Sunday, October 31, 2010

Re: [fast5] Chewing Re: Rice



I think just *paying attention* to your food is a key thing. Most of us have been trained to NOT pay attention, because the thing was (when I was growing up) to "do what you are told". That usually meant: eat what you are given. That meant: forget about your opinions about this food.


I rebelled against this at some point. Part of it is a family story about my Dad. He was a really big baby (runs in the family). Big and healthy. Born in pre-war Germany. The docs told grandma: he only should have 4 oz of milk.

Now this tells me 2 things: 1) He didn't get breastmilk. The docs were ALSO saying: don't bother with that, use cows!  2) The docs know best how much this baby needs. Forget that he is twice the weight of the average babe. WE know how much he needs to eat.

As grandma told it, Dad cried and cried. He was hungry. She was steadfast though, and didn't feed him. He was only supposed to get 4 oz. Who cares that he wants more? You have to discipline this young guy!

OK, does that sound harsh? It does to me. Also stupid. But back then, that was how people thought. When I had my own first baby, and asked "how much should I feed her?" the doc just laughed, "Don't worry about it. You can't overfeed a baby".

So the baby docs got smarter I think! He was correct. My daughter occasionally ate too much ... and threw it up again. She simply could NOT eat too much.

What does this have to do with chewing? I think we "scarf" our food ... wolf it down as fast as we can. Partially to get around our own inner voice that would tell us to "stop eating". Because as my daughter got older --- 4 or 5 --- she would not eat much. And pretty much everyone except me would say "eat more! eat more!". One stick of broccoli was simply not enough.

But I never made her eat more, because ... the "skill" of eating more than what you need is not a skill. It's the ability to ignore your body's signals ... kinda like sword swallowing or those overeating competitions or walking a tightrope. There is no way I know how much her body needs. If she was overly skinny I might make an issue of it, but she isn't. 



On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:16 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
When I chew my food well, I notice that the more I chew, the more I taste my food. I notice that whole foods taste better as I chew, while junk foods tend to taste worse the more I chew (except chocolate candy!) I also notice that if the food is even just slightly spoiled, I will taste the spoiledness of it more when I chew - then it's eewww, spit it out!

You are supposed to get more nutrients from your food if you chew well. Some foods are especially important to chew, such as grains.


 
 


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[fast5] Chewing Re: Rice

When I chew my food well, I notice that the more I chew, the more I taste my food. I notice that whole foods taste better as I chew, while junk foods tend to taste worse the more I chew (except chocolate candy!) I also notice that if the food is even just slightly spoiled, I will taste the spoiledness of it more when I chew - then it's eewww, spit it out!

You are supposed to get more nutrients from your food if you chew well. Some foods are especially important to chew, such as grains.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
>
> I remember now my macrobiotic counselor's name: Lino Stanchich. He wrote a book: "Power Eating Program: You Are How You Eat" that's all about how important it is to chew your food thoroughly. His father survived Nazi concentration camps, partly because he chewed his food thoroughly. In that book, he says that if you chew brown rice very well for a long time, you can get high from it. I was never able to do it though. My friend could. I don't have the book anymore.
> I liked him, he was a great guy.
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@> wrote:
> >
> > Did you ever get high from chewing rice?
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > See, and I did the opposite. I never ate rice. Until I started eating fish
> > > and stir fry ... then it seemed to "need" the rice.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:38 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I used to be macrobiotic. We ate a lot of brown rice. A LOT. I liked it.
> > > > One of my teachers wrote in his book (about the importance of chewing) that
> > > > if you chew brown rice long enough you get a spiritual high. My friend who
> > > > was macrobiotic said she felt this, but I never did.
> > > >
> > > > Now I don't eat that way anymore, I follow a paleo diet - no grains. I am
> > > > surprised I don't miss rice: I don't crave it at all. I feel indifferent
> > > > toward rice, grains, pasta, breads... I could care less. I only eat them
> > > > once n a blue moon to be polite if I am visiting someone.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > >
> >
>


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Re: [fast5] Fiber Menace.. Thoughts?



On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:


> There are sooo many holes in the Fiber Menace thing that I don't know
> where to start.

I would love to hear your thoughts about this... I'm gullible, and
bought what he was saying, hook, line, and sinker. Some perspective
would be awesome.

Since he is getting some popularity, it would be good if someone did a comprehensive review of what he is saying. It is difficult though. A coworker asked me once to review Bob Barefoot's Calcium book and it just drove me nuts ... for 4 pages of his text I had 5 pages of notes! There was so much truthiness mixed with so much misdirection, it was like watching a stage magician. In that case, the basic facts are: Yes, calcium is good stuff, and it's critical to every cell in the body. But the misdirection is: coral calcium isn't a great source of calcium, and Bob Barefoot was basically going after your money.

In the case of "The Fiber Menace" the truth part is:

1. Your gut is supposed to have trillions of bacteria, 
2. They need to be the right kind of bacteria,
3. Grain fibers (the ones touted in the 70's) are problematic in that they are rather irritating and also block nutrients.

