Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle: Re: [fast5] Re: Dealing with Hunger??

One problem with the "whole grain" theory is that many of those 70-80% of the people who subsist on grains, subsist on white rice as their major carb ... and still don't get fat. Bruce Lee ate a basically Chinese diet which was based on white rice, and had egg whites for protein.

Whole grains can have a place in the diet, but a lot of people don't tolerate them well (they are irritating to the gut and interfere with the absorption of nutrients). Fiber in the diet really can help, but I think the best fibers are the polysaccharide ones ... like what is in oatmeal, or pectin from apples, or konjac. Apples with the peel on are a classic way to stop hunger.

There are many other factors besides carbs that influence insulin. One big one is free iron ... which is added to most carbs in the US. I think that one is particularly interesting because if you look at the "skinny countries", they tend to eat more fish/eggs/poultry, and the fat countries tend to eat more beef/mutton/goat (and have more food supplementation).

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2005.02599.x/pdf

Insulin resistance evaluated by homeostatis

model assessment (HOMA)-insulin resistance significantly

decreased after diet, and a further reduction was

observed after phlebotomies.

There are a lot of other factors too, including B vitamins, the interaction of gliadin (wheat gluten) on the villi in the gut, the speed of digestion (which is slowed down if you have vinegar with a meal, or fat, or polysaccharides).

So like Dr. Herring says: *experiment*. For you, the answer may be one thing, for other people it may be something else. Then when you find something that works, share it so everyone else can try it! The meals that work best for me generally include rice, fish, eggs, stir-fried vegies including lots of greens, and a dipping sauce made of fresh squeezed garlic, vinegar, honey, soy sauce, hot sauce. Dunno why that is such a satisfying meal, but it is, and it makes me feel satisfied for a very long time. Took me a lot of experiments though to figure that out!

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:33 AM, hillrunner_tx <preedntx@aol.com> wrote:

If you're going to try grains, think whole grains. Clarence Bass' (Mr. Ripped) morning meals are comprised of a zillion different grains--steel cut oats, etc.--which combined with a little ground flaxseed, etc., will fill you for hours. And, it'd be a much healthier approach for arterial health. Dr. Joel Fuhrman's emphasis on beans (love black) is another great option...toss in veggies (onions, etc.), tomatoes, a little rice and you're set. Cooking author Mark Bittman has ideas on meals "without a face" for breakfast & lunch (could apply to the five hour window) and his dinners emphasize minimal protein and lots of plant foods.

Read the Blue Zones--most of the world survives on three meals a day which are 70 - 80% plant based which varies depending on the region. And "western" diseases--heart (arterial), Type II diabetes, etc., are practically nonexistent in these areas.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "foxchyck" <foxeye@...> wrote:
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>
> Oh great, now I'm hungry. :P No talking about bacon in a fasting group!
>
> And yes, I agree with the others that getting good amounts of protein and fat, and not overdoing it on the grains (assuming you can't bring yourself to cut them out altogether) is your best bet for satisfying your body.
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> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A number of people have reported that they get hungrier the next day if they
> > > don't get enough protein the day before. I think there are some studies that
> > > indicate that human beings have their hunger levels geared to eat a certain
> > > quantity of protein per day, and they will keep eating until they get that
> > > amount.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I've certainly found it is true for me. Esp. I am less hungry if I
> > > get eggs and fish. For some reason those two foods are the most satisfying
> > > for me.
> >
> >
> > Yes, salad and pasta just isn't going to "cut it".
> >
> > On the other hand, one meal a day of several scrambled eggs, cheese and bacon will last until the next day. Same satisfaction with a couple bacon cheeseburger patties or similar fatty meat variations. When you are eating one meal a day, you'll eat sufficient quantity then and won't have to concern yourself with worrying about a silly window.
> >
> > Fear of Fat and meat is probably the biggest myth which has brainwashed people and sets them up for failure with too many Carbohydrates.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR3FVvEJ-Nk
> >
> > The lowered insulin level while fasting is similar to the lowered insulin levels while eating few carbohydrates.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:26 AM, poisongirl6485
> > > <poisongirl6485@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > So I'm home all day with my kids and then I work at night until 2am. I had
> > > > a perfect fasting day yesterday, complete with 2 minutes on the treadmill
> > > > during a break at work.
> > > >
> > > > Today, not so good...I made some pasta to go with some leftover spag sauce
> > > > for my 3 year old who wanted some, and for some reason was feeling so hungry
> > > > and ate a bowl myself (it was whole wheat pasta so I guess that's the only
> > > > plus).
> > > >
> > > > I think part of it was I didn't eat enough in my window last night. I had
> > > > a salad with shredded cheese and bowl of said pasta before work (I work 530p
> > > > - 2 a and my window is 4-9), and a baggie of quaker oat squares cereal that
> > > > I munched on the first few hours of my shift. When my lunch rolled around
> > > > at 830, I just wasn't hungry at all so I skipped eating then.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions? And now that I've eaten already for today, should I just count
> > > > my window as already started? How do you handle that when you break fast
> > > > too early?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------
> > >
> >
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