[fast5] autoimmune

Is anyone on here dealing with autoimmune issues? If so , could you please email me privately?  I have some questions for you after some things I experienced the beginning of last week….. I want to see if anyone else has had similar experiences with the this type of fasting and autoimmune issues.

Chantelle

> On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> > My strategy for social lunches is to order a big salad, with vinegar and oil on the side. Lettuce has next to no calories, and a vinegar dressing is good for your blood glucose. These days no one really comments on a salad lunch ... they assume you are on a diet or you are raw vegan, and it's impolite to ask. If people do ask I can just shrug and say that's what I feel like eating right now, if I eat a big lunch it slows me down. Actually I was eating salads for lunch for many years before I discovered any kind of IF ... a big salad just makes a nice easy lunch, and I feel better if I eat lots of greens.
> >
> >
> > I came at this diet from the Warrior Diet, where raw fruits and vegies are ok during the day. Most people ended up not eating the fruits and vegies after awhile, so it ended up being pretty much the same as Fast-5 (but the philosophy on Fast-5 is nicer and more science-based, I think). Anyway, the raw fruits and vegies had about the same effect as eating nothing, but are easier to deal with in social situations.
> >
> > Also, I have to deal with this kind of thing even for dinner, because I'm celiac and can't have gluten in any case. Dairy often gives me migraines. So "business meals" are really difficult (they are getting easier these days, fortunately!). The fact is, most people totally *do not care* what you are eating unless you make a deal of it. And if it is for business, it's better to steer the conversation away from yourself in any case, have people talking about themselves and what they want etc. Or your business, if you are selling something. I have to work hard to not go philosophizing about my latest research on food, microbes, etc. Otherwise I'll ruin everyone's appetite by telling them exactly why what they are eating is so lousy for them!
> > 

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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

Hmmm, he doesn't snack much, but the vitamin deficiencies are very likely, i hadn't thought about that. And I just convinced him to try probiotics so maybe that will make a difference. Thanks for the ideas.

Beth

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Beth-
>
> I've been doing Fast-5 for almost three years and over the course of many attempts to find what works, I have realized that calories DO matter when trying to LOSE weight. I've eaten a nearly carnivorous diet of meat, fish, and eggs and I can eat 4-5,000 kcals a day and not "gain" weight. But if I need to lose a few pounds, lowering my calorie intake is the only thing I've found to work. Eating all protein and fat will halt weight gain (calories be damned), but unless I use it along with calorie restriction, I will not LOSE weight.
>
> The other thing is, I found that I have psychological triggers that I really need to avoid when I'm trying to lose weight. For instance, if I go into the kitchen and walk past the refrigerator, I think about the jar of peanut butter. Then I think, it's just one scoop so I open the door, get a spoonful, and scarf it down. Then, since I have the taste of PB in my mouth, I go back in and get another scoop. This can easily add 400-600 calories a day!! So in order to prevent that behavior, I will eat my dinner and then go downstairs and read and stay away from the kitchen or walk into the kitchen through another doorway.
>
> Another one I found was having a beer when I get home triggers my insatiable appetite. Even if I just cook with wine or put beer in my chili, the smell will set me off and I'll start snacking before dinner. So I quit drinking any alcohol for a month and when I added it back, I had a beer or shot of whiskey near the end of my window, if at all. Something about having a full stomach and THEN drinking keeps me from pigging out.
>
> Also, my hunger levels went down when I started drinking more water and taking good quality vitamin packs and probiotics. If he's deficient in certain minerals and vitamins, he could be craving a particular nutrient and feeling hungry. This may be the case if he's eating grains and no vegetables. Grains require vitamin C and other nutrients for proper digestion and if he's not eating fruits and vegetables with his grains, he could be deficient. I always suggest that people not eat grains. But that's not realistic in many cases so make sure he's getting his vitamins.
>
> Recent research has brought to light the importance of gut flora in controlling appetite. If the bacteria in his gut is unhealthy, he can gain weight, be hungry, become vitamin deficient, or all of the above. A good probiotic can help.
>
> The last thing is getting enough sleep. I've found (and many studies bear this out) that if I'm sleep deprived, it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to control my appetite. As Dr Herring said, the body is incredibly complicated. There are so many chemical reactions in the body that depend on sleep, so many enzymes and hormones that go to work at night when we sleep, lack of sleep will definitely mess up the part of the body's endocrine system that controls hunger.
>
> These are just some suggestions that I've found work for me. Fast-5 is definitely a discovery of the self more than anything. I think if he sticks with it, he'll figure out what's going on. Good luck.
>
> -Rick
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@> wrote:
> >
> > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> >
> > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.
> >
> > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
>

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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

