Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle: May 2009

I am getting there – just confused a bit

Does everyone here do this daily on a permanent basis or only certain amount of days per week?

I have been doing it every day as a permanent thing.

Donna

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen
Sent: Monday, 1 June 2009 8:51 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fast5] Drinking milk (Donna)

If you're still struggling, Donna, give yourself time... work back up to
the 19-hr fast.

You know you can do it!

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From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna B
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:57 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fast5] Drinking milk

Thanks Heather - I think you may be right
Maybe I need to just suck it up and quit tea and coffee altogether - its the
only time I want milk

I am finding it quite hard to get back on track after having a couple of
days off - due to complete laziness.

Cheers
Donna

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Heather Twist
Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2009 3:39 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fast5] Drinking milk

If you eat too many calories in your fasting period, the danger is
that it turns into something other than a fast.

It's unclear how many calories is "too much" ... or if it is a matter
of calories or glycemic impact or what. It probably varies from person
to person. Some people do "semi-fasts" where only raw fruits and
vegies are allowed, and that seems to offer similar benefits to a full
fast. But other people do better if they don't take *anything* ...
even water ... during the fasting time.

So ... if you really need milk in your coffee ... experiment and see
what happens. And report back to us!

In my personal opinion though, milk is one of those foods that is very
chemically active in the body, which is likely why you crave it. Milk
has chemicals that trigger reactions of various types, and it tends to
calm hunger (it is the only food that would stop "the hungries" when I
was pregnant). But it also has a rebound effect and tends to make you
crave it more, which might be a good reason to get off it for awhile
and see what happens.

OTOH, tea and maybe coffee can be hard on an empty stomach, and THAT
might be the underlying issue. I had to give up tea on IF ... tea on
an empty stomach was just too irritating.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Donna B <bitchwins@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> But what happens if we don’t?
>
> I mean what are the ill effects of drinking the milk in the coffee?
>
> Thats the part I don’t understand – the difference it will make?
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Karen
> Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2009 1:14 AM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [fast5] Drinking milk
>
>
>
>
> Hi Donna
>
>
>
> You are to restrict your caloric intake to 5 cals during your fasting
> window.
>
>
>
> So if your milk qualifies, then go for it. I just doubt it would be under
5
> cals…
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Donna B
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:55 PM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Drinking milk
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> I just wanted to know if anyone in this group knows what the problem is
with
> having milk in my coffee while fasting for the 19 hours.
>
> I have been doing fast5 for several weeks now and the only problem I have
is
> not having milk in my coffee or tea – so for the last week I have been
> having the milk and still just eating in the 5 hour window (3 – 8pm or 2 –
> 7pm)
>
> Is it just because of hunger that I shouldn’t have milk or some other
> reason.
>
> If it wouldn’t affect the long term weight loss benefits then I would be
> happy to live like this forever so long as I get to have milk with a
cuppa!
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>
>
>

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RE: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

Congrats on 18 years with who must be a wonderful woman, Rob!

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You!
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:34 PM
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Subject: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

Rule #5: have a good wife (or partner). I've had mine for 18 years as of
last Sunday. She is totally awesome

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RE: [fast5] Drinking milk (Donna)

If you're still struggling, Donna, give yourself time... work back up to
the 19-hr fast.

You know you can do it!

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna B
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:57 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [fast5] Drinking milk

Thanks Heather - I think you may be right
Maybe I need to just suck it up and quit tea and coffee altogether - its the
only time I want milk

I am finding it quite hard to get back on track after having a couple of
days off - due to complete laziness.

Cheers
Donna

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Heather Twist
Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2009 3:39 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fast5] Drinking milk

If you eat too many calories in your fasting period, the danger is
that it turns into something other than a fast.

It's unclear how many calories is "too much" ... or if it is a matter
of calories or glycemic impact or what. It probably varies from person
to person. Some people do "semi-fasts" where only raw fruits and
vegies are allowed, and that seems to offer similar benefits to a full
fast. But other people do better if they don't take *anything* ...
even water ... during the fasting time.

So ... if you really need milk in your coffee ... experiment and see
what happens. And report back to us!

In my personal opinion though, milk is one of those foods that is very
chemically active in the body, which is likely why you crave it. Milk
has chemicals that trigger reactions of various types, and it tends to
calm hunger (it is the only food that would stop "the hungries" when I
was pregnant). But it also has a rebound effect and tends to make you
crave it more, which might be a good reason to get off it for awhile
and see what happens.

