Re: [fast5] Re: Fast 5 After Major Surgery

BTW, I wanted to mention that fasting in general has been investigated in terms of cancer. Fasting did NOT make the cancer worse ... in fact it helped in treatment. 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120208152254.htm

I don't know specifically about healing from surgery, but in general Fast-5 tends to give the body a break from digesting, so it can do some repair work, in my experience.

The more I think about it, the more I think the heat pad idea might help a lot. The stitches dissolve via a chemical process, and most chemical processes go faster when there is more heat. I looked up the stitches not dissolving issue, and it seems to be pretty common, esp. in women? It might well have to do with differences in body temps. Stitches near the skin are likelier to be "colder" than those deep inside the body too.

Just be careful not to burn yourself ... pay attention to the heat level and don't trap the heat pad between yourself and a blanket (they can get really hot that way). Low-key electric blankets can work too. I have a low-wattage one that I curl up in sometimes, and it seems to never get too hot:

http://cozywinters.com/shop/pf-shmw.html?utm_source=base&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=merchantadv&zmam=61752597&zmas=1&zmac=2&zmap=PF-SHMW&gclid=CMn5isOXlK4CFYIUKgodVGruLw

Hyperthermia tends to kill cancer cells:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermia_therapy

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Therapy/hyperthermia

And moderate levels of heat have been used for centuries to promote healing in general. And unlikely to do harm!

Also I'd add another push for eggs. Egg protein is the most "complete" and the yolk has vitamins, lecithin, and other stuff that your body needs for healing. People got scared off from eggs, but body builders used to swear by them, and Bruce Lee was big on eggs too.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:17 AM, RickS <no3rdseat@gmail.com> wrote:

First I want to say, YES!!  Everything Heather says!!!

"...medical side of me is saying not a good idea because my body needs the energy to heal."

But I also wanted to point out that since you're concerned with conserving energy, Fast-5 could actually be very beneficial.  The digestive process uses a huge amount of energy.  So if you eat all day, you're actually using more energy than by just eating during your window.  I wanted to stress though, if you do get back on Fast-5 while you're healing make sure to *try* to include as many antioxidants as you can to help repair.  Also fish oil might not be good at this point because it tends to thin the blood and since the stitches keep coming out... I think you know where this is heading... Having said that, I wouldn't shy away from fatty foods right now.  You have to regrow many different cells which all require lots of good fats and fat soluble vitamins to heal properly.  Bone broth would be really good for you right now.  I'd also stay away from sugar and grains too.  They raise triglycerides and cause all sorts of oxidative damage and stress.

So that 15 extra pounds IS energy- 52,500 calories to be exact.  But as long as you're getting enough calories during your window, you'll have all the energy you need without losing much weight.  Doctors tell diabetics to keep on eating pies and candy and keep shooting up insulin.  Getting medical advice on nutrition is like asking a four star general how to have world peace.  Sort of.  Anyway, I'd go with Fast-5 at least for a little and see how you feel.  When animals are sick or injured, they stop eating instinctively.  It's a natural energy saving reaction.  I'd go for it.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Rick Stewart



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> Ok first let me say that I use fast 5 to control my allergies. ...
... I'm just wondering if anyone has ever done this protocol while recovering from major surgery.  Or what are peoples thoughts on it?

>
> Maria
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[fast5] Re: Fast 5 After Major Surgery

First I want to say, YES!! Everything Heather says!!!

"...medical side of me is saying not a good idea because my body needs the energy to heal."

But I also wanted to point out that since you're concerned with conserving energy, Fast-5 could actually be very beneficial. The digestive process uses a huge amount of energy. So if you eat all day, you're actually using more energy than by just eating during your window. I wanted to stress though, if you do get back on Fast-5 while you're healing make sure to *try* to include as many antioxidants as you can to help repair. Also fish oil might not be good at this point because it tends to thin the blood and since the stitches keep coming out... I think you know where this is heading... Having said that, I wouldn't shy away from fatty foods right now. You have to regrow many different cells which all require lots of good fats and fat soluble vitamins to heal properly. Bone broth would be really good for you right now. I'd also stay away from sugar and grains too. They raise triglycerides and cause all sorts of oxidative damage and stress.