I agree with you about the bread and crackers. There were eggs and veggies available that he helped cook; he just didn't want to eat them! I will broach the "less carbs" subject with him again.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Barnaby Walker" <barnabywalker@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I appreciate all the input, and so quickly!
> >
> > I'll try to address what everyone has brought up so far.
> >
> > Fast 5 has worked wonders for him. He used to snore loudly, now not at all. He is convinced of the ant-inflammatory benefits and wants to stick with it.
> >
> > He had a complete physical recently, thyroid, all blood work and everything else normal. He is 46, so doctors find this very surprising. Only issue is his weight.
> >
> > He will not eat veggies. Period. Has always been this way. Fruit very rarely. The man lives on meat, beans, fat from meat and dairy, potatoes and grains. We are gluten free at home, but he does all his weekday eating at the office. He does not eat dessert. Does not have a sweet tooth at all. Likes to snack on potato chips, but has done so very rarely since starting fast 5.
> >
> > Basically he eats restaurant and cafeteria food during the week. Probably lots of vegetable oils. He loves soup, and chooses it often, will not touch a salad. His window is often, not always fairly short. He eats one meal, then coffee until his window is up, or until he's had enough, so at times his eating window is short. I suggested he try low-carb, he thought that was a great idea, but he could't get enough to satisfy him. He would walk away from the table still hungry, but the cafeteria guys thought he was nuts, ordering basically meats, gravy, sauces, and soups. People stared.
> >
> > Last Saturday at home we cooked a big brunch together, lots of food for our family of 6. I ate huge quantities of food (I do fast 5 as well, and am normal weight). He ate 4 pieces of bacon between two pieces of gf bread with mayo. And coffee with half and half. That's it. He was full, couldn't eat any more. I warned him 5 hours later that his window was almost up and he hadn't eaten good food, he grabbed some crackers and cheese. Later that night, he complained he didn't feel satisfied. There's no way he even got enough protein, right? This is what I mean when I say he doesn't eat well. I'm not convinced it's the calories, i'm positive I ate more calories in my one big meal than he did in 5 hours.
> >
> > He will not count calories. He will not eat veggies. Exercise? I don't know. Maybe if we could think of a way for him to eat better restaurant food?
> >
> > Beth
>
>
> The only "Bad" food he was eating was the Bread and Crackers. Bacon & Mayo and cheese were good, could have used full cream in coffee instead of low octane. Where were the EGGS, if it was a brunch?
>
> The media brainwashing which has decried saturated fat as a "bad" food is much to blame. The media essentially ignores the epidemic of dementia and decry the much maligned animal fats with their dietary cholesterol while they ignore that the brain consists of cholesterol.
>
> He must dump the breadstuffs and eat more fatty meat, eggs and cheese and he will have hunger stamina.
>
> Join the Gary Taubes Low Insulin school of low carbs, moderate protein and plenty of animal fats, instead of being only a calorie counter. Calorie counters ignore the hormones as a reason for body fat.
>
> Along with Drs. Eades and Barry Groves:
> http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/aboutbg.html
> http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/
>
> "Eat Stop Eat" Fasting gives Low Insulin, which results from extended fasting, the credit it deserves, not hung up on only calorie reduction benefit of fasting.
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/61236146/Obesity-and-Energy-Balance-is-the-Tail-Wagging-the-Dog
>
> Barnaby
>
>
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> > >
> > > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.
> > >
> > > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Beth
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

You're welcome.

On 22 September 2011 16:47, RickS <no3rdseat@gmail.com> wrote:

 

David-

Thank you SO much for not typing "of" after the word "myriad". ;)

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
>

> I don't have any professional expertise to dispute these references (so I
> won't), but my own experience is that, in excess, food of any category (and
> I eat, or have eaten most of them in my time) will cause me to gain weight.
> This is a complex area, and it can get very confusing when the myriad
> physiological and psychological aspects of seeking or shunning particular
> foods get mixed together. I would only remark that it seems on the face of
> it a very difficult proposition to carry out a rigorously controlled
> experiment capable, at the same time, of discriminating the specific effect
> of limiting specific food types (e.g. carbohydrates) from the overall energy
> economy (including, of course, output). It is also a common-sense
> observation that people worldwide and throughout history have been capable
> both of sustaining life and health, and controlling body composition (or
> not) with an almost inconceivably wide variety of food sources. In view of
> these aspects I personally find it more reliable and effective to focus on
> overall energy balance as a first priority and select food types to choice
> and taste as a secondary, albeit important, one. I should emphasise that I
> intend these comments to apply only to the question of weight control, and
> not to other health issues where choice of food types may have specific
> relevance.
>
> David
>