OTOH, tea and maybe coffee can be hard on an empty stomach, and THAT
might be the underlying issue. I had to give up tea on IF ... tea on
an empty stomach was just too irritating.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Donna B <bitchwins@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> But what happens if we don't?
>
> I mean what are the ill effects of drinking the milk in the coffee?
>
> Thats the part I don't understand – the difference it will make?
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Karen
> Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2009 1:14 AM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [fast5] Drinking milk
>
>
>
>
> Hi Donna
>
>
>
> You are to restrict your caloric intake to 5 cals during your fasting
> window.
>
>
>
> So if your milk qualifies, then go for it. I just doubt it would be under
5
> cals…
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Donna B
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:55 PM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Drinking milk
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> I just wanted to know if anyone in this group knows what the problem is
with
> having milk in my coffee while fasting for the 19 hours.
>
> I have been doing fast5 for several weeks now and the only problem I have
is
> not having milk in my coffee or tea – so for the last week I have been
> having the milk and still just eating in the 5 hour window (3 – 8pm or 2 –
> 7pm)
>
> Is it just because of hunger that I shouldn't have milk or some other
> reason.
>
> If it wouldn't affect the long term weight loss benefits then I would be
> happy to live like this forever so long as I get to have milk with a
cuppa!
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>
>
>

--
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http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/

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RE: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds ! (EJ)

Awesome, EJ!

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Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

I have lost almost 40 pounds using Fast-5 since January 1, 2009 and have been building what I would call a nice physique

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RE: [fast5] Re: Drinking milk (Heather - "a few things I've learned...)

Wow, Heather... great post!

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RE: [fast5] Re: fluoride

The same thing is happening here – our council have decided that they will be putting it in our water whether we want it or not. It is draconian at best.

I too have read lots on the pros and cons and will not be using the town water – we installed more tanks and will use filters etc for better water.

The thing is only two weeks ago the council had to admit that they overdosed the water by 20 times in a ‘slight accident’ – so again human error can do huge damage.

There are tablets available to people who want fluoride so it should not be pushed onto the masses as a mass medication – it just makes a mockery of freedom of choice.

Donna

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bridget K
Sent: Monday, 1 June 2009 1:12 AM
To: Fast5
Subject: RE: [fast5] Re: fluoride

There was a big debate in Southampton (UK) recently during a consultation on whether fluoride should be added to the water or not. After a number of months and thousands of protest signatures in the end it was added after all, mostly because those public consultations are shams anyway, but there were a great number of people - doctors and dentists among them - who were very much opposed to the idea.

The fact is: if my water has fluoride added to it, then I am being medicated whether I like it or not. This is mass medication and I get no choice whether I want it or not. It will benefit some - the teeth of kids, etc. - and it will harm some - older people and pregnant women, I have heard.

Now I'm not a doctor, and I personally have no big issue with it because in my area the water isn't fluoridated, but if you ask me then I want to be able to CHOOSE whether I want to medicate with fluoride and not have that choice be made FOR me by an almighty State. It's not about the fluoride so much as it is about the principle. I mean, what's next: mass sterilisation of the lower classes? (just exaggerating ever so slightly)

Here's a good resource on the fluoride topic: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fluoride_index.html

To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
From: rob_up_north@yahoo.ca
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:15:01 +0000
Subject: [fast5] Re: fluoride

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Bert Herring" <bherring@...> wrote:
> Rob, would you please elaborate on why you consider fluoride to be evil?

Hi Bert,

I am not a medical professional so I have to hear all the arguments from all sides and hope the truth finds its way to me. Over the years, I have become more and more skeptical about the effects of water fluoridation on humans. The closest I come to the dental profession is having a toothbrush and a sister married to a dentist for over 40 years.

Check this out…

Professionals Call for End to Water Fluoridation...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7103100361281348640

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RE: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

Congrats to Ron on your weight loss! You have every right to be proud! WELL DONE

Donna

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[fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

which of the fast 5 rules don't you follow? from your previous post, it seems that mixing a very small amount of fruit juice with the water you drink during the day, may be the only deviation, right? if it works for you, go for it!

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Hey You!" <rob_up_north@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have been a lurker in this group for several months. I joined the group to get some encouragement from you "Fast-5 folk" who I suspect are on the right track to weight loss for good health.
>
> I do not specifically follow the "Fast 5" rules but it was the closest thing out there I could find that compared to what I am using to lose weight. I live a sedimentary lifestyle (not totally by my choice) so I found it over the years much easier to gain weight than lose it.
>
> Since January 1st of this year, I have lost over 50 pounds. For someone who is 45 years old, I feel that is quite the accomplishment without a gym membership.
>
> I am too embarrassed to say how many pounds I still want to lose to reach my goal. It was not easy going through life as "the big guy". I don't need to tell anyone here how society treats the "gravitationally challenged". Having a wife that can cook up heaven is not a help sometimes… especially when she is 40 years old (grandmother already) and has a body that most 21 year olds would kill for.
>
> I stopped at my mother's house yesterday. She is 84 years old (widow) and her health is starting to slip a little and her eyesight is very poor. Ever since I was a child, she has been the worst critic of my weight. That was a tough childhood. Anyway, I stood before her and announced that I had lost 50 pounds. The first two words out of her mouth were; "FIVE ZERO???"…just to make sure that I didn't say "fifteen". Those two words came out of her mouth several times during my visit. After 45 years, I found out what impresses my mother. She even gave me a new shirt that she had bought for my older brother. In her way, that was a serious gesture towards a peace treaty I figure.
>
> Anyway, I'm starting to rant so I'd better get back to the subject…
>
> Be encouraged people! If I can do it, anyone can too. It takes dedication, diligence and support (if you can find it). Thank you for all your posts that have helped me to feel not so alone in my struggle. I could write a book on the psychological damage that society has bestowed upon me because of my size. But, as you probably all know; to survive, we just bury the pain and carry on. That's OK though… I have a strong faith in "The Creator" and I suspect that the "Judgment Day" we've all been warned about will work out a lot of events that were not totally resolved in out short lives.
>
> Thank you again Fast-5 group!
>
> Fast on people… fast on!
>
> Rob
> :-)
>