So that 15 extra pounds IS energy- 52,500 calories to be exact. But as long as you're getting enough calories during your window, you'll have all the energy you need without losing much weight. Doctors tell diabetics to keep on eating pies and candy and keep shooting up insulin. Getting medical advice on nutrition is like asking a four star general how to have world peace. Sort of. Anyway, I'd go with Fast-5 at least for a little and see how you feel. When animals are sick or injured, they stop eating instinctively. It's a natural energy saving reaction. I'd go for it.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Rick Stewart

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> Ok first let me say that I use fast 5 to control my allergies. ...
... I'm just wondering if anyone has ever done this protocol while recovering from major surgery. Or what are peoples thoughts on it?
>
> Maria
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Re: [fast5] Fast 5 After Major Surgery

First, you have my sympathies. I've not had too many myself, but my son has gone through

several really big ones (spinal) and the healing process can be lengthy. I know "everyone" will

say not to fast. You can get around this a little by having "broths" or whatever for breakfast,

and a simple salad for lunch (lettuce has close to zero calories).

My Mom got after me about the whole Fast-5 thing, until I pointed out that she mainly

only eats one meal a day too. 

In terms of Fast-5, I'd say: go with what works. While you are healing, this isn't "normal life".

Your body is going to be a little nutso. Hopefully you have people who can help you. But

you'll need to experiment to see what works while you recover. 

Now, for stitches and such: a lot of this isn't under your control. It has to do with the

surgeon and what THEY do, plus what kind of connective tissue you have etc.

We've gone through our share of junk like that.

To help the healing process though, I do have a couple of tricks. One that I

got from a doctor (in another context) is: a heating pad. Seriously old-school,

it sounds, but it turns out that a little bit of heat really stimulates the healing

process, and also kills bacteria (including MRSA, which the doc recommended it 

for: I was surprised how well it worked). Women often have a low basal temp

anyway, and bringing it up to 100 or so does wonders for healing. With my

kids, it's gotten kind of ridiculous ... when they get ANY skin issue, they 

stick a heating pad on it (acne included). It works. 

I think infrared LEDs work in a similar way, but I don't have experience with them.

For skin issues: Aloe Vera. Again, old school! I grew some big plants from a little

one I got years ago, and pull one big leaf off it every couple of weeks. Use bits of

that leaf on my skin. It does make it heal quickly if there is an issue, makes it

just feel good otherwise. The gel is said to heal the gut well too (but the skin can

give diarrhea). You can buy the leaves at a rather low price at Mexican markets,

or some "Whole Foods" type stores. You probably will not be using that on

stitches (at least, not before "taking a shower" is ok) but it might help with 

scarring.

Another issue with surgery is that the antibiotics set your system at odds.

Broad-spectrum probiotics do help, although we used home-grown kefir,

which worked great. But another thing that helps is konjac glucomannan,

like 1/4 tsp. with meals. That feeds the good bacteria in the lower gut, 

and basically normalizes digestion. If you have fructose digestion problems,

konjac can help what that too:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2840365

In terms of allergies etc, here is what helped me:

1. Fast-5. Absolutely. It makes my body more robust in general, and solved a lot of lingering digestive issues left over from celiac.

2. Getting rid of the fungal/bacteria issues in my sinuses. I did this mainly using the ol' heat pad plus a neti pot with added xylitol mixed with a teeny bit of oil of oregano. 

3. Getting rid of wheat and dairy. That was a big life-changer for me, but it was about 10 years ago.

4. Lowering the amount of iron in my diet. It turns out my ferritin levels were very high, and high iron levels cause other problems. 

15 lbs overweight though, isn't much, and your body does need protein to rebuild. I think

egg and fish protein is the best and easiest for the human body to handle. Coconut

oil or MCT is the easiest fat to handle.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Be good to yourself: it takes a long time to heal.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM, mariabl <piggieria@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok first let me say that I use fast 5 to control my allergies.  I am far less reactive to everything food and environmental when I fast daily.

Here is the problem. On Jan 9th I had a breast reduction surgery.  I had 2.25lbs taken off.  Now for those that don't know this surgery takes several months and close to a year for everything inside to be healed up. You have ducts, veins, blood vessels, tissue, and nerves not to mention skin that has to heal.  Not to mention your muscles, joints, ect have to get used to your new center of gravity. I have hundreds of sutures on the inside on each side of my body.