> On 21 September 2011 19:29, Barnaby Walker <barnabywalker@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > And those of us in the Low Insulin school, don't follow Calorie In Calorie
> > Out.
> >
> > The Body doesn't boil down to a simple Physics problem of fueling a
> > furnace. The Hormone Insulin enters the picture, and affects Fat loss.
> >
> > Fasting places the body in a low insulin state.
> >
> > Low Carb diets work for the same reason.
> >
> > http://www.garytaubes.com/2010/12/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.
> > > Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food
> > categories
> > > - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health
> > > issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most
> > > important factor. If weight is not going down over a reasonable period,
> > > then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.
> > > All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not
> > > dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line
> > > relationship between energy balance and weight. Of course, this shouldn't
> > > really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of
> > physics
> > > (like perpetual motion!). So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't
> > > translate to "as much as you want". To put it another way, if you are
> > both
> > > wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything
> > you
> > > want.
> > >
> > > Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value. Rather
> > > it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that
> > > the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey
> > to
> > > temptation. But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to
> > > the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence
> > a
> > > degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still
> > weight
> > > to be shed. Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose
> > > weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down
> > > bodies. Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and
> > > exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as
> > I
> > > (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back. But, even though I
> > still
> > > have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my
> > > daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a
> > "feast"
> > > than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to
> > lose
> > > > weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped
> > completely.
> > > > He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has
> > actually
> > > > gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> > > >
> > > > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year,
> > that's
> > > > it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been
> > > > unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be
> > easy, he
> > > > now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in
> > and
> > > > eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that
> > > > attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he
> > wants. He
> > > > gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be
> > the
> > > > most diffcult thing for him to change.
> > > >
> > > > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I
> > would
> > > > ask you guys for any ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Beth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

Thank you Rick for your enlightening honesty into what triggers you. It really helps me as I'm a little snacker. I'm going to start
employing this stay away idea and it's sure to help me out.
karen

On Thu 09/22/11 11:45 AM , "RickS" no3rdseat@gmail.com sent:
> Hi Beth-
> I've been doing Fast-5 for almost three years and over the course of
> many attempts to find what works, I have realized that calories DO
> matter when trying to LOSE weight. I've eaten a nearly carnivorous
> diet of meat, fish, and eggs and I can eat 4-5,000 kcals a day and not
> "gain" weight. But if I need to lose a few pounds, lowering my
> calorie intake is the only thing I've found to work. Eating all
> protein and fat will halt weight gain (calories be damned), but unless
> I use it along with calorie restriction, I will not LOSE weight.
> The other thing is, I found that I have psychological triggers that
> I really need to avoid when I'm trying to lose weight. For instance,
> if I go into the kitchen and walk past the refrigerator, I think about
> the jar of peanut butter. Then I think, it's just one scoop so I open
> the door, get a spoonful, and scarf it down. Then, since I have the
> taste of PB in my mouth, I go back in and get another scoop. This can
> easily add 400-600 calories a day!! So in order to prevent that
> behavior, I will eat my dinner and then go downstairs and read and
> stay away from the kitchen or walk into the kitchen through another
> doorway.
> Another one I found was having a beer when I get home triggers my
> insatiable appetite. Even if I just cook with wine or put beer in my
> chili, the smell will set me off and I'll start snacking before
> dinner. So I quit drinking any alcohol for a month and when I added
> it back, I had a beer or shot of whiskey near the end of my window, if
> at all. Something about having a full stomach and THEN drinking keeps
> me from pigging out.
> Also, my hunger levels went down when I started drinking more water
> and taking good quality vitamin packs and probiotics. If he's
> deficient in certain minerals and vitamins, he could be craving a
> particular nutrient and feeling hungry. This may be the case if he's
> eating grains and no vegetables. Grains require vitamin C and other
> nutrients for proper digestion and if he's not eating fruits and
> vegetables with his grains, he could be deficient. I always suggest
> that people not eat grains. But that's not realistic in many cases so
> make sure he's getting his vitamins.
> Recent research has brought to light the importance of gut flora in
> controlling appetite. If the bacteria in his gut is unhealthy, he can
> gain weight, be hungry, become vitamin deficient, or all of the above.
> A good probiotic can help.
> The last thing is getting enough sleep. I've found (and many
> studies bear this out) that if I'm sleep deprived, it's nearly
> IMPOSSIBLE to control my appetite. As Dr Herring said, the body is
> incredibly complicated. There are so many chemical reactions in the
> body that depend on sleep, so many enzymes and hormones that go to
> work at night when we sleep, lack of sleep will definitely mess up the
> part of the body's endocrine system that controls hunger.
> These are just some suggestions that I've found work for me. Fast-5
> is definitely a discovery of the self more than anything. I think if
> he sticks with it, he'll figure out what's going on. Good luck.
> -Rick

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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

David-

Thank you SO much for not typing "of" after the word "myriad". ;)

