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Wednesday, June 17, 2009

RE: [fast5] conquerring 'hunger' - was: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

It’s tough, too, when you’re the cook and you fix b-fast and lunch and are fasting….

My tummy has been funny today.

I only had a 12-hr fast Monday and Tuesday (my lifting days).

Today I’m going for the full 19-hr fast.

My tummy was growling by 430 this morning.

Hit me again when I got done doing my cardio at the gym (7am).

Went with my kid to his weight training session at school and fixed bfast for the family when we got home (930am) and my tummy has been screaming at me the whole time!

Grrrrr!

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bridget K
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [fast5] Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

…I wonder what others have found: any strategies you employ when things get tough?

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[fast5] Re: 30-miles bike riding fasted!

Hi Karen-

Thanks for the encouragement. ;)

I'm not sure what you experienced was a "bonk". Sometimes you can feel weak if you haven't eaten or slept enough. And that can really make lifting miserable. In the winter, some folks require more calories, or at least feel like they require more calories. Here's a good article that explains carb loading and IF and why I'm not convinced you were bonking:

http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2008/05/27/how-does-intermittent-fasting-affect-carb-loading/

So if you were running or cycling for several hours and THEN lifting, you may have bonked. Or if you were just on a very low carb diet, I mean VERY low carb diet, you could have *POSSIBLY* run out of muscle glycogen and hit the wall.

Unfortunately for those of us who participate very unnatural activities like weight lifting, long distance running, cycling, we have to bump up our carb intake. No amount of evolution has prepared us for the system load that we subject ourselves to every week with our favorite exercises. Paleolithic folks did a lot of squatting, walking, hunting, gathering, lifting... not so much cycling. ;) Most folks do great on low carb diets, but when you throw exercise in the mix, you have to get enough carbs to fuel it. This doesn't mean to eat a big plate of pasta and rice every night. But we just have to make sure we get an extra apple or potato or banana (or all of the above) to make sure that muscle glycogen gets replenished for our next unnatural bout of exercise.

I'm glad it's all working for you now though. You could have also been Vitamin D deficient over the winter. So yeah, nutrition is key for the powerlifter! ;)

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <laurvick@...> wrote:
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> Congrats, Rick!!! That is fantastic!
>
> I was bonking this winter while I weight-trained fasted and finally gave up
> fasting.
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> Now that I am back to it, I am fine.
>
> I think it has to do with making sure we get sure the right nutrients in our
> bodies to handle the task at hand.

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[fast5] Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

Yeah, I've found that I generally go bonkers and pig out only when I'm in the kitchen. So I just stay away from the kitchen, or from my daily habits or patterns that lead me into the kitchen. I'll take the dog for a walk, or go out back and do some pull ups, or go into the garage and work on a project, or go clean a part of the house that's been neglected for too long. Basically, anything I can think of to stay away from the kitchen. Then, if I have to go into the kitchen, I just remember it's easier to say no to the first snack than it is to say no to the second or third.

-Rick Stewart

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Bridget K <number0815@...> wrote:
I wonder what others have found: any strategies you employ when things get tough?
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RE: [fast5] Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

You said,

> Fasting can be such a mental game, eh?

So true!! I find that - and I think it's mentioned in the book as well - when I'm busy I'm fine, but when I have downtime it can be really hard. I wonder what others have found: any strategies you employ when things get tough?

To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
From: laurvick@charter.net
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:48:56 -0700
Subject: RE: [fast5] Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

These are great responses; I truly appreciate everyone's input on this
group!!

On the hunger, tho, and 20 minutes...

I find that I'll feel hunger at a certain time during the day. I just
increase my water intake and keep busy. It might come back and bug me a
couple of times, but then it will go away for several hours. Then it comes
back and we go thru the same cycle again.

Fasting can be such a mental game, eh?

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dokima_doula
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:58 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

I do not believe you should eat in the absence of true physical hunger just
as I do not believe one should bypass hunger. Twenty minutes is long enough
for the brain to send the fullness signal.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009

RE: [fast5] switching length of eating window - Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

This is my main concern over switching my intermittent fasting days….

I was going to keep to a 12-hr fasting window on lifting days then switch to the 19-hr fast on resting days.

I’ve done this for the past week and have been ok, however.

Guess I’ll keep going till it bites me.

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Heather Twist
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:18 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fast5] Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

Yeah, hunger is mostly a hormone-induced illusion. Your body has an entire system to make you feel hungry so you'll eat. You have more nerves dedicated to your gut than to your brain (really).

But it doesn't turn on when you actually RUN OUT of glycogen or fats in your blood. No way! It's smarter than that. It turns on when you are accustomed to eating ... like a dog that knows it is time for dinner even though it already ate some potato chips from behind the couch.

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Re: [fast5] Re: After 3 weeks, why do I eat less?

Yeah, hunger is mostly a hormone-induced illusion. Your body has an entire system to make you feel hungry so you'll eat. You have more nerves dedicated to your gut than to your brain (really).

Anyway, scientists are just now beginning to discover how it all works. But a fair number of chemicals are involved: it's not "all in your head". The grouchiness/etc. though aren't actually your body running out of fuel generally: it's your body producing cortisol, which makes you feel grouchy and hungry. Exercise actually helps fight that, and lemon-juice-water works for me.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Karen <laurvick@charter.net> wrote:

These are great responses; I truly appreciate everyone's input on this
group!!

On the hunger, tho, and 20 minutes...

I find that I'll feel hunger at a certain time during the day. I just
increase my water intake and keep busy. It might come back and bug me a
couple of times, but then it will go away for several hours. Then it comes
back and we go thru the same cycle again.

Fasting can be such a mental game, eh?

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Re: [fast5] 30-miles bike riding fasted!

I haven't been around here for a while, but WTH is 'bonking'? My last
recollection was that it's an activity carried out on a horizontal
recreational device!

On 6/17/09, Karen <laurvick@charter.net> wrote:
> Congrats, Rick!!! That is fantastic!
>
> I was bonking this winter while I weight-trained fasted and finally gave up
> fasting.
>
> Now that I am back to it, I am fine.
>
> I think it has to do with making sure we get sure the right nutrients in our
> bodies to handle the task at hand.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Stewart
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:57 AM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] 30-miles bike riding fasted!
>
> I think my body has adapted to eating once a day but I'm just out of shape
> for bike riding, even though I walk for an hour every day and do bodyweight
> exercises. My strength is coming back and I still don't feel hungrier than
> I did before I started riding again.
>
> I'll try to ride again Thursday (weather permitting) and see how it goes.
>
> Rick Stewart
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