Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle: Re: [fast5] Re: Fast-5 and Atkins

Thursday, April 22, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Fast-5 and Atkins

Really, don't they have breadboxes where you live, Heather? There used to be one in every kitchen here in Britain - still is in many, including mine: just a container with the word "bread" written on the outside, to keep bread in! We have cookie jars too, but they're usually labelled "biscuits". And of course tea caddies.

David

On 22 April 2010 08:07, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:

I tend to agree. Lately there has been a lot of hype about the "glycemic

index" of foods, which is correct in some degree. But a lot of what is

written about "protein" is really mixed up with "glycemic index".

Basically when someone eats, say, sugar, their blood glucose rises.

No surprise there. It also rises when eating most grains, and most

fruits. It does not rise so much when eating meat or fat. So the

"high protein" diet thing has been "don't eat high glycemic foods"

which basically means "eat meat or fat".

Like you say though: grains and fruit often do have protein.

A "protein" molecule is basically carbohydrate molecule,

with a nitrogen atom added. If it has a nitrogen, it is "protein".

Otherwise, it is a "carb". Or, a "fat". It has nothing whatever to

do with whether it came from an animal, vegetable, or mineral,

or whether it was bigger than a breadbox (what IS a breadbox,

anyway?).

The point is: "high glycemic" and "protein" are really not the

same thing. Recent science has been pointing this out. High

glycemic foods do really make you hungry later, no question.

But not all "non animal" foods are high-glycemic. While most

processed foods in the US do make you super-hungry later,

this isn't the case for many starchy plant foods, esp. those

that contain polysaccarides.

As for protein: kids and bodybuilders need proteins. Adults,

not so much. Protein is low-glycemic, but otherwise, we

don't need to build muscle unless we are working out or

growing. Keep in mind that your average 1,000 lb steer

gets there by eating low-protein grass. Humans don't

process grass well, but we aren't really true carnivores

either. Jack LaLanne, at 94, has been doing well off mainly

egg whites.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, <faith154@cox.net> wrote:

Hi Laura,

When Jennifer said that other than fish, she doesn't eat protein, I just wanted to clarify for members who might not realize that plant foods contain protein too. I've been hearing a lot of people lately talking about meat, but rather than use the word meat they say protein, as if meat is the only source.

You're right about the grain measurements being the uncooked amounts, and the amount of protein in fruits is very small. But it is entirely possible to get enough protein without eating animal products.

Frances Moore Lappe started the idea that non-animal sources of protein are incomplete in her book, "Diet for a Small Planet" in 1971. In later editions of the book she says that was incorrect.

I don't know anything about insulin, but it seems like eating whole fruits, vegetables, and grains, which contain lots of fiber, would not cause an insulin rollercoaster. A vegetarian who eats mostly junk food would probably be in trouble.

I agree, the feeling of fullness from meat vs. vegetarian is very different. It is easier for me to fast after I've eaten meat too.

regards,

Faith

---- Laura Semmens <lsemmens@gmail.com> wrote:
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Those numbers for the grains are for uncooked...ex. a cup of cooked barley has only 3 grams of protein. Plus the protein is incomplete. Same for potatoes.

Fruit? I can't think of any fruit that has significant protein.

Protein and fat are what keep me not hungry. Carbs just put me (and most people) on an insulin rollercoaster.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:21 PM, <faith154@cox.net> wrote:

Really, no protein? How do you remove it from the grains, legumes, vegetables and fruit?

beef, poultry and fish have 7 grams of protein per ounce.

soybeans have 10 grams/ounce, lentils have 6.5 grams/ounce, potatoes have 5 grams/ounce.

as for grains - barley has 19 grams in a cup, couscous is 22 grams/cup, whole grain wheat is 16 grams/cup.

Animals are not the only source of protein!

---- gremlinpugs <gremlinpugs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

Hey Rick

Thanks for the info. I am pretty good about what to follow, though I didn't know about the website. I basically like to have a list for when I go shopping. 1. This keeps me honest, 2. It gives me ideas for what I want to cook, 3. I try and stay away from certain fruits and vegetables that normally are considered good for you, but are higher on the index (like red delicious apples, or carrots).

I don't eat dairy myself and other than wild caught fish (never farmed) I don't eat proteins. Just don't care for it. So, for me grains, legumes, vegetables, fruits, etc are the mainstay of my diet. You know, you live it too. :)

Thanks again.

Sincerely

Jennifer Lupo, D.M.

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