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
>
> I don't have any professional expertise to dispute these references (so I
> won't), but my own experience is that, in excess, food of any category (and
> I eat, or have eaten most of them in my time) will cause me to gain weight.
> This is a complex area, and it can get very confusing when the myriad
> physiological and psychological aspects of seeking or shunning particular
> foods get mixed together. I would only remark that it seems on the face of
> it a very difficult proposition to carry out a rigorously controlled
> experiment capable, at the same time, of discriminating the specific effect
> of limiting specific food types (e.g. carbohydrates) from the overall energy
> economy (including, of course, output). It is also a common-sense
> observation that people worldwide and throughout history have been capable
> both of sustaining life and health, and controlling body composition (or
> not) with an almost inconceivably wide variety of food sources. In view of
> these aspects I personally find it more reliable and effective to focus on
> overall energy balance as a first priority and select food types to choice
> and taste as a secondary, albeit important, one. I should emphasise that I
> intend these comments to apply only to the question of weight control, and
> not to other health issues where choice of food types may have specific
> relevance.
>
> David
>
> On 21 September 2011 19:29, Barnaby Walker <barnabywalker@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > And those of us in the Low Insulin school, don't follow Calorie In Calorie
> > Out.
> >
> > The Body doesn't boil down to a simple Physics problem of fueling a
> > furnace. The Hormone Insulin enters the picture, and affects Fat loss.
> >
> > Fasting places the body in a low insulin state.
> >
> > Low Carb diets work for the same reason.
> >
> > http://www.garytaubes.com/2010/12/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.
> > > Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food
> > categories
> > > - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health
> > > issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most
> > > important factor. If weight is not going down over a reasonable period,
> > > then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.
> > > All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not
> > > dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line
> > > relationship between energy balance and weight. Of course, this shouldn't
> > > really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of
> > physics
> > > (like perpetual motion!). So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't
> > > translate to "as much as you want". To put it another way, if you are
> > both
> > > wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything
> > you
> > > want.
> > >
> > > Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value. Rather
> > > it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that
> > > the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey
> > to
> > > temptation. But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to
> > > the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence
> > a
> > > degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still
> > weight
> > > to be shed. Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose
> > > weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down
> > > bodies. Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and
> > > exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as
> > I
> > > (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back. But, even though I
> > still
> > > have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my
> > > daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a
> > "feast"
> > > than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to
> > lose
> > > > weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped
> > completely.
> > > > He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has
> > actually
> > > > gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> > > >
> > > > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year,
> > that's
> > > > it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been
> > > > unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be
> > easy, he
> > > > now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in
> > and
> > > > eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that
> > > > attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he
> > wants. He
> > > > gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be
> > the
> > > > most diffcult thing for him to change.
> > > >
> > > > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I
> > would
> > > > ask you guys for any ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Beth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

Hi Beth-

I've been doing Fast-5 for almost three years and over the course of many attempts to find what works, I have realized that calories DO matter when trying to LOSE weight. I've eaten a nearly carnivorous diet of meat, fish, and eggs and I can eat 4-5,000 kcals a day and not "gain" weight. But if I need to lose a few pounds, lowering my calorie intake is the only thing I've found to work. Eating all protein and fat will halt weight gain (calories be damned), but unless I use it along with calorie restriction, I will not LOSE weight.

The other thing is, I found that I have psychological triggers that I really need to avoid when I'm trying to lose weight. For instance, if I go into the kitchen and walk past the refrigerator, I think about the jar of peanut butter. Then I think, it's just one scoop so I open the door, get a spoonful, and scarf it down. Then, since I have the taste of PB in my mouth, I go back in and get another scoop. This can easily add 400-600 calories a day!! So in order to prevent that behavior, I will eat my dinner and then go downstairs and read and stay away from the kitchen or walk into the kitchen through another doorway.

Another one I found was having a beer when I get home triggers my insatiable appetite. Even if I just cook with wine or put beer in my chili, the smell will set me off and I'll start snacking before dinner. So I quit drinking any alcohol for a month and when I added it back, I had a beer or shot of whiskey near the end of my window, if at all. Something about having a full stomach and THEN drinking keeps me from pigging out.

Also, my hunger levels went down when I started drinking more water and taking good quality vitamin packs and probiotics. If he's deficient in certain minerals and vitamins, he could be craving a particular nutrient and feeling hungry. This may be the case if he's eating grains and no vegetables. Grains require vitamin C and other nutrients for proper digestion and if he's not eating fruits and vegetables with his grains, he could be deficient. I always suggest that people not eat grains. But that's not realistic in many cases so make sure he's getting his vitamins.

Recent research has brought to light the importance of gut flora in controlling appetite. If the bacteria in his gut is unhealthy, he can gain weight, be hungry, become vitamin deficient, or all of the above. A good probiotic can help.

The last thing is getting enough sleep. I've found (and many studies bear this out) that if I'm sleep deprived, it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to control my appetite. As Dr Herring said, the body is incredibly complicated. There are so many chemical reactions in the body that depend on sleep, so many enzymes and hormones that go to work at night when we sleep, lack of sleep will definitely mess up the part of the body's endocrine system that controls hunger.

