Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle: [fast5] Re: Need to Clarify...

i love it Heather, another inspiring and thought provoking post!

i am in a similar boat as you. obviously i'm not a mom but i'm a parent, too, and we parents and adults in general (or grown-ups as our daughter calls us) not only feed the children physical food but also mental, emotional and spiritual, too, as well as influencing them by how we live and eat.

what's interesting is our son just got me the book "the omnivore's dilemma" by michael pollan for father's day and it makes a lot of similar points to what you are bringing up.

the points made and questions posed are certainly vital and integral to our being, at least imho.

when it comes to eating lifestyle among other things, i am trying to move beyond the dualistic mindset of wrong and right, good and bad, my way or the highway... to a more flexible neutral and open state.

we are all unique individuals that have wants and needs that aren't necessarily the same.

of course that's the hardest part when a family, a couple, or 2 or more friends sit down to a meal and are expected to all eat the same thing.

our daughter and son definitely have some food likes and dislikes in common but not always.

also she is more likely to naturally do a fast5 eating style where our son is more of a regular eater?

anyway, thank you for giving me and the rest of the group a delicious post to chew on...

Paul

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm still on a quest to find the "ideal diet" for a human. I
> started this quest really not for me, but for my kids. When you are a
> Mom, you have this responsibility to raise your kids in a way that
> they grow up as optimally as possible ... but guess what? There isn't
> anyone that actually KNOWS what the ideal diet for a human is at this
> point. We know a lot more about cow or goat nutrition than we do about
> people.
>
> Anyway, we've been working on growing more and more of our own food in
> a very sustainable way and a way that is healthy for the land. The
> difference between homegrown and storebought is rather absurd and a
> little scary, esp. since we are pretty much greenhorns and probably
> doing it all wrong. But if you actually deal with a real garden and
> real animals, you get a better picture of what our relationship is to
> the land, and how land relates to animals. You also soon learn that to
> feed a family doesn't really require acres and acres of land, even
> when you factor in animals (those little villages in Crete had goats
> in little courtyards, for milk and cheese, and pigs and chickens as
> garbage-disposals and bug control).
>
> But more to the point in this group: "real food" does different things
> to your appetite. It's more filling and satisfying. I can't actually
> pinpoint *why* this
> is so, but a number of people have remarked on it. It is next to impossible
> to get lettuce that is homegrown lettuce, unless you grow it ... but when
> you do, the salad is something completely different. Mind you that my
> garden is debugged and fertilized with my own chickens and worms
> that eat our own garbage, so it has stuff in it that probably is not legal
> to sell (live fertilizer is iffy if you are selling produce!).
>
> Anyway, our handful of chickens not only handles the garbage disposal,
> they would also provide enough egg protein for most people, without
> any moral stress on anyone ... least of all the chickens, who
> really are not attached to their eggs unless they are feeling
> broody. So I highly recommend a couple of local chickens to
> anyone needing protein that has moral compunctions about meat.
>
> The chickens do a great job of helping out a garden and lessening
> the amount of leftovers in landfills. They also eat pests like fleas
> and ticks, and can be kept in a rather small space ... like in a biggish
> cage on the balcony of an apartment: they need room to walk around,
> and they shouldn't be crammed like they are commercially, but they
> don't need huge space either. We have to pen ours up on occasion
> when there are predators around, and they are ok as long as there
> is interesting stuff to eat.
>
> As for "getting enough to eat" ... that is really something I don't
> know either. I have two kids. One has huge calorie needs, and
> loses weight unless he gets a LOT of food. The other, the older,
> is far more active, and eats very little. When, in school, her diet
> was analyzed, she came up very calorie-short. But she isn't
> skinny, and she's tall for her age, big bones, big muscles. Where
> does the energy come from? I can only surmise that she really
> utilizes what she eats very well. She eats mainly one or two
> meals a day, and leaves half the food on the plate usually, doesn't
> drink soda.
>
> What I *DO* know is: she eats according to her appestat. No one
> ever, in her life, has told her what she should eat. Ok, I experiment
> on her too! As in: what will a kid eat, with no parental direction. Her
> choices are sometimes odd. But she is supremely healthy. She
> dislikes packaged food and most candies and sodas. Her favorite
> "junk food" is orange juice, which she will drink in quantity if we
> have it. She refuses to eat most commercial meat saying it
> "tastes weird" (she's been raised mostly on local longhorn, eggs,
> vegies). She's on an athletic team, and competes very well.
>
> Anyway, I look at her, and what she is eating and say: this does
