Well, I can tell you what I'd do, because I know I wouldn't be able to cut them out entirely - I'd pick one thing that I really, really want, then load up on protein and vegetables and then devour my "target of choice" right afterwards. That way I'm feeling totally full and the last thing I ate was the 'bad thing' - giving me the illusion that I just scarfed down a ton of calories. I do find that if I take the doc's advice and hit a protein shake to break my fast, I'm less inclined to overindulge later because it is kind of sweet, and definitely filling. I have been experimenting with sort of a hybrid of the Fast 5 / Eat Stop Eat regimen - that is to say, if I have a day that I really overfeed, the following day I will keep my calories well under 1000 or fast completely and stick to coffee, tea, and distilled water (and my amino acid / vitamin supplements). I won't eat again until my next 5-hour window the following day. It seems to do a great job eradicating all the water-retention/bloating that always makes you feel so gross for a couple of days after you overindulge. The understanding that you don't really start to catabolize muscle unless you fast for 72 hours was helpful information. I don't think I've ever gotten to half that, and usually my calorie intake is between 2000 and 4000 calories a day (depending on whether I'm lifting or not, and I'm 6'4" so I can get away with more).
--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Karen <laurvick@charter.net> wrote:
From: Karen <laurvick@charter.net>
Subject: RE: [fast5]what eating carbs/sugar does while Fast5in; was: cause for being dizzy
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 8:32 PM
that has so been my problem, too, Phil. i would make excuses to eat sugar "just this once" and it would snowball and it'd be days later and i'd still be eating crap. that, IMO, made my Fast5ing a failure. i mean, even when i was only eating during my 5-hr window, if i was eating crap, i gained weight. so, since i have not been able to Fast5 (due to taking meds), i have had to get my eating under control. i have had to face the fact i am addicted to sugar and carbs (name them: cookies! chips!). while it is tempting to eat like Andy said, if i have to eat every 12 hrs, i must cut the crap totally. | Thanks, Karen! OK, this begs a question I asked Dr. Herring when I first posted, and I never got an answer: So, according to the book, it takes the initial states to deplete your liver's glycogen stores so that you burn ketones reliably during your 19-hour fast. However . . . if you have a serious binge on sugar/carbs, do you "undo" all the glycogen depletion rapidly? I am a binge-eater and have certainly learned to control my cravings (I'm down over 200 pounds over the last few years, down 100 since the beginning of 2007), but still, I have my days when I will take in a lot of sugar. I still weightlift four times a week and cardio about 20-25 miles of 15-degree incline every week (burns about 250-300 calories per mile for my 6'4" 210lb body), but I was curious about how much damage one does to the Fast5 ketone burn approach with one really strong cookie bender. :-) Thanks!
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