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RE: [fast5] Re: fluoride

To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:15:01 +0000
Subject: [fast5] Re: fluoride

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[fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

Ron, congrats! And I really like #1 and #9. I think those point to the crux of your success!

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[fast5] Re: fluoride

Dr Bert-

The best resource for the science on why not fluoride can be found here:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/ .

Most European countries have banned the use of fluoride in public drinking water. Other side effects that weren't metioned in the video that Rob so kindly posted are possible increase in bone cancer risk as well as a lowering of IQ. Sodium fluoride was "supposedly" experimented with in Nazi concentration camps to subdue and sterilize the inhabitants. Not sure about that one, but a quick google search on "Nazis fluoride" brings up dozens of pages on the subject. I'd be curious to know for sure if that was true. But as far as brittle bones, bone cancer, osteoporosis, lower IQ, etc, there is tremedous amounts of documentation on these risks.

As an aside, my dentist does not recommend amalgam filllings or fluoride, but she uses fluoride because the ADA says it's OK and she can lose her license to practice for going against ADA rules. I believe she's currently changing her practice to a cosmetic dentistry practice partially for this reason. Mind you, she's a licenced immunologist with two years of heart surgery education before she switched to dentistry so she's no quack.

Rick Stewart
Living happily with no amalgams, no fluoride, and NO CAVITIES!

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Hey You!" <rob_up_north@...> wrote:
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Bert Herring" <bherring@> wrote:
> > Rob, would you please elaborate on why you consider fluoride to be evil?
>
> Hi Bert,
>
> I am not a medical professional so I have to hear all the arguments from all sides and hope the truth finds its way to me. Over the years, I have become more and more skeptical about the effects of water fluoridation on humans. The closest I come to the dental profession is having a toothbrush and a sister married to a dentist for over 40 years.
>
> Check this out…
>
> Professionals Call for End to Water Fluoridation...
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7103100361281348640
>

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[fast5] New, with a few questions

I have been practicing the Fast-5 lifestyle for about 4 days so far, after going on a camping trip and having fasted for ~48 hours and being surprised at how easy it was. I don't have a lot of weight to lose, I weigh about 160lb now and I would like to get to 140lb. I'm 5'11 with a small frame. I really just would like to burn the excess fat from my body. I've lost 60lbs since last year, using regular calorie counting and exercise. So far, I have been losing almost a pound a day. I assume that this will slow down. I consume the roughly same amount of calories in my eating window as I have been previously consuming, but I tend to just eat a big meal and then a little something after and feel full, so it is more like a 2 hour eating window. Is this rapid weight loss acceptable in the beginning, and how long should I let it persist? I am doing weight training during my fasts and I am not overly active, but I like to go for walks outside, mow the lawn, and things like that. I just wonder if this continues, if I should force myself to eat more calorie dense foods or open my eating window earlier.. I don't feel hungry until an hour or so before my window starts at 5pm, and I don't feel like I lack energy, I actually have much more than ever before. I love this lifestyle so far, I look forward to seeing its effects in a longer time frame.

Emma

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Saturday, May 30, 2009

Re: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds - gallons of water

LOL! My story is very similar. We moved out to the country,
started drinking "natural" water.

Um ... except it is full of arsenic. And iron. Both of which aren't
great for humans (or goats/sheep/cows). Now we have a very
pricey water filtration system. Go figure. The people who lived
here before got Parkinson's, which is associated with
well water.

My conclusion: well water is not "natural". Humans didn't drink
it until they got enough technology to dig wells. Before that
they drank water from streams or lakes, which usually sets
on clay beds (and clay changes the water). That water also
often had parasites, which is another issue.

As for drinking "lots of water" ... I tend to need a lot of the
stuff myself. I don't know why. I think it's something everyone
needs to evaluate personally. I have goats and chickens. The goats
will very rarely drink water, unless they only have dried grass
to eat (hay). Chickens, however, need lots of it. Why? There
is likely a reason, but most farmers don't worry about it: you just
feed the animals what they need by paying attention to what they
want and what they do well on.