These are just some suggestions that I've found work for me. Fast-5 is definitely a discovery of the self more than anything. I think if he sticks with it, he'll figure out what's going on. Good luck.

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@...> wrote:
>
> My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
>
> He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.
>
> He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.
>
> Thanks,
> Beth
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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@...> wrote:
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>
> I appreciate all the input, and so quickly!
>
> I'll try to address what everyone has brought up so far.
>
> Fast 5 has worked wonders for him. He used to snore loudly, now not at all. He is convinced of the ant-inflammatory benefits and wants to stick with it.
>
> He had a complete physical recently, thyroid, all blood work and everything else normal. He is 46, so doctors find this very surprising. Only issue is his weight.
>
> He will not eat veggies. Period. Has always been this way. Fruit very rarely. The man lives on meat, beans, fat from meat and dairy, potatoes and grains. We are gluten free at home, but he does all his weekday eating at the office. He does not eat dessert. Does not have a sweet tooth at all. Likes to snack on potato chips, but has done so very rarely since starting fast 5.
>
> Basically he eats restaurant and cafeteria food during the week. Probably lots of vegetable oils. He loves soup, and chooses it often, will not touch a salad. His window is often, not always fairly short. He eats one meal, then coffee until his window is up, or until he's had enough, so at times his eating window is short. I suggested he try low-carb, he thought that was a great idea, but he could't get enough to satisfy him. He would walk away from the table still hungry, but the cafeteria guys thought he was nuts, ordering basically meats, gravy, sauces, and soups. People stared.
>
> Last Saturday at home we cooked a big brunch together, lots of food for our family of 6. I ate huge quantities of food (I do fast 5 as well, and am normal weight). He ate 4 pieces of bacon between two pieces of gf bread with mayo. And coffee with half and half. That's it. He was full, couldn't eat any more. I warned him 5 hours later that his window was almost up and he hadn't eaten good food, he grabbed some crackers and cheese. Later that night, he complained he didn't feel satisfied. There's no way he even got enough protein, right? This is what I mean when I say he doesn't eat well. I'm not convinced it's the calories, i'm positive I ate more calories in my one big meal than he did in 5 hours.
>
> He will not count calories. He will not eat veggies. Exercise? I don't know. Maybe if we could think of a way for him to eat better restaurant food?
>
> Beth

The only "Bad" food he was eating was the Bread and Crackers. Bacon & Mayo and cheese were good, could have used full cream in coffee instead of low octane. Where were the EGGS, if it was a brunch?

The media brainwashing which has decried saturated fat as a "bad" food is much to blame. The media essentially ignores the epidemic of dementia and decry the much maligned animal fats with their dietary cholesterol while they ignore that the brain consists of cholesterol.

He must dump the breadstuffs and eat more fatty meat, eggs and cheese and he will have hunger stamina.

Join the Gary Taubes Low Insulin school of low carbs, moderate protein and plenty of animal fats, instead of being only a calorie counter. Calorie counters ignore the hormones as a reason for body fat.

Along with Drs. Eades and Barry Groves:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/aboutbg.html
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/

"Eat Stop Eat" Fasting gives Low Insulin, which results from extended fasting, the credit it deserves, not hung up on only calorie reduction benefit of fasting.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61236146/Obesity-and-Energy-Balance-is-the-Tail-Wagging-the-Dog

Barnaby

> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@> wrote:
> >
> > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> >
> > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.
> >
> > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
>

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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

I appreciate all the input, and so quickly!

I'll try to address what everyone has brought up so far.

Fast 5 has worked wonders for him. He used to snore loudly, now not at all. He is convinced of the ant-inflammatory benefits and wants to stick with it.

He had a complete physical recently, thyroid, all blood work and everything else normal. He is 46, so doctors find this very surprising. Only issue is his weight.

He will not eat veggies. Period. Has always been this way. Fruit very rarely. The man lives on meat, beans, fat from meat and dairy, potatoes and grains. We are gluten free at home, but he does all his weekday eating at the office. He does not eat dessert. Does not have a sweet tooth at all. Likes to snack on potato chips, but has done so very rarely since starting fast 5.

Basically he eats restaurant and cafeteria food during the week. Probably lots of vegetable oils. He loves soup, and chooses it often, will not touch a salad. His window is often, not always fairly short. He eats one meal, then coffee until his window is up, or until he's had enough, so at times his eating window is short. I suggested he try low-carb, he thought that was a great idea, but he could't get enough to satisfy him. He would walk away from the table still hungry, but the cafeteria guys thought he was nuts, ordering basically meats, gravy, sauces, and soups. People stared.

