Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

The Red Cross blood donation truck will be in town in a few days and it
has been on my calendar to be there and give blood.

What does turmeric do with regard to ferritin.? And yes, will get that
test.

No will not cut out meat and add grains. Have tried that
numerous times and variations. Definitely does not work for me all
kinds of bad things happen to me on that kind of diet..even small
amount of non gluten soaked and or sprouted grains over a few weeks or
months cause arthritis, tendonitis, hunger.....nope not going there
again.

there probably are many other factors, such as chemicals in our
water supply and lots of other things that throw off our hormonal
balance. But lowering carb intake certainly helps me and many others.
Which is not to say that there aren't some that would be helped by
you ideas. I just haven't met anyone like that.

Ellen

On 8/31/09, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not Bert either, but I have been looking into this some.
>
> There is some relationship between a diet high in meat
> and T2 diabetes. Heresy, I know!
>
> The relationship, though, seems to have to do with ferritin
> levels. Pork, chicken, and fish don't raise ferritin levels.
> Beef does, esp. in diets that aren't high in phytates or
> turmeric. And it becomes a problem mainly after menopause,
> for women.
>
> There is a huge link between high ferritin levels and T2.
> Donating blood lowers insulin resistance. Of course the
> blood bank won't accept blood if you actually are sick
> (or for a number of other reasons). Which puts people
> in a bind: ferritin levels don't have to be out of bounds
> for this to be a problem.
>
> If you want to experiment with this, you can cut out
> red meat and esp. organ meats from your diet, eat
> more whole grains (GF oatmeal?), take turmeric caps.
> And or get a ferritin/TIBC test.
>
> But my basic take is that "carbs" are not at the root
> of the diabetes problem. The US is one of the few countries
> where ferritin levels are HIGH (anemia is the problem in
> most countries). Japanese eat a LOT of simple carbs ...
> rice ... but most of their protein comes from fish.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time.  I loved it.  Felt
>> more energy,  more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
>> at the rate of 2 pounds a  week.  And it fit easily into my life.  I
>> simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
>> whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.
>>
>> It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
>> greatly my already low CRP
>>
>>
>> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
>> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
>> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half).  I tried Dr.
>> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again,  got even more
>> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
>> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
>> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
>> carb.  But if you  think about the arbitrary way they assign that
>> diagnosis it is rather silly.  Either you have some inability to
>> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't.  IMO it is like being a little
>> bit pregnant!
>>
>> Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues  a number of
>> times here.   I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
>> was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence.  What was the
>> relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.
>>
>>  My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
>> irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
>> mood and energy swings.  For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
>> probably insulin resistant.  I had the signs: a new pattern of
>> overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it .  I
>> did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL  I probably had
>> high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
>> circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
>> time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
>> higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my  problem
>> .  And this is a good thing.
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

I'm not Bert either, but I have been looking into this some.

There is some relationship between a diet high in meat
and T2 diabetes. Heresy, I know!

The relationship, though, seems to have to do with ferritin
levels. Pork, chicken, and fish don't raise ferritin levels.
Beef does, esp. in diets that aren't high in phytates or
turmeric. And it becomes a problem mainly after menopause,
for women.

There is a huge link between high ferritin levels and T2.
Donating blood lowers insulin resistance. Of course the
blood bank won't accept blood if you actually are sick
(or for a number of other reasons). Which puts people
in a bind: ferritin levels don't have to be out of bounds
for this to be a problem.

If you want to experiment with this, you can cut out
red meat and esp. organ meats from your diet, eat
more whole grains (GF oatmeal?), take turmeric caps.
And or get a ferritin/TIBC test.

But my basic take is that "carbs" are not at the root
of the diabetes problem. The US is one of the few countries
where ferritin levels are HIGH (anemia is the problem in
most countries). Japanese eat a LOT of simple carbs ...
rice ... but most of their protein comes from fish.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
> Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time.  I loved it.  Felt
> more energy,  more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
> at the rate of 2 pounds a  week.  And it fit easily into my life.  I
> simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
> whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.
>
> It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
> greatly my already low CRP
>
>
> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half).  I tried Dr.
> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again,  got even more
> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
> carb.  But if you  think about the arbitrary way they assign that
> diagnosis it is rather silly.  Either you have some inability to
> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't.  IMO it is like being a little
> bit pregnant!
>
> Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues  a number of
> times here.   I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
> was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence.  What was the
> relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.
>
>  My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
> irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
> mood and energy swings.  For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
> probably insulin resistant.  I had the signs: a new pattern of
> overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it .  I
> did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL  I probably had
> high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
> circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
> time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
> higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my  problem
> .  And this is a good thing.
>
> Ellen
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Thank you for all that information Deanna. I will read it.