However, I do a lot better if the water I drink has a little lemon
juice in it. I think this is the "Gatorade" effect ... water needs
some trace elements in it to be used well. Also I do better
with more B vitamins, esp. B12. Water tends to flush out
B vitamins, so that may be part of it. Or it may be I don't
absorb them well to begin with.

But when I feel really GOOD, the constant need for water goes
away. So I think the need for water is something of a symptom
too. I just haven't figured out what it is a symptom OF. (Note:
it's not my blood glucose: I check that too).

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Hey You! <rob_up_north@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I'd better follow up a bit on the "gallons of water" vision I seem to have portrayed…
>
> I hate drinking water!
>
> I grew up and lived in the city in the 60's, 70's, and 80's (always Coca-Cola, Pepsi Generation, etc.). I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride. Now I live on a hobby farm with well water. I haul my water in from the city because, like I said, I'm a city boy and well water tastes like… ah… (are there only adults reading this?). Well water, take it or leave it, has lots of stuff in it. My neighbors have all drank it for years and love it. I don't. I buy jugs of some kind of reverse osmosis processed crap from the super market to drink and use city water for other potable purposes.
>
> Did I mention I hate drinking water?
>
> A lot of people don't realize how easy it is to get dehydrated and more importantly, there actually are a lot of toxins that come out when you burn fat and water really helps to flush them away. To help me keep my intake of water up, I use a mixture of 5% fruit juice (I buy it by the case, different flavor concoctions) and 95% water. The juice MUST be natural with NO SUGAR ADDED. The "no sugar added" part is ultra important. With this mixture, I can slurp a lot of water during the day.
>
> Do I actually drink gallons? I don't know. Summer has not arrived yet and it gets hot for 2 or 3 days up north here after spring and before fall. I would have to say my current daily goal is to make sure at least 1 gallon of water goes through the pipes in a 24 hour period (and possibly a beer or two if there is any in the fridge out on the deck beside the fire pit outside).
>
> I hope this clarifies the dramatic visualization of my last post.
>
> Rob
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[fast5] Re: fluoride

Yes, I misread the "quote" notation. So, I should be addressing Rob_up_North to learn more about his impression of fluoride. Sorry, Sandi.

Rob, would you please elaborate on why you consider fluoride to be evil?

I should also make sure it's clear to the group that "no sugar added" does not mean "no sugar" since many fruits have lots of natural sugar. Concentrated grape juice and apple juice are used as sweeteners for other drinks to hide the sugar. I recently saw a product (chocolate soy milk) that listed "evaporated cane juice" as an ingredient. As far as I can guess, evaporated cane juice is either sugar or sugar syrup. Check the nutritional label for calorie and carbohydrate content.

Thanks for the clarification, Sandi.

Bert

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>Hi Bert,
>First of all let me say thank you for this WONDERFUL program and all your contributions >on this YAHOO group. You seem to really care about us.

>As for the fluoride post, I was replying to a post from "HEY YOU!" and I apparently didn't >leave enough of his original post in to make that obvious. I have included it this time. I >have a background in the dental field so believe me when I say I am a big believer in the >benefits of fluoride.

>Sorry for the confusion.

>Excerpt from original post follows:

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Hey You!" <rob_up_north@...> wrote:

>> I hate drinking water!
>>
>> I grew up and lived in the city in the 60's, 70's, and 80's (always Coca-Cola, Pepsi Generation, etc.). I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Bert Herring" <bherring@...> wrote:
>>
>> Sandi,
>> Please tell us what in your experience or what data source has led you to the conclusion that fluoride is "evil." I am eager to learn from the experiences of others and hold nothing immune from skeptical review if evidence or experience contradicts commonly held assumptions. To date, I have seen nothing from the decades of daily exposure of hundreds of millions of people to fluoride that would suggest it should be classified as "evil."
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bert
>>
>>
>> Bert Herring
>> Fast-5 Corporation
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Sandi" <sandiofhb@> wrote:
> >
> > I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride.
> >
> >
> > Liked reading your posts and found them entertaining until the above statement. See ya.
> >
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[fast5] Re: fluoride

Hi Bert,
First of all let me say thank you for this WONDERFUL program and all your contributions on this YAHOO group. You seem to really care about us.

As for the fluoride post, I was replying to a post from "HEY YOU!" and I apparently didn't leave enough of his original post in to make that obvious. I have included it this time. I have a background in the dental field so believe me when I say I am a big believer in the benefits of fluoride.

Sorry for the confusion.

