--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> I've given a lot of thought to whether this is "OT" or not ... I'm not sure
> either. For those of us who have a major problem with gluten, gluten is
> THEN dietary issue that messes us up. It's not the only issue, but it needs
> to be said, because it is a problem for a lot of people and like you say,
> it takes decades for it to be found (hopefully this is changing).
I do think it's on topic here. When I think of the YEARS gluten has had a chance to destroy my body it makes me cringe. I'm thankful the word is getting out there so others don't have to go through the same frustrations.
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:22 PM, artofthefire <bbarndogz@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Heather,
> > I agree with all of your last post here. I too lost years of myself with
> > depression - that and pain. Took me 25-30 yrs but, I am very thankful I
> > finally found the answer to all of it.
> >
> > As far as the missionaries bringing wheat to 3rd world countries, I DO
> > agree with you there as well. The problem is the same problem that's
> > rampant here in America - most people, most medical and government agencies
> > do not recognize the problem with wheat. This paradigm shift you speak of
> > is happening, but it sure has been a long, slow one. SO nice that its
> > FINALLY getting recognized in the medical communities now. But, like all
> > cash crops, wheat is a big money maker and its not gonna go out without a
> > pretty big resistance from many.
> >
>
> Oddly enough, wheat isn't the biggest cash crop: corn and soy are, and most
> people don't give much thought to the daily corn in their diet. Wheat is a
> really problematic plant. It was highly prized in Roman times, and cost
> twice as much as barley, which is a lot easier to raise. In my grandpa's
> day, the saying was that wheat and cows were for rich people Oats and goats
> were for the poor. My thinking is that wheat is a mild drug, along with
> coffee and chocolate and tea and nicotine, which is why it has such a hold
> on the psyche. I liked the part in the book "Heidi", where Heidi sneaks out
> the rolls from the rich people's table to send them to her grandma in the
> Alps. The Alpen folks didn't get nice soft wheat bread, but they craved it.
> My grandfather was about the same way. When the social constraints allowed
> for it, he and his brother started a bakery, with real wheat bread. It was
> a huge deal, to get wheat! At that point the government didn't say anything
> about it, but they got lots of customers.
Yes, corn and soy are the biggest cash crops but wheat is so darn highly favored here in the US. And yes, most people don't give much thought to thier daily corn intake - or thier daily SOY intake. Both are in just about everything and both are mostly genetically modified, which makes it even WORSE. It's getting to be the same way with sugar beets. I do believe too much processed - as in boxed, pre-packaged type foods- soy can be a hormone disruptor and the combination of processed and GMO soy or corn (or any other food for that matter) is a disaster waiting to happen, imo. Especially for those of us here into Fast 5 trying to get in good, healthy food in a window of 5 hrs.
> > Although you and I know the damage wheat does to the human body, there's
> > still such a large amount of people out there clueless. So, I guess we
> > can't really place a huge blame on the missionaries for "trying" to help
> > the poor...(Although, the pizza thing did really puzzle me;) Ignorance is
> > definitely not bliss, but if you are still thinking your grandparents life
> > of bread and & etc is the way to go and don't know about or understand the
> > problems there are with wheat, you just continue to believe in your heart
> > that you ARE helping.
> >
>
> I don't really blame them, or anyone. Just before I did a 180 turn, I was
> churning out homemade bread like mad. Nice healthy homemade bread, just
> like my grandparents made. Most of this stuff, you just have to experiment.
> Fast-5 is an experiment, and it works. But if you hear from OTHER people
> experimenting, you learn faster and maybe the experimenting doesn't take so
> long. That's the basis of science. The kind of science shared among any
> group of human beings is similar: "Here is what works. Now: you try it and
> see if it works for you".
I have learned a lot from people experimenting and sharing what they've learned on groups like Fast 5. I used to make homemade bread all the time too. I loved experimenting with it. I worked hard at perfecting my craft too! When I found out what it was doing to me I was heartbroken. Like I lost my best friend! lol Since going off of it though I have lost a few pounds, no more retaining water and puffiness, no more pain and stiffness in my muscles and joints.
> And I do understand the pizza thing. I mean, I teach people how to make
> sushi. Or teriyaki, or anything I think is exciting and tasty. Pizza IS
> tasty. And exotic in some places.
My daughter LOVES sushi and makes it often. She experimented with it a lot before getting it right though:) A friend of mine told me she knew someone that had some teenage house guests from Africa once. They were so excited to give them some "teenage type" American food. Thought they'd love a pizza party. Turns out thier guests tried to be polite and eat it, but they actually thought it was disgusting and hated it! They didn't get the attraction thier hosts had to it at all. Wish I felt the same way! That's the one thing I DO miss!
> > On behalf of many, there is so much more going on with missionary work
> > than just donating bad food like wheat and sending out the wrong message
> > about snacking on junk. Our church is involved in a lot of missions work.
> > Its not in the way of "donating food", its more like donating supplies,
> > muscle & hard work to help them grow their own food and help build
> > homes/shelters. When our mission teams have gone into other countries to
> > help they don't give "treats" or anything outside the norm of that culture.