In Primal Body - Primal Mind Nora Gedgaudas does say to be careful
about eating too much meat for just that reason.

Ellen

On 8/31/09, WAPFBaby@salvonix.com <WAPFbaby@salvonix.com> wrote:
> Hi Ellen,
>
> I am not Bert, nor do I have much in the way of opinion about your
> theory. However, I do know of a man following an all meat diet, on a
> once a day feeding schedule, whose FBG has risen over the course of the
> 4 years on this plan to a very steady 99, and he now has an HbAIC of 6%.
>
> There has been an exchange about this on the panu blog in the Q & A
> section: http://www.paleonu.com/
>
> The exchange, mingled with other comments, has been reproduced, along
> with some other preliminary tidbits over at this blog:
> http://www.carnivorehealth.com/main/2009/8/22/a-high-fat-diet-like-really-high-fat.html
>
> You will need to scroll some to read the exchange, but all of the
> information is fascinating, if you ask me.
>
> In a nutshell, it seems that it is an excess of protein that is
> suspected to be the problem, perhaps with some long established insulin
> resistance. It may be that those of us eating a low carb diet may need
> to watch our protein content, especially as we age.
>
> BTW, I am coming back to this group from a hiatus. I find that Fast-5
> is a better system for me to maintain a healthy weight and feel great
> than anything else I have tried, and I am happy to be living this way
> again. I look forward to sharing more in the future.
>
> Deanna
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@...> wrote:
> ...
> >
> > But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
> > than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
> > above 100 since that time ( a year and a half). I tried Dr.
> > Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again, got even more
> > strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
> > But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
> > diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
> > carb. But if you think about the arbitrary way they assign that
> > diagnosis it is rather silly. Either you have some inability to
> > metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't. IMO it is like being a little
> > bit pregnant!
>

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[fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Hi Ellen,

I am not Bert, nor do I have much in the way of opinion about your theory.  However, I do know of a man following an all meat diet, on a once a day feeding schedule, whose FBG has risen over the course of the 4 years on this plan to a very steady 99, and he now has an HbAIC of 6%.

There has been an exchange about this on the panu blog in the Q & A section:  http://www.paleonu.com/

The exchange, mingled with other comments, has been reproduced, along with some other preliminary tidbits over at this blog:
http://www.carnivorehealth.com/main/2009/8/22/a-high-fat-diet-like-really-high-fat.html

You will need to scroll some to read the exchange, but all of the information is fascinating, if you ask me.

In a nutshell, it seems that it is an excess of protein that is suspected to be the problem, perhaps with some long established insulin resistance.  It may be that those of us eating a low carb diet may need to watch our protein content, especially as we age.

BTW, I am coming back to this group from a hiatus.  I find that Fast-5 is a better system for me to maintain a healthy weight and feel great than anything else I have tried, and I am happy to be living this way again.  I look forward to sharing more in the future.

Deanna

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@...> wrote:
...
>
> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half).  I tried Dr.
> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again,  got even more
> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
> carb.  But if you  think about the arbitrary way they assign that
> diagnosis it is rather silly.  Either you have some inability to
> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't.  IMO it is like being a little
> bit pregnant!

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[fast5] My report after eight months (good news)

Hi all FF'ers,

It is the last day of August, 2009. I have been living in my new eating lifestyle now since January 1st of this year. My rough estimation puts that at approximately 242 days.

Looking back, I am satisfied that I was pretty dedicated with only a few (what I consider) bad days of over eating.

Today, I stepped upon the same scale that I have been using since I began monitoring my weight back in January. I sometimes wonder about its accuracy because the scale was obtained at either a second hand store or a yard sale somewhere. Even though it appears to be a good quality "medical office looking" type of scale, accuracy in weight is not important because it is the "change in weight" I am more interested in than the actual reading itself. So, accurate or not, the difference in weight should still be usable; thus, according to the dial, I have lost a total of 90 pounds since the start of this year (8 months). That is an average of 11.25 pounds per month.