Excerpt from original post follows:

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Hey You!" <rob_up_north@...> wrote:

> I hate drinking water!
>
> I grew up and lived in the city in the 60's, 70's, and 80's (always Coca-Cola, Pepsi Generation, etc.). I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Bert Herring" <bherring@...> wrote:
>
> Sandi,
> Please tell us what in your experience or what data source has led you to the conclusion that fluoride is "evil." I am eager to learn from the experiences of others and hold nothing immune from skeptical review if evidence or experience contradicts commonly held assumptions. To date, I have seen nothing from the decades of daily exposure of hundreds of millions of people to fluoride that would suggest it should be classified as "evil."
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
>
>
> Bert Herring
> Fast-5 Corporation
>
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Sandi" <sandiofhb@> wrote:
> >
> > I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride.
> >
> >
> > Liked reading your posts and found them entertaining until the above statement. See ya.
> >
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[fast5] Re: fluoride

Sandi,
Please tell us what in your experience or what data source has led you to the conclusion that fluoride is "evil." I am eager to learn from the experiences of others and hold nothing immune from skeptical review if evidence or experience contradicts commonly held assumptions. To date, I have seen nothing from the decades of daily exposure of hundreds of millions of people to fluoride that would suggest it should be classified as "evil."

Thanks,

Bert

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> I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride.
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>
> Liked reading your posts and found them entertaining until the above statement. See ya.
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[fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds - gallons of water

I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride.

Liked reading your posts and found them entertaining until the above statement. See ya.

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[fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds - gallons of water

I'd better follow up a bit on the "gallons of water" vision I seem to have portrayed…

I hate drinking water!

I grew up and lived in the city in the 60's, 70's, and 80's (always Coca-Cola, Pepsi Generation, etc.). I drank city water before I learned about the evil of fluoride. Now I live on a hobby farm with well water. I haul my water in from the city because, like I said, I'm a city boy and well water tastes like… ah… (are there only adults reading this?). Well water, take it or leave it, has lots of stuff in it. My neighbors have all drank it for years and love it. I don't. I buy jugs of some kind of reverse osmosis processed crap from the super market to drink and use city water for other potable purposes.

Did I mention I hate drinking water?

A lot of people don't realize how easy it is to get dehydrated and more importantly, there actually are a lot of toxins that come out when you burn fat and water really helps to flush them away. To help me keep my intake of water up, I use a mixture of 5% fruit juice (I buy it by the case, different flavor concoctions) and 95% water. The juice MUST be natural with NO SUGAR ADDED. The "no sugar added" part is ultra important. With this mixture, I can slurp a lot of water during the day.

Do I actually drink gallons? I don't know. Summer has not arrived yet and it gets hot for 2 or 3 days up north here after spring and before fall. I would have to say my current daily goal is to make sure at least 1 gallon of water goes through the pipes in a 24 hour period (and possibly a beer or two if there is any in the fridge out on the deck beside the fire pit outside).

I hope this clarifies the dramatic visualization of my last post.

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Re: [fast5] Re: Drinking milk

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:59 AM, claudiamb13 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> thanks Heather
>
> Very interesting what you said about wheat being an issue even if you're not allergic to it. I'm weaning myself off of it as we speak. hopefully that solves some inflammation issues that i have

It was an eye-opener for me too. Actually what has been amazing to me
-- though it shouldn't be, once you think about it -- is that a lot of
foods are somewhat toxic actually, and your body has to deal with
that. When we are young and healthy, it's easier for your body to do
that! But I hang around now with people who have more problems, so
I've learned a bit more. If your digestion isn't up to par, here are
the things I've found that help:

1. Fast-5. Eating less often. My theory is that it gives your body
time to do housecleaning between meals. Bacterial overgrowths in the
gut die back when they aren't fed.

2. All seeds try to protect themselves. When you think about it, it
makes sense. Seeds want to get planted and grow, and animals and fungi
want to eat them because the seeds are loaded with nutrients. So the
seeds have hard shells, spikes, shells, and chemicals that make them
irritating to eat. Think about it: most of the major allergens are
seeds (wheat, corn, soy, tree nuts, peanuts). White rice is, I think,
the least irritating ... but brown rice bothers some people.

Wheat is an issue because (some people think) there is a peptide in it
that acts a lot like the candida yeast. Candida has a "sticky" part
that makes it stick to your gut ... gliadin has the same peptide. And
that peptide isn't digestible by human beings. Anything that sticks to
your gut wall is going to be somewhat irritating -- it's like pouring
glue on your skin. I think casein has a glue-like part to it too, but
casein should be more digestible (?) so probably it doesn't bother
people so much? Also these "sticky" proteins get less sticky when
combined with other foods sometimes.

3. Short-chain fats are easier to digest than long-chain fats. It
takes a good bile system to digest long-chain fats, and some people
don't have good bile. Coconut oil has very short-chain fats, and a
fair bit of it is MCT, which doesn't require bile at all.

4. Raw vegies are more problematic than cooked or fermented vegies. I
know this isn't "what people say", but some vegies have protective
stuff in them, like seeds do, and many of them are de-activated by
cooking. So cooked green beans are easy on the stomach: raw green
beans are not. Cabbage is very problematic for some people: but kraut
is good. I love raw lettuce and it doesn't bother me, but it does some
people.