Since about 2-3 weeks before the surgery I have not been fasting, but in the mornings I only eat meat since my biggest problem is with fruits/veggies.  The problem is my body is rejecting a lot of the stiches.  In the last 3 weeks I've had over 20 "dissolvable" stiches work their way out and they had to be cut out the rest of the way. Not plesant to say the least. It's 4 weeks since my surgery I'm over half way done with my 5th week, and my inscisions are no were near healed yet because they keep opening whenever a new stich comes to the surface. I also have a spot on the right side where my skin has actually died, and had to rejuvinate Per the surgeons nurse this type of thing typically happens with smokers, well I've never smoked, but my body is very reactive.

I just started back at work last week.  Depending on the day and how much I have to walk around or use my arms for things other then typing my energy level is anywhere from complete exhaustion to normal.

The allergy side of me wants me to do the fast 5 but the medical side of me is saying not a good idea because my body needs the energy to heal.  I am about 15lbs overweight, so I have fat to spare.  I was fasting daily up until 2-3 weeks before surgery. I'm just torn on what to do.  I had to stumble on fast 5 on my own as a fix for my allergies.  My doctors were no help.

I'm just wondering if anyone has ever done this protocol while recovering from major surgery.  Or what are peoples thoughts on it?

Maria



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[fast5] Fast 5 After Major Surgery

Ok first let me say that I use fast 5 to control my allergies. I am far less reactive to everything food and environmental when I fast daily.

Here is the problem. On Jan 9th I had a breast reduction surgery. I had 2.25lbs taken off. Now for those that don't know this surgery takes several months and close to a year for everything inside to be healed up. You have ducts, veins, blood vessels, tissue, and nerves not to mention skin that has to heal. Not to mention your muscles, joints, ect have to get used to your new center of gravity. I have hundreds of sutures on the inside on each side of my body.

Since about 2-3 weeks before the surgery I have not been fasting, but in the mornings I only eat meat since my biggest problem is with fruits/veggies. The problem is my body is rejecting a lot of the stiches. In the last 3 weeks I've had over 20 "dissolvable" stiches work their way out and they had to be cut out the rest of the way. Not plesant to say the least. It's 4 weeks since my surgery I'm over half way done with my 5th week, and my inscisions are no were near healed yet because they keep opening whenever a new stich comes to the surface. I also have a spot on the right side where my skin has actually died, and had to rejuvinate Per the surgeons nurse this type of thing typically happens with smokers, well I've never smoked, but my body is very reactive.

I just started back at work last week. Depending on the day and how much I have to walk around or use my arms for things other then typing my energy level is anywhere from complete exhaustion to normal.

The allergy side of me wants me to do the fast 5 but the medical side of me is saying not a good idea because my body needs the energy to heal. I am about 15lbs overweight, so I have fat to spare. I was fasting daily up until 2-3 weeks before surgery. I'm just torn on what to do. I had to stumble on fast 5 on my own as a fix for my allergies. My doctors were no help.

I'm just wondering if anyone has ever done this protocol while recovering from major surgery. Or what are peoples thoughts on it?

Maria

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[fast5] Re: Awfully quiet 'round here...

Willow,

I've added you to the group. It's supposed to be open, but for some reason Facebook keeps asking if it's ok to add people.

Best wishes,

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> Thank you for the information. I checked out the Fast 5 Diet on FaceBook but can't figure out how to submit a request to join that group. Please advise.
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> Sincerely,
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> > Dr Bert Herring started a fast 5 group on facebook if you are interested in joining. It is a private group so your posts can only be viewed by those in the group. Dr Herring even comments on different posts from time to time. Just go to book and serach fast 5 diet and then send a request to be added to the group.
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> > > I came across this article that I thought I'd share. Hasn't been too much activity up in here so here's an inspirational blurb I ran across...
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> > > http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/?p=771
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> > > -Rick Stewart
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[fast5] Re: Awfully quiet 'round here...

Thank you for the information. I checked out the Fast 5 Diet on FaceBook but can't figure out how to submit a request to join that group. Please advise.

Sincerely,

Willow

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> Dr Bert Herring started a fast 5 group on facebook if you are interested in joining. It is a private group so your posts can only be viewed by those in the group. Dr Herring even comments on different posts from time to time. Just go to book and serach fast 5 diet and then send a request to be added to the group.
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> > I came across this article that I thought I'd share. Hasn't been too much activity up in here so here's an inspirational blurb I ran across...
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