Last Saturday at home we cooked a big brunch together, lots of food for our family of 6. I ate huge quantities of food (I do fast 5 as well, and am normal weight). He ate 4 pieces of bacon between two pieces of gf bread with mayo. And coffee with half and half. That's it. He was full, couldn't eat any more. I warned him 5 hours later that his window was almost up and he hadn't eaten good food, he grabbed some crackers and cheese. Later that night, he complained he didn't feel satisfied. There's no way he even got enough protein, right? This is what I mean when I say he doesn't eat well. I'm not convinced it's the calories, i'm positive I ate more calories in my one big meal than he did in 5 hours.

He will not count calories. He will not eat veggies. Exercise? I don't know. Maybe if we could think of a way for him to eat better restaurant food?

Beth
--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Beth" <beth@...> wrote:
>
> My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
>
> He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.
>
> He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.
>
> Thanks,
> Beth
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

Rachel, to your point regarding "someone who is hungry" -

 

Here's the thing:  there is no way to take in more calories than the body needs and expect to lose weight.  I do agree with the high fat / low sugar crowd in that there are other mechanisms at play, but being that this is a fasting forum I think that diet specifics are, for the most part, best evangelized elsewhere.

 

For me, a binge eater, fasting addresses the "hungry" statement.  Perfectly?  No.  Do the food choices made in the window impact the feeling of hunger? Certainly.  Obviously none of us are starving if we have excess body fat, assuming no other medical issues.  Quite simply, it's not a matter of believing in telling someone who's hungry to cut more calories; it's a matter of helping someone who is overweight manage the way they address food so that they can have a better relationship with their appetite.

 

Freedom - well, we all have freedom to eat whenever and whatever we want.  I guess what I'm saying is that freedom with respect to Fast-5 doesn't mean an absence of self-control, it means that there are no specific foods that one needs to adhere to in order to acheive measurable results.  I do believe that I can eat more if I avoid sugar and flour and not impact my weight negatively.  Not infinitely more, LOL - but more.  I also believe that when I eat a lot of concentrated calories, namely sugar, that it impacts my hunger when I'm fasting.  Simply put - if the emphasis is on carbs and sugar during my feeding, then the next day my fasting is more difficult.  So, I just see it as a cost-benefit analysis.  I won't waste my sugar-eating on Twinkies and soda, but if I'm confronted with an awesome pie or some homemade pasta, I just might suffer the consequences gladly.

 

Fast-5 doesn't erase the way your body responds to food.  It just educates you on HOW your body uses fuel, whether it's stored fat or food - and gives you tools to maximize your ability to take the emphasis away from dieting and put more emphasis on living your life.  Just like anything else, just because you have more information doesn't mean that you'll automatically take the informed path.  It just means that as you move forward you'll have a better understanding of why those pants are either tighter, or more loose.  :-)

 

It's also entirely reasonable to point out that without doing Fast-5,  someone like Beth's husband would have gained even more.

From: Rachel <rachelsayshello@yahoo.com>
To: "fast5@yahoogroups.com" <fast5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

 

Thank you.  I don't believe in telling someone who is hungry to cut their calories even more.

 

If there's no freedom in Fast-5, then why do it?   

 

 

From: Barnaby Walker <barnabywalker@gmail.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:29 PM
Subject: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

 

And those of us in the Low Insulin school, don't follow Calorie In Calorie Out.

The Body doesn't boil down to a simple Physics problem of fueling a furnace. The Hormone Insulin enters the picture, and affects Fat loss.

Fasting places the body in a low insulin state.

Low Carb diets work for the same reason.

http://www.garytaubes.com/2010/12/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4

Barnaby

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
>
> I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.
> Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food categories
> - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health
> issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most
> important factor. If weight is not going down over a reasonable period,
> then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.
> All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not
> dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line
> relationship between energy balance and weight. Of course, this shouldn't
> really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of physics
> (like perpetual motion!). So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't
> translate to "as much as you want". To put it another way, if you are both
> wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything you
> want.
>
> Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value. Rather
> it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that
> the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey to
> temptation. But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to
> the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence a
> degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still weight
> to be shed. Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose
> weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down
> bodies. Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and
> exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as I
> (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back. But, even though I still
> have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my
> daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a "feast"
> than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.
>
> David
>
> On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose
> > weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely.
> > He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually
> > gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> >
> > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's
> > it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been
> > unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he
> > now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and
> > eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that
> > attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He
> > gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the
> > most diffcult thing for him to change.
> >
> > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would
> > ask you guys for any ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
> >
> >
>

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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

Physics does apply, and there should be freedom in Fast-5, and low-carbing can help. We are machines, so physics ("calories in vs. calories out") applies, but we are incredibly complicated machines. Because of that complexity, the form that the calories take and when they're ingested makes a difference in how well the engine runs and how thirsty it is for more fuel (the appetite).