The parts about bacteria that he doesn't mention, and maybe doesn't know about, are:

1. The bacteria in your lower intestine eat mainly semi-indigestible polysaccharides, which are basically a kind of fiber. They don't get fed UNLESS you feed them fiber, because everything else you eat gets absorbed before it gets there.

2. Those bacteria are the main source of butyrate. If you eat butyrate, then it gets absorbed before it reaches the colon. 

3. Butyrate is the preferred food of your gut cells. It also kills colon cancer cells.  

So not eating fiber is very bad for your gut! It is possible that eating a lot of fat might feed those butyrate-producing cells, but you would have to eat more fat than your body will absorb in the upper gut, which is a LOT of fat. Usually when people stop eating polysaccharides though, they stop producing the good bacteria.

Now, the other thing is that he is putting all fiber into the same bucket. A lot of the "fiber" that has been touted as "good" is grain fiber, esp. wheat germ and whole wheat. Anyone who knows me knows I think that if there is such a thing as a "bad" food, wheat is it! The gluten in wheat gloms on to the villi in the gut and temporarily prevents them from working correctly, or, if you are celiac, permanently damages them. Wheat is likely at the root for a *whole lot* of the gut problems in the West. The idea that you can write a book about gut damage and not mention gluten is just weird.

But the husk of wheat is also very bad. It's really, really rough: like sandpaper. Also it contains antinutrients that are good at glomming on to nutrients and getting them out of your system. I do think that people who eat that kind of fiber show some better health in one way though: wheat bran blocks absorption of iron, and we absorb too much iron from our diets. The Japanese though, drink tea with their meals, which does the same thing. 

The idea that the Japanese don't eat much "fiber" is hogwash. They might peel their eggplant, but they eat a LOT of vegetables, and also some incredibly good fibers like seaweed, konjac, daikon and sata-imo yams. It is true they are smart enough to not eat brown rice. Basically they are noted for eating lots of "gooey vegetables" ... the kind that are full of the right polysaccharides.

Some of the research done on butyrate concentrates on wheat bran, which is why I think it might have gained popularity:


But in that study, they used oats, guar, or wheat bran ... none of them are an ideal fiber, and there is no cuisine that uses guar much at all (it's a new thing). Konjac yam works better, I think, with fewer effects:


As for the fermentation and bloating ... yes, that is what you get when you have bacteria in your gut! Once you get the right bacteria, there isn't so much bloating or gas ... part of that is just getting used to eating the right foods. A lot of the "gas producers" though aren't bacteria, they are yeast, and they thrive off quickly-digesting foods, esp. stuff like baked goods. They tend to go away though, if you eat the polysaccharides with them (konjac is especially good in that regard, probably pectin too).

I also think Fast-5 helps in this regard, and it was one of my initial reasons for doing it. It is VERY IMPORTANT to have your gut bacteria properly regulated. I think having the gut be EMPTY for some hours lets the gut do housecleaning. Kind of like what happens when you take off your shoes every night to let them air out. If you wear the same shoes all the time they stink worse and worse ... because they get too many of the wrong kind of bacteria in them. I think something similar happens when you fast between meals. The worse kinds of bacteria and yeast die back, and the ones you need (like boulardii) can take over.

Anyway, the information I got was from his website, not his book, so maybe he has some incredible insight there. Mostly what I've gotten though is that it's another "demonize this food" book. We really, really like to demonize one food or another, and we do it without much nuance: we've gone from "sugar is evil" to "fat is evil" to "meat is evil" to now, "fiber is evil". The people who fight against this usually do the insipid "moderation in all things!" response, which really doesn't mean anything (moderate amounts of toxic mushrooms are still very toxic). Fact is though, your brain runs mainly on sugar, protein is essential to your body, and your gut likes fiber, esp. certain kinds of fiber.

The fact is, food is complicated. Human beings have managed for thousands of years to simplify it by means of "cuisines" and "food traditions" ... some cuisines work better than others at keeping people healthy. Turning a cuisine into a chemistry experiment using "macronutrients" as ingredients just doesn't work very well, because there are many kinds of fats, proteins, sugars, and fibers ... and the SOURCE of each is important, as is the freshness and quality. 

The thing is ... YOU have a really good chemistry set built into your brain. You might not be able to say the exact number of grams of fiber or fat in your dinner, but in fact is, if your appestat is working and you are allowing it to work, your body does calculate exactly how much of each nutrient you need right now, and will regulate your intake with incredible accuracy. Your nose and tongue are also very good at detecting fresh food, and when fat is rancid. In order for this system to work, you have to unlearn the "clean your plate!" attitude many of us grew up with. Also the "eat what you are served" attitude. And the "the advertisement looks so good!" attitude. I really and truly think a lot of what I used to eat I ate just because I was "supposed to", either because "everyone else thinks it is great" (donuts!) or "it is good for you, you should eat it".

