Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle: Re: [fast5] Re: Fast-5 vs. Eat Stop Eat

Oh absolutely some foods ramp up your hunger! This has
been studied a lot. Starches and sugars tend to make you more
hungry.

Sour foods (!) tend to curb your appetite. And moderate
your insulin response, which is really interesting. People who
had 1 TBL of vinegar before a meal really DID lose weight. Vinegar
stops hiccups too, esp. vinegar with some sugar in it. Which
is pretty much the ingredients for Japanese pickles or bread n butter
pickles. I've never been able to figure that one out.

But basically ... you are wired
to react a certain way: exactly how and why we don't know.

And thanks!

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Karen <laurvick@charter.net> wrote:
> I also wonder if it has to do with WHAT is being eaten...
>
> I've been reading over on the Mercola site and he talks about what grains
> and sugars do in our bodies (vamp up that 'hunger' mode) so when those are
> not, or have not, been present, the body just gets busy and does what it is
> supposed to do....
>
> Heather, I love your input!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Heather Twist
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:20 PM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [fast5] Re: Fast-5 vs. Eat Stop Eat
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> That IS one of the mysteries of IF. You suddenly eat a LOT less, or at
> least a lot of people do. Probably a lot of us have theories as to why,
> but I don't think anyone really knows the answer. It's one of those things
> scientists are studying.
>
> Interestingly, when you have your stomach stapled something similar
> happens. Suddenly people who were always hungry eat less (or at
> least the successful ones do). Why? It's a big question that they
> are studying. It's not JUST that the stomach size is smaller. The
> hormones change drastically.
>
> My take is that IF does the same thing. Changes the hormones.
> From "I need to get fatter" hormones (pre-hibernation?) to "I need
> to get skinnier" hormones (lean and mean active human).
>
> This is NOT the same thing as the "starvation" mode that is mentioned
> in the "starvation diet" syndrome that the diet books keep talking
> about. One big difference: people who intentionally starve themselves
> a lot are *always hungry*. I.e. their body is rebelling. People who
> do CR diets talk about this a lot. They use strategies to outwit the
> constant hunger. IF folks do not generally have hunger issues.
> If anything, they, like you, worry intellectually: "Am I getting enough
> calories???".
>
> So look at it like this: your body has a really, really good chemistry
> set/biology lab built in. Billions of neurons ... more than in your brain
> ...
> surround your gut, and their whole goal in life is to make sure you
> eat enough of the right amounts of food, and digest it correctly.
>
> If THEY think you are eating too much, if you need to get rid of fat ...
> they will signal: "we are full now" and you'll "forget" to eat. If THEY
> think you are starving yourself or you aren't getting enough of
> something: they will signal "we are hungry now!" and you will
> eat ... even eat without being fully conscious of it. And they
> will crank down your metabolism etc. to make you gain fat
> for the coming winter or whatever their goal is.
>
> Now, our family pretty much all eats IF, mainly because I'm not
> real motivated to make food unless I'm eating it, and we all
> get distracted, and it's a habit at this point. Everyone else eats
> 2 meals, I eat one. My metabolism is pretty well messed up
> from being an undiagnosed celiac for 40 years, and this way of
> eating keeps it in check and has healed my gut issues very
> well. But the rest of the family ... they are amazingly healthy,
> active, athletic. Hardly starving waifs. And their metabolism
> is strong (can handle cold very well). But they eat far less than
> I would expect, given their activity level and muscle mass.
>
> So I think there is something else going on ... the food appears
> to be used very efficiently. They don't gain weight easily and my
> dh is pretty much at his high-school weight. My dd has a very
> thin waist and athlete's muscles, but she weighs more than
> the height/weight charts says she should. They both routinely
> leave half their food on the plate because they can't finish it and
> rarely partake of snack foods even when they are sitting out
> on the counter. My dh's siblings are both rather chubby and have
> plenty of health problems, as are mine, so the difference isn't genetic.
>
> Anyway, my dd is 14, at the age where a lot of kids go
> anorexic or bulemic, and she really has zero food issues. Doesn't
> worry about food or her body image ... she is really (and justifiably)
> proud of her body and also proud of what we eat (amazingly). I've
> never told her she "must" eat like this, it's just a family habit, but
> there is food on the counter all the time and since it's all cooked
> at home, the air often smells of fresh-baked bread or carmelizing
> onions ... enough to make anyone hungry, you'd think.
>
> So no, I don't think there is a health problem, and I wouldn't
> worry about eating "enough". Listen to your body. The only
> think I'd worry a little about is that some people have "reactive
> hunger" after eating too many starches/sugars and not
> enough protein, but that doesn't seem to be an issue with you.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:22 AM, cathykowloon <cathykowloon@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Thanks for your replies. Here's another question.... by default, I fasted
> yesterday until 5:30p and then ate. I found I was hungry, obviously, so I
> ate a hand full of almonds and 2 stalks of celery with almond butter right
> off the bat. Then I got busy with the kids and I didn't eat again until
> 8:30p when I had dinner with my husband. At that time I had a spinach salad
> (only spinach and tomatoes and a sprinkling of sunflower seeds and little
> oil and vinegar) and 1 chicken enchilada that I had made that night. And
> nothing else. Do you find you eat a lot less? I know by not eating all
> day, I will not be 'making up for lost time' by cramming all my calories
> into one 5 hour window. But I am worried about not eating enough. Around
> 9:30p I remember thinking I should eat a piece of fruit... but wasn't hungry
> for it and it slipped my mind. So yesterday I basically had what would have
> been a normal dinner and the equivalent of 2 snacks.
>>
>> Does this happen to you? How to you ensure you get enough to eat to not
> sacrifice your metabolism and go into "starvation' mode?
>>
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