Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Re: [fast5] Fwd: [the_omnivore] Why Intermittent Fasting Isn't All It's Cracked Up To Be



" Each night, this joker – I kid you not – was eating an astronomical 576g of fat and 6,454 calories for dinner! In one single meal"


1. Umm. Right. First, Ori never subscribed to that sort of overeating.

2. Second, Ori didn't "invent" IF. Some researchers working with mice did. Mice, in case you haven't noticed, aren't prone to fad diets. They don't read much.

3. Yeah, I'd guess Colpo isn't a fan of IF.

4. "He who says it cannot be done, should not argue with he who is doing it". I've read a lot about the pros and cons of IF. Both exist. But the fact is: it freed ME from 20 years of being a slave to constant eating. That's all I need. I've done 5 meals a day, now I do 1. 1 is easier. And overall I'm healthier. 

5. Ramadan, and most studies, are rather short-term. It takes a long time for the body to adapt to this sort of thing. There are no (to my knowledge) studies of people who have been doing it for a year or three.

6. All that said ... he is talking about competitive athletics. I COULD very well be that in order to win at the Olympics, or to build massive muscle, you need to eat 5 meals a day. I dunno. That's not my goal, never was. I do know that to raise very muscular (i.e. meaty) chickens, you DO have to feed them all day long. It works. But they are not terribly healthy birds. Muscle mass does NOT equal "health" or even longetivity.


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Dan Lurie <dl1021@optonline.net> wrote:


Apparently Colpo is not a fan of IF.

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Why Intermittent Fasting Isn't All It's Cracked Up To Be

Intermittent fasting (IF) proponents make all sorts of lavish claims, many of which are complete BS. Discover the real science IF proponents haven't told you about.

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Apparently Colpo is not a fan of IF.


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New article at AnthonyColpo.com!

Why Intermittent Fasting Isn't All It's Cracked Up To Be

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Tuesday, September 21, 2010

[fast5] Re: Type 2 diabetes

five meals at 50 g carbs is wayyyy too many carbs. i take care of a disabled person who has diabetes and her endocrynologist had a class that was really great. they recommended four meals at 30 g carbs for the day.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@...> wrote:
>
> For me it wasn't till I had been successfully doing Fast- 5 for six months
> that I had my first high fasting blood sugar. It wasn't all that high,
> just over 100, but it got my attention because I had thought that by doing
> Fast-5 , losing weight easily I had lowered my insulin levels and was
> therefor fine and not in danger of blood sugar problems in the future. But
> obviously not all was well. For me it seems that dealing with my insulin
> resistance revealed some blood sugar dysregulation that had probably been
> going on for a long time, judging from symptoms that went away on lower
> carbs. It has been over two years since then and I have been tweaking my
> low carb regimen and experimenting with and without Fast-5 to get my
> numbers under 100 and lower if possible. At first I tried Dr.
> Schwarzbein's methods of five meals and about 50 g carb. That got my
> fasting up to 126 ! So then i went back to Fast-5 but although BG was
> lower it was still just over 100. These days I seem to have the best
> control and lowest numbers with three well spaced meals a day (low carb,
> high fat and just enough protein) and am in the low 90's most of the time
> with forays into the 80's. When I say well spaced, I mean no less that four
> hours apart and optimally 6 hours apart.
>
> So though never got diagnosed with actual diabetes, my home testing on
> occasions when I had about 100 - 150 grams carb indicates that I easily
> could have been officially diagnosed. But even amongst those with a
> diagnosis, it seems there is great variation as to how people respond to
> various regimens. .
>
> I don't think there can be any harm in trying Fast-5 and it just might do
> the trick for you. Just test often enough to know how it is working. I
> think we each have to do a fair amount of experimenting to find what is
> optimal.
>
> Ellen
>
> I
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I don't have diabetes, and my blood sugar was very steady at 95, unless I
> > skipped a meal, in which case it went UP to 120 (and I got super hungry and
> > grouchy: the so-called "hypoglycemia" except obviously there was no
> > "hypo"!). I kind of think it's this "jump" to high glucose that made people
> > think up the 5-meal-a-day thing for diabetics?
> >
> > After starting Fast-5, it went up during fasting periods for some weeks ...
> > then it dropped, and now it's a steady 83. That mirrors some other people's
> > experiences that people have shared. It is possible that during the
> > "adjustment period" glucose control might be worse, but in the long run,
> > Fast-5 seems to help most people with glucose control.
> >
> > Anyway, I don't get the "hypoglycemic" attacks now either. Everything just
> > kind of evened out.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Bill McCarty <wbmccarty@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Denise, Fast5 runs counter to the common-sense advice often given to
> >> diabetics: eat frequent, small meals to avoid overtaxing the glucose
> >> metabolism. So, I don't understand why my glucose control is better when
> >> following Fast5. But it is.
> >>
> >> My glucose control deteriorated several months ago and, in trying various
> >> ways of regaining control, I stumbled into an eating pattern I later
> >> discovered was essentially Fast5. Even very limited consumption of
> >> carbohydrates, which had worked for me in the past, did not accomplish what
> >> Fast5 has accomplished. Even though I have frank diabetes, my quarterly test
> >> results were below those associated with a "high risk" of diabetes. I won't
> >> argue with real results.
> >>
> >> Of course, this is merely my personal experience of a few months duration.
> >> As with everything pertaining to diabetes, your mileage may vary.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> O
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> People are fed by the food industry, which pays no attention to health, and
> are healed by the health industry, which pays no attention to food.
> ~Wendell Berry
>