Fast-5 is a tool, like a big lever -- it makes the job easier, but it isn't magic. In many people on Fast-5, appetite drops (so "whatever you want" drops) and that's all there is to it. Often with the drop in quantity desired, there's a drop in the desire for carbs. No extra effort needed. For some people, though, it's not enough. Some have had to shorten the window to a couple of hours. Some have had to lower the carb intake. Some have done both. A scant few, after trying all of the above, still didn't succeed with Fast-5. In almost all of those cases, there was something else going on, such as:
taking medicines or supplements;
the person wasn't really fasting (i.e., "juice fasting") which is no fast at all, or the person was taking in calories in some form during the fasting period (protein shakes, non-fat creamer in coffee, etc.)
a thyroid problem;
high stress;
or poor sleep schedule or sleep apnea (does he snore loudly? and sometimes stop?)
I know the "juice fasting" problem doesn't apply here. Seeking a lower-carb diet may help --- avoiding bread/pasta/potatoes/cereals can be a good start. If that restarts weight loss, your husband can always try adding them back when it's time for maintenance. Many people have reported a substantial decrease in appetite/hunger when they've cut their refined carb intake, so a little cut may make a big difference.

If stress is not high, he's on no medication and he's getting good sleep, then a thyroid check may be in order. Heather's suggestions of ordering meals may help too. I think in the past, she's suggested soup as one the early portions, and I agree that soup can be filling and a very healthy choice.

Best wishes,

Bert

Bert Herring
Fast-5 Corporation

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> Thank you.  I don't believe in telling someone who is hungry to cut their calories even more.
>  
> If there's no freedom in Fast-5, then why do it?   
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

I don't have any professional expertise to dispute these references (so I won't), but my own experience is that, in excess, food of any category (and I eat, or have eaten most of them in my time) will cause me to gain weight.  This is a complex area, and it can get very confusing when the myriad physiological and psychological aspects of seeking or shunning particular foods get mixed together.  I would only remark that it seems on the face of it a very difficult proposition to carry out a rigorously controlled experiment capable, at the same time, of discriminating the specific effect of limiting specific food types (e.g. carbohydrates) from the overall energy economy (including, of course, output).  It is also a common-sense observation that people worldwide and throughout history have been capable both of sustaining life and health, and controlling body composition (or not) with an almost inconceivably wide variety of food sources.  In view of these aspects I personally find it more reliable and effective to focus on overall energy balance as a first priority and select food types to choice and taste as a secondary, albeit important, one.  I should emphasise that I intend these comments to apply only to the question of weight control, and not to other health issues where choice of food types may have specific relevance.

David

On 21 September 2011 19:29, Barnaby Walker <barnabywalker@gmail.com> wrote:

 

And those of us in the Low Insulin school, don't follow Calorie In Calorie Out.

The Body doesn't boil down to a simple Physics problem of fueling a furnace. The Hormone Insulin enters the picture, and affects Fat loss.

Fasting places the body in a low insulin state.

Low Carb diets work for the same reason.

http://www.garytaubes.com/2010/12/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4

Barnaby

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
>
> I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.
> Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food categories
> - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health
> issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most
> important factor. If weight is not going down over a reasonable period,
> then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.
> All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not
> dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line
> relationship between energy balance and weight. Of course, this shouldn't
> really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of physics
> (like perpetual motion!). So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't
> translate to "as much as you want". To put it another way, if you are both
> wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything you
> want.
>
> Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value. Rather
> it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that
> the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey to
> temptation. But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to
> the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence a
> degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still weight
> to be shed. Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose
> weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down
> bodies. Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and
> exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as I
> (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back. But, even though I still
> have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my
> daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a "feast"
> than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.
>
> David
>

> On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose
> > weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely.
> > He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually
> > gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> >
> > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's
> > it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been
> > unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he
> > now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and
> > eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that
> > attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He
> > gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the
> > most diffcult thing for him to change.
> >
> > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would
> > ask you guys for any ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

Thank you.  I don't believe in telling someone who is hungry to cut their calories even more.

 

If there's no freedom in Fast-5, then why do it?   

 

 

From: Barnaby Walker <barnabywalker@gmail.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:29 PM
Subject: [fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

 

And those of us in the Low Insulin school, don't follow Calorie In Calorie Out.

The Body doesn't boil down to a simple Physics problem of fueling a furnace. The Hormone Insulin enters the picture, and affects Fat loss.

Fasting places the body in a low insulin state.

