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Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Re: [fast5] Re: Moving the five hours

The hours don't seem to make a difference for people. But the content and/or order of eating does make a difference.

What seems to work the best is to break your fast with either:

-- A salad (lots of greens, and vinegar in the salad dressing. Vinegar does interesting things in terms of weigh loss and blood sugar control. Or soup for variety.

-- Protein. This satisfies. The best protein sources for this are eggs and fish. Of course boiled or pickled eggs and smoked salmon on a big salad is ideal! The body has a certain need for protein, and if it doesn't get it, it keeps the appetite going.

-- Make sure you get the essential fatty acids.

-- Follow the initial course with your main protein and vegies. Vegies do good stuff for ongoing satiety.

-- Follow that sometime later with starchy stuff (i.e. save dessert for last).

Eating in courses is a nice habit in any case. Enjoying the meal is another good habit. Savor it. Also good is making sure you get enough vitamins ... if you lack those, I think it increases your appetite.

Gorging on lots of starch doesn't work well at all. The body still craves "the other stuff" ... the fibers and protein, and then people get hungrier the next day. Fructose doesn't work for some people either, probably because of inability to process it correctly.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:55 AM, bradbury_x <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Are there any differences in weight loss depending on when the five hour window falls?

I ask because the book talks about maintaining the fast that happens during sleep, but as far as I can see once you've got used to the five hour window and don't binge then you're simply reducing calories down to around 1000-1500 per day — always good for weight loss no matter what the plan!

For what it's worth I am genuinely interested in the plan for long-term calorie reduction but right now am focusing on losing weight.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Lupo" <gremlinpugs@...> wrote:
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> Hi. All that matters is u find a window that works for u and stick to it. The five hours can be anywhere. Some do mornings others afternoon and so on. I do evenings because of my work schedule. So I am 630-1130pm. But I generally don't eat after 8pm anyway. It is too late for me.
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> Hello everybody, I'm new here.
>
> I learned about the Fast5 diet and after a brief read through of the eBook, decided to give it a go.
>
> Although it's obvious, it appears I missed a crucial fact: that you don't break the fast until 5pm.
>
> I've been fasting until 3pm, with a cut-off of 8pm. This is just about manageable. I honestly don't think I can last until 5pm, even after training myself, and nor do I want to if I'm being honest.
>
> Does it matter when the five hours fall? I'm sure this has been answered thoroughly elsewhere but I'm having problems answers on the website.
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers.
>

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[fast5] Re: Moving the five hours

Are there any differences in weight loss depending on when the five hour window falls?

I ask because the book talks about maintaining the fast that happens during sleep, but as far as I can see once you've got used to the five hour window and don't binge then you're simply reducing calories down to around 1000-1500 per day — always good for weight loss no matter what the plan!

For what it's worth I am genuinely interested in the plan for long-term calorie reduction but right now am focusing on losing weight.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Lupo" <gremlinpugs@...> wrote:
>
> Hi. All that matters is u find a window that works for u and stick to it. The five hours can be anywhere. Some do mornings others afternoon and so on. I do evenings because of my work schedule. So I am 630-1130pm. But I generally don't eat after 8pm anyway. It is too late for me.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bradbury_x <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> Sender: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:58:22
> To: <fast5@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Moving the five hours
>
> Hello everybody, I'm new here.
>
> I learned about the Fast5 diet and after a brief read through of the eBook, decided to give it a go.
>
> Although it's obvious, it appears I missed a crucial fact: that you don't break the fast until 5pm.
>
> I've been fasting until 3pm, with a cut-off of 8pm. This is just about manageable. I honestly don't think I can last until 5pm, even after training myself, and nor do I want to if I'm being honest.
>
> Does it matter when the five hours fall? I'm sure this has been answered thoroughly elsewhere but I'm having problems answers on the website.
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers.
>

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Re: [fast5] Moving the five hours

Hi. All that matters is u find a window that works for u and stick to it. The five hours can be anywhere. Some do mornings others afternoon and so on. I do evenings because of my work schedule. So I am 630-1130pm. But I generally don't eat after 8pm anyway. It is too late for me.

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[fast5] Moving the five hours

Hello everybody, I'm new here.

I learned about the Fast5 diet and after a brief read through of the eBook, decided to give it a go.

Although it's obvious, it appears I missed a crucial fact: that you don't break the fast until 5pm.

I've been fasting until 3pm, with a cut-off of 8pm. This is just about manageable. I honestly don't think I can last until 5pm, even after training myself, and nor do I want to if I'm being honest.