5. Ginger is amazing. The "pickled ginger" that is sold to eat with
sushi? A few slices of that with a meal will make the meal digest a
lot better. Ginger is also great for nausea. You can make your own
pickled ginger by slicing up some fresh ginger thin and soaking it in
rice vinegar. It keeps forever that way.

6. Vinegar is amazing too. Your body reacts to it in ways that change
how your blood sugar/insulin works. Lemon juice too ... anything sour.

7. Be careful of tea on an empty stomach. Tannins are one of those
irritating substances.

8. Be careful of starches/sugars on an empty stomach. Some people
don't digest the "quickly digesting" starches well ... they get dumped
into the gut before they are really absorbed well and then feed
bacteria. Baked goods are the worst for this: the starch is finely
ground. "gelled" starches ... like pasta or steamed rice ... go
through a different digestive process. Also starches surrounded by
fats and fibers ... think stir fry on rice ... digest differently. So
the WORST thing you can eat for morning sickness is saltine crackers!
(what I ate!).

9. Fruits are one food that is "meant" to be eaten. The whole point of
a tree making fruit is to entice some animals to carry the seed away
somewhere else. So fruit tends to be easier on your gut. But it's also
better to eat it whole, with the fiber, not juiced, which like
cookies, absorb too quickly (and you can drink just too much of it!).

10. Avoid cheap hamburger. It's made from used-up dairy cows, and most
of us who get good beef can actually taste the difference. It tastes
like chemicals! Dairy cows are fed a lot of medications, and they are
full of hormones (natural or artificial: it takes hormones to make
milk). So the beef is sold cheap and made into hamburger. If you need
cheap beef, go to the business Costco and buy their big huge roasts,
which can go for $1.29/lb (depends on the cut) and cut it up and
freeze it. Or their frozen ground sirloin burgers. But don't get their
"bulk hamburger" rolls.

We buy one beef "on the hoof" per year, which is very economical if
you buy directly from the farmer ... the butchers come out and do all
the work and it's nearly as convenient as going to the store.

11. Be careful of packaged starchy foods. There is something about how
they make them ... the high heat, dryness, additives? ... that is
bothersome to some people, and they can be high in acrylamides, which
are bad news.

12. Be careful of vegie oils. Esp. Canola. It has erucic acid in it
... in smaller amounts than "rapeseed oil" had in the past, via
breeding ... but it still can be irritating. I noticed this a lot
after I stopped using it then tried it again. But it's in so many
foods these days! The other vegie oils ... corn/soy ... oxidize during
cooking and in your body. And most oils are hydrogenated into trans
fats, which is even worse. Olive oil and coconut oil are, I think, the
safest and easiest on your body.

========
Anyway, sorry that this is so long and technical. I don't believe in
being "the food police" and everyone is different. But maybe it can
help cut down on your experimentation time to hear other's
experiences. If you listen to your body it will tell you what it wants
and needs. We don't "avoid all bad foods" by any means, but by
concentrating on what works for us, we sure feel a lot better! (and we
do have lots of yummy food, trust me).

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Re: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

Bob.

Happy Birthday and thanks so much for sharing your wonderful results from fast5.

I do think it is important to point out that what worked for you may not work for others. There is NO VALID science behind drinking so much water and if there is, I hope someone shares it with us. On the contrary, drinking too much water can lead to water intoxication (brain and muscle mega issues) and can overload the circulatory/pulmonary system, as in pulmonary edema.

So what is the answer? For you and many others, water seems to make you feel full, even though is spends a very short time in the stomach. It also can be something to do instead of eating. For myself, I listen closely to my body. If I am thirsty, I drink, if my lips are dry, I drink, if I do a lot of sweating, I recently had lab tests done prior to cataract surgery. Everything was normal...including, BUN, creatinine, urinalysis, hematocrit. In other words, I showed no sign of dehydration, by just listening to my body and drinking when thirsty.

I hope Dr. Bert weighs in on this.

Bob, my post, in no way is meant to disparage what works for you, and if I were you, I wouldn't change a thing. I just want others to look at all sides of an issue and to look at scientific evidence.

On May 29, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Hey You! wrote:

I suppose I have to disclose (a bit)…

Thank you again people for your notes of congrats. I expected a few questions into my activities that have led to my current weight loss success.

I have a few "rules" I follow…

Rule #1: drink gallons of water until the fire department sends you monthly checks.

Rule #2: drink gallons of water because if you don't, you will hurt your kidneys real bad and I've sat beside people on dialysis machines and it's boring (and gross).

Rule #3: eat whatever the wife puts in front of me (she's nice enough to give me a few options each day). My wife is an awesome cook and I love all the evil stuff. I'm not living until the age of 150 so I'm not depriving myself of anything in the short time I have left on the planet.