Low Carb diets work for the same reason.

http://www.garytaubes.com/2010/12/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4

Barnaby

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
>
> I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.
> Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food categories
> - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health
> issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most
> important factor. If weight is not going down over a reasonable period,
> then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.
> All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not
> dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line
> relationship between energy balance and weight. Of course, this shouldn't
> really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of physics
> (like perpetual motion!). So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't
> translate to "as much as you want". To put it another way, if you are both
> wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything you
> want.
>
> Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value. Rather
> it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that
> the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey to
> temptation. But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to
> the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence a
> degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still weight
> to be shed. Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose
> weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down
> bodies. Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and
> exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as I
> (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back. But, even though I still
> have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my
> daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a "feast"
> than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.
>
> David
>
> On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose
> > weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely.
> > He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually
> > gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> >
> > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's
> > it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been
> > unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he
> > now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and
> > eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that
> > attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He
> > gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the
> > most diffcult thing for him to change.
> >
> > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would
> > ask you guys for any ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
> >
> >
>

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[fast5] Re: Having trouble after a year!

And those of us in the Low Insulin school, don't follow Calorie In Calorie Out.

The Body doesn't boil down to a simple Physics problem of fueling a furnace. The Hormone Insulin enters the picture, and affects Fat loss.

Fasting places the body in a low insulin state.

Low Carb diets work for the same reason.

http://www.garytaubes.com/2010/12/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4

Barnaby

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
>
> I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.
> Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food categories
> - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health
> issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most
> important factor. If weight is not going down over a reasonable period,
> then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.
> All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not
> dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line
> relationship between energy balance and weight. Of course, this shouldn't
> really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of physics
> (like perpetual motion!). So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't
> translate to "as much as you want". To put it another way, if you are both
> wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything you
> want.
>
> Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value. Rather
> it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that
> the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey to
> temptation. But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to
> the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence a
> degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still weight
> to be shed. Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose
> weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down
> bodies. Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and
> exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as I
> (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back. But, even though I still
> have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my
> daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a "feast"
> than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.
>
> David
>
> On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose
> > weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely.
> > He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually
> > gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.
> >
> > He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's
> > it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been
> > unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he
> > now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and
> > eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that
> > attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He
> > gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the
> > most diffcult thing for him to change.
> >
> > He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would
> > ask you guys for any ideas.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beth
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: [fast5] Having trouble after a year!

One of the strategies I've heard for dinner is:

1. First, eat a big salad. Preferably with vinegar. Vinegar seems to do some magic with the appetite, blood sugar, weight loss.

2. Next, eat your protein and cooked vegies.

3. Then, eat your starches.

4. Last, dessert. You probably won't have an appetite for it though. I usually only make it to step 2.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:06 AM, David Nyman <david@davidnyman.com> wrote:

I would certainly endorse what Phil says about calories-in, calories-out.  Despite observations others have made about "good" or "bad" food categories - and I won't dispute that these concerns may be relevant to other health issues - when it comes to weight loss energy balance is by far the most important factor.  If weight is not going down over a reasonable period, then either less food must go in, more energy must be expended, or both.  All the properly controlled research studies (crucially, those not dependent on self-reporting) have confirmed an almost straight-line relationship between energy balance and weight.  Of course, this shouldn't really surprise anybody, as the converse would violate basic laws of physics (like perpetual motion!).  So as Phil says, "whatever you want" doesn't translate to "as much as you want".  To put it another way, if you are both wise and fortunate, you can have anything you want, but not everything you want.

Fast 5 isn't a magic bullet that robs food of its calorific value.  Rather it's a strategy for limiting calorie intake based on the observation that the fewer opportunities we have to eat, the less often we can fall prey to temptation.  But a five-hour eating window (or even less) is no barrier to the capacities of a dedicated glutton (speaking as one myself) and hence a degree of control is still necessary, especially when there is still weight to be  shed.  Don't forget - unfair though it may feel - that as we lose weight we need fewer calories than before to maintain our slimmed-down bodies.  Even now, when I have been at my target weight for years, and exercising typically for an hour a day, if I lapse into eating as much as I (sometimes) want, the pounds begin to creep back.  But, even though I still have to practice a degree of limitation, IF still works for me because my daily four or five-hour window still feels more satisfyingly like a "feast" than a larger number of calories spread over the whole day.

David

 

On 21 September 2011 16:06, Beth <beth@virtualchurchill.com> wrote:

 

My husband has been doing fast 5 for about a year now, primarily to lose weight (he is in good health otherwise). Weight loss has stopped completely. He lost 30 pounds over the first 6 months, then nothing. Now he has actually gained back 5 pounds. he needs to lose another 50 pounds.

He has eaten outside his window maybe 3 to 5 times the entire year, that's it. His window is early in the day, he has tried to change it but been unsuccessful due to business lunches etc, and whereas it used to be easy, he now finds himself hungry in the evenings, although he doesn't give in and eat. He doesn't eat particularly healthy, but one of the things that attracted him to this lifestyle was that he could eat whatever he wants. He gets very little exercise also, but I can guarantee you that would be the most diffcult thing for him to change.

He is so frustrated with hunger and lack of weight loss, I told him I would ask you guys for any ideas.

Thanks,
Beth

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http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
 
 

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