> > You live as they live while you are there.
> >
>
> That is awesome! I know the "helpers" of various stripes have gotten a lot
> more socially sensitive than they were in the past, which I think is great.
> There have been some really great "paradigm shifts" created by the "more
> technical" (or whatever the right word is today) and shipped around the
> world, including solar-powered lights, smokeless stoves, keyhole gardens,
> subirrigation, animal husbandry advances, wells. What is really cool is
> that these inventions also help everyone. I have a smokeless "pyrolitic"
> burner at our house, which turns excess wood or cardboard into carbon for
> me growing my own dinner with a subirrigation system. All created for the
> "developing" world, but really useful in my little tech hub of Seattle.
Wow, sounds really cool! I love that idea!
> > Our church has helped to dig several wells in areas of Africa where there
> > were none. We have an orphanage in Romania where we donate, not only
> > supplies & funds for supplies, but also LOTS of time, hard work and loads
> > of love and care for the kids to give the regular workers that live there
> > (some from our church) a much needed break. We also used to go to an
> > orphanage in Haiti but it was destroyed. We now go there to help them
> > rebuild their homes and care for the sick and wounded. We are also in Japan
> > after the tsunami.
> >
> > We work with an organization that helps in the fight against the sex slave
> > trade all over the world and right here in our own country.
> >
> > We had large groups go out to help the states that had the horrible
> > devastation from all the tornados and other bad weather this past year.
> >
> > We work with homeless shelters in a nearby city and have also set up a
> > food pantry and baby closet in our own town. When we can find one, we'd
> > like to try and move these to a larger facility, hopefully, with a kitchen
> > where we will have free cooking classes on how to cook easy, inexpensive,
> > healthy meals. We are planning a community garden where people can come and
> > learn to grow their own produce, even if its just a pot of tomatoes on
> > their back porch or a little window garden. With washers and dryers where
> > people in need can come and clean their clothes for free.
> >
> > So, yes, there are some missionaries that donate junk food like wheat and
> > I guess there are some out there that are proud to donate "pizzas" (big
> > sigh) but, there is SO much than that happening out there:)
> >
>
> You sound busy! And I'm really not trying to target missionaries. It's an
> error by all the "helper" organizations, and I think they are getting
> better about it, and quickly.
Oh my goodness, I love to serve and get involved but, I can't take credit for all that! Our church is fairly large and there are many hands involved! My husband has traveled extensively in the past for reasons other than missionary work and, although we commend those that do, we have not felt led to do missionary work outside of our own country - That is, until last summer when our pastor asked my husband to travel with a group to Mexico. He does tig welding as a side job and they needed a welder. (Tig is sort of a more high tech type of welding, the only weld approved for aircraft) Course, the welder they had down there was VERY primitive! Turns out he loved the people and his time spent there so who knows what may be in our future;)
> One thing I'd love to see more of, by the missionaries and others "in the
> field" ... is a log of what, in the local diet and traditions, is
> *working*. In terms of Fast-5, I'm relatively sure that in most of the
> world, eating habits are not 5 meals a day. It just doesn't work, when you
> don't have a fridge or processed food. But few people have documented what
> actually goes on. I know from my grandparents day, the day started with
> porridge (oats) and then maybe they got some dinner (big maybe: often one
> potato and some cabbage). When they moved to the States, my Grandpa's big
> deal was that he got a stick of Jaegerwurst in his pocket, for lunch. But,
> they never "snacked" all day in the way I grew up. It would not have
> occurred to them. Grandma lived to 96, in rather reasonable health. Grandpa
> died earlier, at 72, but not from being decrepit.
From a Fast 5 standpoint that would be interesting to see a journal/log of what and when others eat in other parts of the world, especially 3rd world countries...I think we can safely say that they definitely don't eat as often or the volume as we do.
When my dad was a kid he said there were often times the only way he and his Mom got to eat was from the fire dept. down the street from where they lived. He used to take his little wagon down there around supper time and they would give him thier leftovers. Being a working, single Mom in the '30's, when it was summer time she used to send my Dad to relatives in Wisconsin that were farmers. Even though times were tough for them as well, he said while he was there he ate good. They worked hard and had 3 meals a day, no snacking in between. Lots of fresh veggies, meat and raw milk. He said his Grandma always had things like pickles, beets and some "stinky" sauerkraut bubbling away in the basement. She also used to make him take cod liver oil. Funny now today at 82 he thinks we're nuts for drinking raw milk. Strange out indoctrinated one can become. I'm really hoping I can become indoctrinated with this Fast 5 lifestyle:) I've fasted several times in the past. It wasn't easy, but I did always noticed my digestion felt a lot better afterwards.
Nancy -
(Who's REALLY hoping there aren't alot of ? marks and other strange things all through this post. I tried typing it on wordpad first, then copied and pasted it here to see if that would help the problem this old laptop of mine seems to be having)
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