> not add up, according to what I read, nor according to my own
> experience. But also, she is not eating a "normal American diet".
> She doesn't have the gut damage I have, nor the psychic baggage
> of people telling her what to eat or what to look like. I kind of think
> her own DNA is telling her what to be, and THAT is leading her
> to far less-caloric lifestyle than I would have figured.
>
> So ... for you? I have zero idea. But I'm pretty sure that inside
> you, somewhere, is a very good chemistry set that is telling
> you what you need, at least for this moment in time. And it
> sounds like you are listening, which is a good thing.
>
>
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> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Paul Katzpaulcats02@... wrote:
> > Great post, Heather, you bring up some excellent points.
> >
> > agree to disagree, that's a good thing.
> >
> > The challenge for either a vegetarian (whether for ethical or health reasons) or an omnivore who eats a mostly plant-based diet, especially one following fast 5 or any other caloric reduction appears to be how to get enough nutrition i.e protein, fats, and fiber not to mention vitamins minerals enzymes and other micronutrient stuff.
> >
> > I know there are small amounts of protein in all fruits & veggies as well as varying amounts of fiber, the you have fats in fruits like avocado, olives & durian, then of course grains & beans will have protein & fiber while nuts & seeds have fats & protein plus you can eat spirulina or other algaes... but you'd have to eat a whole lot of volume, wouldn't you?
> >
> > And how much can one eat in 5 hours?
> >
> > As an early post said 1 big meal and a snack or two, maybe 2 moderate meals, or just graze on and off?
> >
> > Personally i'd like to eat as natural and unprocessed as possible but can we get the "optimum nutrition" from eating buckets of fruits & veggies, beans, greens & whole grains?
> >
> > that's why i still eat the powders and analogs...
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist HeatherTwist@ wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey, we are all into everyone doing what works for them.
> >>
> >> Personally I'm also into "what works in the lab" ... some things are
> >> not just personal opinion, there is good science to back them up. This
> >> is one reason I really respect Dr. Bert. This diet, Fast-5, is not
> >> something he made up to make a buck. It's well-researched and he
> >> packaged it to make it easier to understand and follow for more
> >> people.
> >>
> >> So if someone here gets up and says: "I don't like eating food that is
> >> colored purple" ... hey, I totally respect that, it's a personal
> >> choice. Personally I can't stand food with certain textures, such as
> >> pancakes or French toast. No real reason: my brain just doesn't like
> >> them.
> >>
> >> If someone gets up and says "Purple foods cause cancer" though, it's
> >> likely to provoke a debate, because *that* is something that can be
> >> argued based on lab results.
> >>
> >> Vegetarianism, in web groups in general, falls somewhere between those
> >> two. For some people it's an aesthetic or emotional thing: they don't
> >> like the idea of eating what was once alive. For others, it is
> >> scientific: they are convinced that meat causes, say, cancer.
> >>
> >> For me personally, it's somewhere between the two. I'm convinced that
> >> farming is one of the big things killing lots and lots and lots of
> >> animals (turning rainforest into soy farms is a biggie right now:
> >> feeding soy to humans is bad. Feeding soy to cows is worse). And I'm
> >> also pretty sure that our way of raising beef right now produces a
> >> very unhealthy kind of beef. However, people are extrapolating from
> >> that, that ALL beef and ALL animal products are unhealthy. This is,
> >> overall, producing more and more soy production to create fake-meat
> >> products, because humans really can't live long on plain fruits and
> >> vegies, though it's a great way to lose weight. If you want to find
> >> the ideal diet for human beings, you need to look at the whole of
> >> human history, paleantology, anthropology, and even old cookbooks.
> >> Don't look to modern humans: our food system is seriously weird from
> >> an historical perspective.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I don't think anyone is offended. Some of us here are from a
> >> group that routinely argues these things and you can expect an
> >> argument (complete with references!), but it should be a good-natured
> >> argument. Dialog is a great thing, and it didn't go away with
> >> Aristotle.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, craztradercraztrader@ wrote:
> >> > I just want to say that the things im saying on here about meat and cooking food and all are just my personal beliefs and I dont mean to offend anyone and I hope I havent. Everyone has their personal beliefs and by saying what Ive said doesnt mean that thats the way it is and everyone else is wrong, lol! I completely respect everyones beliefs and thoughts. I just read back thru my posts and it just kinda looks like Im giving that impression. I just truly feel that our bodies are not designed to digest meat and that meat is the culprit for many diseases
> >> > such as cancer and diebetis etc. But once again thats just me.
> >> > Rob
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