sorta cracks me up. So true!
There's even a chapter in it called...somethin' somethin'..."and Man
Boobs". That cracked me up too:-) I've read a lot about the effects of
gluten and processed foods, "Wheat Belly" looks like a great one. I
will probably try and get it from the library. If I like it a lot it
will be one that I buy. I've got a pretty large collection of books, a
big section is all on true nutrition and health that I'm collecting for
my daughters. They have already learned a ton from me and their own
research but I want to leave them a lot of good references for when the
day comes that I am no longer around:-)

Nancy




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