Does it matter when the five hours fall? I'm sure this has been answered thoroughly elsewhere but I'm having problems answers on the website.

Thanks in advance for any answers.

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Saturday, June 16, 2012

Re: [fast5] Re: Shattering the Myth of Fasting for Women: A Review of Female-Spe

There are some huge differences in how men and women process food, for sure. A big one is meat. Women absorb iron up to 10x better than men, and iron affects insulin production. Now, I can imagine that a man on the hunt is going to be eating mainly game. That's pretty much what modern hunters do. Read Lewis and Clark ... trek all day, then shoot something, roast it, and eat it around the campfire. Whereas the women and children in camp are roasting tubers, grinding grains or legumes, gathering greens and fruits, catching fish and finding eggs maybe. Also in some societies, men got the first choice on meat, and sometimes the women and children got very little ("meat is man food"). So the iron absorption issue makes sense that it would be different, and I think iron is a key to some of the health issues. And it varies according to genotype too, and age.

No group though, noshed on Snackwells or energy bars. Pretty much none of the "tribal" choices have a huge insulin rush attached to them, and it's really hard to overeat on most of those diets. If you look at "What I Eat", the portions on some of those diets are pretty huge. The foods aren't so calorie-dense and they are high in fiber.

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:04 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes, I agree with Dr Bert Herring, that "the best source of info is what's going on in our own bodies, in our own environment, with our own food choices."

I haven't had any problems on Fast-5. I lost 10 lbs. Then I gained it back when I started eating 3 x a day again.... :-(

On another list, someone speculated that in hunter-gatherer societies, that men fast more often; as in the time it takes to hunt, they are not eating. While women gathering plant food can snack on it while they are gathering.... hmmm.

Anyway, it always ends up that you just have to try something and see if it works.
Me, I have more energy intermittent fasting. I feel fine.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Mary Bonfini <marybonfini@...> wrote:
>
> I was disappointed to read this, I have read nothing but positive things about IF. I ended up forwarding this article to the Facebook Fast 5 group and Dr Bert Herring replied with this post. Just passing it along...
> It's important to keep an open mind, but when it comes to lab animals, men are much more similar to women than rats or mice. They are different, of course, and one can see from reports here that not only are men different from women, but wo...men are different from women -- two women do the same thing and have vastly different results. Why? Different genes, different epigenetics, different environments, different food choices, different activities, different bodies, different brains. That's why I encourage "the study of one" -- experimenting to find one's best options -- for your body in your environment. Glucose is easily tested at home, and I would balance that with periodic HbA1Cs, because decreased muscle uptake of glucose because they're burning fat instead may make glucose have higher transient swings than one sees on a usual diet while the average level may be higher or lower over time. Like most things, fasting obviously shows the phenomenon
> of hormesis -- a little is good, but the extreme is starvation, obviously bad. In the same way, a little water is good, but too much can be lethal. What the ideal interval is remains to be seen, but people have to be doing different things for a long time for researchers to be able to sort out what does what. I also keep in mind that lab animals are not normal animals (they're inbred in almost all studies) and they are not in normal environments -- rats and mice are kept in little cages, usually without room to roam, and fed food that is unlike the diet of their wild kin, but exactly the same with every feeding.
> So, while studies may make us think, I maintain that the best source of info is what's going on in our own bodies, in our own environment, with our own food choices. We have the technology to know that know, so I think we should collect this information (glucose, HbA1c, blood pressure, etc.) and use it to find our personal best approach. When a change makes one value get better and another worse, such as when glucose goes up and bp goes down -- it's a very tough call as to which is better in the long run, and the preferable route may be guided by personal and family history. Maybe when lots of people have done different things for decades, we'll be able to sift through it all and get better guidelines for what's best. The only thing that's clear now is that the current way of eating in the current environment with the current food choices results in an unhealthy outcome for the majority of people.
>

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[fast5] Re: Shattering the Myth of Fasting for Women: A Review of Female-Spe

Yes, I agree with Dr Bert Herring, that "the best source of info is what's going on in our own bodies, in our own environment, with our own food choices."

I haven't had any problems on Fast-5. I lost 10 lbs. Then I gained it back when I started eating 3 x a day again.... :-(

On another list, someone speculated that in hunter-gatherer societies, that men fast more often; as in the time it takes to hunt, they are not eating. While women gathering plant food can snack on it while they are gathering.... hmmm.