Rule #4: drink gallons of water. My wife has two and 3/4 horses here. I watched them and learned lots. I can now swat flies off my shoulder with a dish towel tucked into the back of my pants.

Rule #5: have a good wife (or partner). I've had mine for 18 years as of last Sunday. She is totally awesome (I have to say that because she can shoot the eyes out of a bumble bee with a rifle at 300 yards even after 3 beer or whatever else we're drinking' that night).

Side note #1: I better expand on rule #5 for a sec… my wife and I moved to a 10 acre piece of heaven about 1 hour down 4 lane highways from the city. I was born and raised in the city. My wife lured me out into the country. I'll let you in on a little secret that city folk don't know… (whisper) "nobody parties hardier than freakin' country folk". I moved out here and needed a fence put up around my property. The neighbors showed up, told me to "step aside young feller" and proceed to insert fence posts around my property with a tractor like pushing pencils into a birthday cake. Then we all got real drunk around a campfire. At this point, go back and read the end of Rule #3 again!

Rule #6: If drinking alcohol, remember about dehydration. Drinking alcohol is dehydrating. This is not good for your kidneys (well… neither is booze but these are my rules so blah!). I consider myself a social drinker and my late father was in AA for years and I don't think that even he would consider me to have an alcohol problem in my life but he would tell me how hard booze is on the kidneys (guess where I learned how to babysit a dialysis patient). So… don't overdo it with the alcohol unless the neighbors show up or the usual seasonal hall parties that these country folk also don't tell you about (can y'all say "barn dance"?).

Rule #7: If your wife notices that you seem to be slipping into insanity, which means you're not drinking enough water, have her read Rule #1 out loud. Found this one out the hard way! Your fat stores toxins. When you burn fat, toxins come out and are processed by the kidneys. Without water, the kidneys get mad and send insanity signals to brain. IMPORTANT TO GO READ THE FIRST PART OF RULE #5 NOW!

Side note #2: I can't believe I have all these freakin' rules! This sounds too complicated now. I'm not that smart and I hate complicated things.

Rule #8: I'm just making this one up!

Rule #9: I eat one meal a day (nothing is prohibited). I don't overdo it. I might even have something evil for dessert. Did I mention my wife is an awesome cook, and a new grandmother? (I'm step-grampa) And yes, as I mentioned in my original post, she has an incredible figure (I still can't understand what I did to get blessed with her – we only knew each other less than a month when we eloped – people gave us 6 months).

Rule #10: Pray. It sure helps me!

So there is some disclosure for your inquiring minds.

From up north,

Rob

Ps. Today is not my birthday and I can count to 21 when totally nekkid!

:-p

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[fast5] Re: Drinking milk

What's in the book is intended to be a starting point that works for most everybody, but it is by no means intended to be an absolute requirement for a lifetime. The only person who should dictate "rules" for you is you, because you alone can determine what is working for you and what lifestyle you can sustain for the long run.

No one knows exactly how much caloric intake during the day is enough to keep F5 from working -- it varies from one person to another and is question worthy of some research. However, you can tell whether it's too much for you in particular by whether it triggers limbic hunger (and you wind up eating before your break-fast time -- it sounds like this does not happen with the small amount of milk you consume) and by whether you are losing weight at a rate that is acceptable to you. If weight loss is your goal, then the rate of weight loss hardly matters as long as you are losing some, because as long as you're making progress, you'll get to where you to be. The only difference might be sooner vs. later, but in the long run, it's getting to your goal weight and staying there that matters.
If milk makes the Fast-5 program more sustainable/pleasant and does not halt your progress, then there's no weight-loss reason not to use it. The longevity benefits of F5 are not defined and might be microscopically lessened due to milk consumption, but that remote possibility has to be balanced with making your way of eating something you can live with (and enjoy) indefinitely. Cream should have less of an impact on insulin than milk as Rick said, and it may take a much smaller volume of cream to produce the same taste effect you get with milk.

If it's working for you, it's a routine you can sustain, and you're happy with the progress you're making toward your goal, why change? If you get to a plateau, then a change might become necessary. This approach is what I call "a study of one," meaning that you start with the basic plan, modify it as needed based on your lifestyle and the results you see with your body, your lifestyle and your preferences, and then you determine what way of eating is just the right fit for you.