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Monday, September 20, 2010

[fast5] Greens

I live alone, and I try not to waste food. But I just realized I am eating less green vegetables since I've been doing fast-5, because you usually have to buy a big bunch.

I reminded myself today to get a salad bar. I got mixed greens and a bit of broccoli. I can eat that today and tomorrow before it goes bad.

I think green vegetables are important.

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Re: [fast5] Type 2 diabetes



For me it wasn't till I had been successfully doing Fast- 5 for six months that I had my  first high fasting blood sugar.  It wasn't all that high, just over 100, but it got my attention because I had thought that by doing Fast-5 , losing weight easily I had lowered my insulin levels and was therefor fine and not in danger of blood sugar problems in the future.  But obviously not all was well.  For me it seems that dealing with my insulin resistance revealed some blood sugar dysregulation that had probably been going on for a long time, judging from symptoms that went away on lower carbs.  It has been over two years  since then and I have been tweaking my low carb regimen  and experimenting with and without Fast-5 to get my numbers under 100 and lower if possible.   At first I tried Dr. Schwarzbein's methods of five meals and about 50 g carb.  That got my fasting up to 126 !   So then i went back to Fast-5  but although BG was lower it was still just over 100.  These days  I seem to have the best control and lowest numbers with three well spaced meals a day (low carb, high fat and just enough protein) and am in the low 90's most of the time with forays into the 80's.  When I say well spaced, I mean no less that four hours apart and optimally 6 hours apart. 

So   though never got diagnosed with actual diabetes, my home testing on occasions when I had about 100 - 150 grams carb indicates that I easily could have been officially diagnosed.  But even amongst those with a diagnosis, it seems there is great variation as to how people respond to various regimens.  .

I don't think there can be any harm in trying  Fast-5 and it just might do the trick for you.  Just test  often enough to know how it is working.  I think we each have to do a fair amount of experimenting to find what is optimal.

Ellen

I

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
 

I don't have diabetes, and my blood sugar was very steady at 95, unless I skipped a meal, in which case it went UP to 120 (and I got super hungry and grouchy: the so-called "hypoglycemia" except obviously there was no "hypo"!). I kind of think it's this "jump" to high glucose that made people think up the 5-meal-a-day thing for diabetics?