Anyway, it always ends up that you just have to try something and see if it works.
Me, I have more energy intermittent fasting. I feel fine.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Mary Bonfini <marybonfini@...> wrote:
>
> I was disappointed to read this, I have read nothing but positive things about IF. I ended up forwarding this article to the Facebook Fast 5 group and Dr Bert Herring replied with this post. Just passing it along...
> It's important to keep an open mind, but when it comes to lab animals, men are much more similar to women than rats or mice. They are different, of course, and one can see from reports here that not only are men different from women, but wo...men are different from women -- two women do the same thing and have vastly different results. Why? Different genes, different epigenetics, different environments, different food choices, different activities, different bodies, different brains. That's why I encourage "the study of one" -- experimenting to find one's best options -- for your body in your environment. Glucose is easily tested at home, and I would balance that with periodic HbA1Cs, because decreased muscle uptake of glucose because they're burning fat instead may make glucose have higher transient swings than one sees on a usual diet while the average level may be higher or lower over time. Like most things, fasting obviously shows the phenomenon
> of hormesis -- a little is good, but the extreme is starvation, obviously bad. In the same way, a little water is good, but too much can be lethal. What the ideal interval is remains to be seen, but people have to be doing different things for a long time for researchers to be able to sort out what does what. I also keep in mind that lab animals are not normal animals (they're inbred in almost all studies) and they are not in normal environments -- rats and mice are kept in little cages, usually without room to roam, and fed food that is unlike the diet of their wild kin, but exactly the same with every feeding.
> So, while studies may make us think, I maintain that the best source of info is what's going on in our own bodies, in our own environment, with our own food choices. We have the technology to know that know, so I think we should collect this information (glucose, HbA1c, blood pressure, etc.) and use it to find our personal best approach. When a change makes one value get better and another worse, such as when glucose goes up and bp goes down -- it's a very tough call as to which is better in the long run, and the preferable route may be guided by personal and family history. Maybe when lots of people have done different things for decades, we'll be able to sift through it all and get better guidelines for what's best. The only thing that's clear now is that the current way of eating in the current environment with the current food choices results in an unhealthy outcome for the majority of people.
>

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Thursday, June 14, 2012

Re: [fast5] Re: Shattering the Myth of Fasting for Women: A Review of Female-Spe

I like the last bit. The status quo DOESN'T work for sure.

Also that the lab animals get no choices. One thing many people have noticed on Fast-5 is that people tend to make better food choices on it. I do, certainly. Knowing there is only ONE meal to cook, I put more thought into it, and my tastes have changed a lot.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Mary Bonfini <marybonfini@yahoo.com> wrote:

I was disappointed to read this, I have read nothing but positive things about IF. I ended up forwarding this article to the Facebook Fast 5 group and Dr Bert Herring replied with this post. Just passing it along...

It's important to keep an open mind, but when it comes to lab animals, men are much more similar to women than rats or mice. They are different, of course, and one can see from reports here that not only are men different from women, but wo...men are different from women -- two women do the same thing and have vastly different results. Why? Different genes, different epigenetics, different environments, different food choices, different activities, different bodies, different brains. That's why I encourage "the study of one" -- experimenting to find one's best options -- for your body in your environment. Glucose is easily tested at home, and I would balance that with periodic HbA1Cs, because decreased muscle uptake of glucose because they're burning fat instead may make glucose have higher transient swings than one sees on a usual diet while the average level may be higher or lower over time. Like most things, fasting obviously shows the phenomenon of hormesis -- a little is good, but the extreme is starvation, obviously bad. In the same way, a little water is good, but too much can be lethal. What the ideal interval is remains to be seen, but people have to be doing different things for a long time for researchers to be able to sort out what does what. I also keep in mind that lab animals are not normal animals (they're inbred in almost all studies) and they are not in normal environments -- rats and mice are kept in little cages, usually without room to roam, and fed food that is unlike the diet of their wild kin, but exactly the same with every feeding.
So, while studies may make us think, I maintain that the best source of info is what's going on in our own bodies, in our own environment, with our own food choices. We have the technology to know that know, so I think we should collect this information (glucose, HbA1c, blood pressure, etc.) and use it to find our personal best approach. When a change makes one value get better and another worse, such as when glucose goes up and bp goes down -- it's a very tough call as to which is better in the long run, and the preferable route may be guided by personal and family history. Maybe when lots of people have done different things for decades, we'll be able to sift through it all and get better guidelines for what's best. The only thing that's clear now is that the current way of eating in the current environment with the current food choices results in an unhealthy outcome for the majority of people.

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