The other observation I would like to share with you nice readers of this forum is that I am starting to get "comments" from people who have not seen me in a while. I will admit that these comments are extremely encouraging for me (the fat and ugly kid hiding now for 45 years). I would like to share a few of these events with you now…

Event 1: A neighbor I have not seen for a few months stopped over. He stepped out of his truck and looked at me from about 20 feet away. His eyes went wide and mouth dropped open. He said, "Buddy… you're fading… if I would have known you had it so rough I would have brought you some food!"

Event 2: My mother is 85 years old. She has been a critic of my weight since she started feeding me when I was an infant. She saw me recently after a few months (we are not that close) and a few days later phoned me and said; "Wow, if you lose any more weight you'll almost be handsome". Needless to say, I don't spend too much money on Mother's day. I still took her comment as a compliment because I know how hard it was for her to give it.

Event 3: My wife wanted Chinese food on Friday so we stopped into a restaurant that we do not frequent very often anymore (probably since I started FF'ing). The bimbo waitress that took the take-out order (with absolutely no class or manners) almost shouted for the whole restaurant to hear; "WOW – WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE? HOW MUCH WEIGHT DID YOU LOSE? ARE YOU OK?" I didn't know whether to crap my pants or run out of the restaurant. Every customer at every table was now staring at me. I just smiled, pushed thoughts of murder out of my mind, and mumbled something about not eating at Chinese restaurants so often. My wife placed an order to take out and we left to get some groceries (while the food was being prepared). Later, I dropped my wife off at the restaurant to pick up the order that was now ready. When my wife came back to the car, she said that the waitress (with the other waitresses hanging around listening) starting asking my wife questions about my weight loss. My wife did the best to explain to her what I was doing to accomplish my goal. Personally, I'm not sure I need another episode like that experience to let me know I have lost a few pounds but it definitely confirmed with me that I am making progress.

So there you have it; my 8 month status report. There is a lot that I could add to this report of my observations and struggles along my journey. One observation that I will add is that I am finding it becoming very easy to eat as I do, dedicatedly. On Saturday, my wife's daughter (21) and a few of her friends camped out here on our acreage and partied around a campfire (drinking like sailors) until about 6 AM. I found them very entertaining (I don't drink these days to help me lose weight) but could only keep up with them until about 2 AM. All throughout the night, bags of potato chips and snacks, etc. were being passed around and I had very little problem saying no. I do not want to mess up now after journeying down this new road for 8 months.

Keep Fasting everyone!

Rob

Ps. Yesterday, I ate a grilled sirloin steak followed by half a coconut cream pie with 3 scoops of ice cream. Life is good!

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[fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time. I loved it. Felt
more energy, more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
at the rate of 2 pounds a week. And it fit easily into my life. I
simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.

It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
greatly my already low CRP

But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
above 100 since that time ( a year and a half). I tried Dr.
Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again, got even more
strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
carb. But if you think about the arbitrary way they assign that
diagnosis it is rather silly. Either you have some inability to
metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't. IMO it is like being a little
bit pregnant!

Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues a number of
times here. I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence. What was the
relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.

My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
mood and energy swings. For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
probably insulin resistant. I had the signs: a new pattern of
overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it . I
did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL I probably had
high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my problem
. And this is a good thing.

Ellen

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RE: [fast5] Binge Eating HELP!

Esther - I was like this, too.

Heather's suggestion is a good one in that it will get you started off on
the right eating foot.

When I 'pigged out', it was because the treats were in the house and I
allowed them to call to me more loudly and more persistently than 'good'
food.

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esther.park@ymail.com
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Subject: [fast5] Binge Eating HELP!

Hello everyone, I'm Esther, and I've just joined this group^^
I've been going on and off with Fast-5, but this week I managed to stay on
it consistantly! The problem is... when my eating window opens, I simply
just, binge eat! I overeat everything in my view and I feel like I have to
throw it all up. It feels nauseating =(
I know my body may be trying to adjust and all, but overeating can't go on
forever can it? I'm scared that my 19 hour fasts wont do me justice and my
overeating will take over my life! Please, I really need
encouragements...and if anyone doesn't mind, please do tell if anyone else
is going through a dilemma like this too =(
Insipiration and motivation stories are strongly suggested! D=

Thank you so much...

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