After starting Fast-5, it went up during fasting periods for some weeks ... then it dropped, and now it's a steady 83. That mirrors some other people's experiences that people have shared. It is possible that during the "adjustment period" glucose control might be worse, but in the long run, Fast-5 seems to help most people with glucose control.

Anyway, I don't get the "hypoglycemic" attacks now either. Everything just kind of evened out.
  


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Bill McCarty <wbmccarty@gmail.com> wrote:


Denise, Fast5 runs counter to the common-sense advice often given to diabetics: eat frequent, small meals to avoid overtaxing the glucose metabolism. So, I don't understand why my glucose control is better when following Fast5. But it is. 

My glucose control deteriorated several months ago and, in trying various ways of regaining control, I stumbled into an eating pattern I later discovered was essentially Fast5. Even very limited consumption of carbohydrates, which had worked for me in the past, did not accomplish what Fast5 has accomplished. Even though I have frank diabetes, my quarterly test results were below those associated with a "high risk" of diabetes. I won't argue with real results. 

Of course, this is merely my personal experience of a few months duration. As with everything pertaining to diabetes, your mileage may vary. 

Cheers,

 



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Sunday, September 19, 2010

Re: [fast5] Type 2 diabetes



I don't have diabetes, and my blood sugar was very steady at 95, unless I skipped a meal, in which case it went UP to 120 (and I got super hungry and grouchy: the so-called "hypoglycemia" except obviously there was no "hypo"!). I kind of think it's this "jump" to high glucose that made people think up the 5-meal-a-day thing for diabetics?


After starting Fast-5, it went up during fasting periods for some weeks ... then it dropped, and now it's a steady 83. That mirrors some other people's experiences that people have shared. It is possible that during the "adjustment period" glucose control might be worse, but in the long run, Fast-5 seems to help most people with glucose control.

Anyway, I don't get the "hypoglycemic" attacks now either. Everything just kind of evened out.
  


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Bill McCarty <wbmccarty@gmail.com> wrote:


Denise, Fast5 runs counter to the common-sense advice often given to diabetics: eat frequent, small meals to avoid overtaxing the glucose metabolism. So, I don't understand why my glucose control is better when following Fast5. But it is. 

My glucose control deteriorated several months ago and, in trying various ways of regaining control, I stumbled into an eating pattern I later discovered was essentially Fast5. Even very limited consumption of carbohydrates, which had worked for me in the past, did not accomplish what Fast5 has accomplished. Even though I have frank diabetes, my quarterly test results were below those associated with a "high risk" of diabetes. I won't argue with real results. 

Of course, this is merely my personal experience of a few months duration. As with everything pertaining to diabetes, your mileage may vary. 

Cheers,

 


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[fast5] Re: Type 2 diabetes

yes, that was also my main concern, I've been told for years to eat every 3 or 4 hours to keep sugar levels steady but as of late, I haven't been controlling them so well and wanted to give Fast5 a try and see if that would help. Thanks for your input, I'm hoping the author and others can give me their thoughts also....

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Bill McCarty <wbmccarty@...> wrote:
>
> Denise, Fast5 runs counter to the common-sense advice often given to
> diabetics: eat frequent, small meals to avoid overtaxing the glucose
> metabolism. So, I don't understand why my glucose control is better when
> following Fast5. But it is.
>
> My glucose control deteriorated several months ago and, in trying various
> ways of regaining control, I stumbled into an eating pattern I later
> discovered was essentially Fast5. Even very limited consumption of
> carbohydrates, which had worked for me in the past, did not accomplish what
> Fast5 has accomplished. Even though I have frank diabetes, my quarterly test
> results were below those associated with a "high risk" of diabetes. I won't
> argue with real results.
>
> Of course, this is merely my personal experience of a few months duration.
> As with everything pertaining to diabetes, your mileage may vary.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Denise <DeniseBBW@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is there anyone in this group that is a type 2 diabetic and if so, have you
> > found that Fast5 works well for you?
> >
> > _
> >
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