Best wishes,
Bert

Bert Herring
Fast-5 Corporation

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Donna B" <bitchwins@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies
>
> I guess what I really want to know is – does having the milk in the coffee
> through the day actually affect the effectiveness of Fast 5? For example am
> I still going to lose weight by sticking to the 5 hour window for eating but
> having the cuppas with milk (and throughout the day that would amount to
> around ¾ of a cup of milk.)
>
> I read in the free ebook about how to do the Fast5 etc but not exactly sure
> how and why it works in the body – exactly what does the more than 5
> calories do (spike insulin – and if so, so what?)
>
> Is there another book that all of you have read?
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Stewart
> Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 10:25 AM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Re: Drinking milk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I personally don't drink plain milk and I don't use it in my beverages. I
> did think about it though when I started F5. The conclusion that I came to
> is that if a person has to have milk in their coffee or tea, it might be
> better to use a small amount of heavy cream instead of milk. Milk doesn't
> have as many calories as heavy cream but heavy cream has no carbs and won't
> affect insulin levels in small amounts such as what is used in coffee or
> tea.
>
> If you use a tbsp of cream in your coffee you're ingesting 25 calories of
> fat. That's a half hour of potential bodyfat that could be burned. So really
> it's up to you.
>
> Stll, Dr Herring's recommendation from the F5 book is not to have more than
> 5 calories during your fasting period.
>
> -Rick Stewart
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

Rob,

I like your made up rules.

I also drink gallons of water everyday. I still live in the city but I love the countryside of the world. I will be heading to my jungle beach paradise in a small village [still with dirt roads] with a little over 200 population, in Costa Rica, end of next month. It is hot and humid there this wet season so your water rules will definitely apply. I will also have some of their Imperial [beer] water regularly (yeah, part of my 80/20 rule).

I have lost almost 40 pounds using Fast-5 since January 1, 2009 and have been building what I would call a nice physique [at least for me and still a work in progress], with my KB training. I love this lifestyle. Again, thanks to Dr. Herring and to the members of this Yahoo group for their the valuable input.

Keep up the work, Rob. To Fast-5! I'll drink to that!

ENJOY

From: Hey You! <rob_up_north@yahoo.ca>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:34:12 PM
Subject: [fast5] Re: I lost 50 pounds !

I suppose I have to disclose (a bit)…

Thank you again people for your notes of congrats. I expected a few questions into my activities that have led to my current weight loss success.

I have a few "rules" I follow…

Rule #1: drink gallons of water until the fire department sends you monthly checks.

Rule #2: drink gallons of water because if you don't, you will hurt your kidneys real bad and I've sat beside people on dialysis machines and it's boring (and gross).

Rule #3: eat whatever the wife puts in front of me (she's nice enough to give me a few options each day). My wife is an awesome cook and I love all the evil stuff. I'm not living until the age of 150 so I'm not depriving myself of anything in the short time I have left on the planet.

Rule #4: drink gallons of water. My wife has two and 3/4 horses here. I watched them and learned lots. I can now swat flies off my shoulder with a dish towel tucked into the back of my pants.

Rule #5: have a good wife (or partner). I've had mine for 18 years as of last Sunday. She is totally awesome (I have to say that because she can shoot the eyes out of a bumble bee with a rifle at 300 yards even after 3 beer or whatever else we're drinking' that night).

Side note #1: I better expand on rule #5 for a sec… my wife and I moved to a 10 acre piece of heaven about 1 hour down 4 lane highways from the city. I was born and raised in the city. My wife lured me out into the country. I'll let you in on a little secret that city folk don't know… (whisper) "nobody parties hardier than freakin' country folk". I moved out here and needed a fence put up around my property. The neighbors showed up, told me to "step aside young feller" and proceed to insert fence posts around my property with a tractor like pushing pencils into a birthday cake. Then we all got real drunk around a campfire. At this point, go back and read the end of Rule #3 again!

Rule #6: If drinking alcohol, remember about dehydration. Drinking alcohol is dehydrating. This is not good for your kidneys (well… neither is booze but these are my rules so blah!). I consider myself a social drinker and my late father was in AA for years and I don't think that even he would consider me to have an alcohol problem in my life but he would tell me how hard booze is on the kidneys (guess where I learned how to babysit a dialysis patient). So… don't overdo it with the alcohol unless the neighbors show up or the usual seasonal hall parties that these country folk also don't tell you about (can y'all say "barn dance"?).

Rule #7: If your wife notices that you seem to be slipping into insanity, which means you're not drinking enough water, have her read Rule #1 out loud. Found this one out the hard way! Your fat stores toxins. When you burn fat, toxins come out and are processed by the kidneys. Without water, the kidneys get mad and send insanity signals to brain. IMPORTANT TO GO READ THE FIRST PART OF RULE #5 NOW!

Side note #2: I can't believe I have all these freakin' rules! This sounds too complicated now. I'm not that smart and I hate complicated things.

Rule #8: I'm just making this one up!

Rule #9: I eat one meal a day (nothing is prohibited). I don't overdo it. I might even have something evil for dessert. Did I mention my wife is an awesome cook, and a new grandmother? (I'm step-grampa) And yes, as I mentioned in my original post, she has an incredible figure (I still can't understand what I did to get blessed with her – we only knew each other less than a month when we eloped – people gave us 6 months).

Rule #10: Pray. It sure helps me!

So there is some disclosure for your inquiring minds.

From up north,

Rob

Ps. Today is not my birthday and I can count to 21 when totally nekkid!

:-p

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