You need to get some of that "food snobbery" kind of attitude ... don't eat it if it doesn't taste good. Don't eat stuff that makes you feel lousy 2 hours later or the next day. If you have gut issues: keep a food log, see how your gut feels after eating certain foods.

Then: pursue foods that DO make you feel good. I mean, when you get a dinner that just makes you feel great, that tastes great ...write it down. It's a winner! Find really amazing recipes. Explore new fruits (mangoes are awesome!). 

Then you can ignore the "food experts" for a bit, and listen to the chefs. Really GOOD cuisine also happens to be really good for you, oddly enough**. And fast to make too.


**(Ok, I make the caveat that I substitute other stuff for "wheat" when I cook ... wheat is one food I will demonize ... but part of why I do it is that it's so ubiquitous in our food chain that people don't think about it as a possible problem).


Sorry that got kind of long. It IS a complicated subject! 

-- Heather T.
 
 
 
 


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Saturday, October 30, 2010

[fast5] Fiber Menace.. Thoughts?

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:07 pm, Heather Twist wrote:
>> I just finished a book called, 'Fiber Menace' which says that for most
>> of human time, we have had a bacteria based diet. Now parts of the
>> world
>> are in this new era of a fiber based diet, and it is wreaking havoc on
>> many people's systems. He says brown rice is actually too fibrous, and
>> white rice is better. Hmmm...

> There are sooo many holes in the Fiber Menace thing that I don't know
> where to start.

I would love to hear your thoughts about this... I'm gullible, and
bought what he was saying, hook, line, and sinker. Some perspective
would be awesome.


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Re: [fast5] Rice Re: ancient diets and hunting



i feel indifferent towards rice, grains, pasta and breads also....

chantelle

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> See, and I did the opposite. I never ate rice. Until I started eating fish
> and stir fry ... then it seemed to "need" the rice.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:38 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > I used to be macrobiotic. We ate a lot of brown rice. A LOT. I liked it.
> > One of my teachers wrote in his book (about the importance of chewing) that
> > if you chew brown rice long enough you get a spiritual high. My friend who
> > was macrobiotic said she felt this, but I never did.
> >
> > Now I don't eat that way anymore, I follow a paleo diet - no grains. I am
> > surprised I don't miss rice: I don't crave it at all. I feel indifferent
> > toward rice, grains, pasta, breads... I could care less. I only eat them
> > once n a blue moon to be polite if I am visiting someone.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
>




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Re: [fast5] Rice Re: ancient diets and hunting





On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:16 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
Did you ever get high from chewing rice?

Um, no. Also I really dislike brown rice. I DID try to follow a macrobiotic
diet very briefly ... I think I lasted 3 days. 

I do get high from eating bread though. I think I was on a 30-year high from that.

Chewing food a lot does great things with enzymes. Your saliva enzymes turn rice
into sugar. That is how they used to make saki .... women (supposedly virgins ... )
chewed the rice and spat it into a container to ferment.

However, I have enough texture issues that I can barely chew food at all. When
I was a kid I actually had nightmares about "rice texture" ... which makes it interesting
that I like it now. I still cannot eat pancakes ... the smell and look is great, but my
mouth can't handle the texture.

 
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[fast5] Rice Re: ancient diets and hunting

I remember now my macrobiotic counselor's name: Lino Stanchich. He wrote a book: "Power Eating Program: You Are How You Eat" that's all about how important it is to chew your food thoroughly. His father survived Nazi concentration camps, partly because he chewed his food thoroughly. In that book, he says that if you chew brown rice very well for a long time, you can get high from it. I was never able to do it though. My friend could. I don't have the book anymore.
I liked him, he was a great guy.


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
>
> Did you ever get high from chewing rice?
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> >
> > See, and I did the opposite. I never ate rice. Until I started eating fish
> > and stir fry ... then it seemed to "need" the rice.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:38 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> >
> > > I used to be macrobiotic. We ate a lot of brown rice. A LOT. I liked it.
> > > One of my teachers wrote in his book (about the importance of chewing) that
> > > if you chew brown rice long enough you get a spiritual high. My friend who
> > > was macrobiotic said she felt this, but I never did.
> > >
> > > Now I don't eat that way anymore, I follow a paleo diet - no grains. I am
> > > surprised I don't miss rice: I don't crave it at all. I feel indifferent
> > > toward rice, grains, pasta, breads... I could care less. I only eat them
> > > once n a blue moon to be polite if I am visiting someone.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> >
>


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[fast5] Rice Re: ancient diets and hunting

Did you ever get high from chewing rice?


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> See, and I did the opposite. I never ate rice. Until I started eating fish
> and stir fry ... then it seemed to "need" the rice.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:38 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > I used to be macrobiotic. We ate a lot of brown rice. A LOT. I liked it.
> > One of my teachers wrote in his book (about the importance of chewing) that
> > if you chew brown rice long enough you get a spiritual high. My friend who
> > was macrobiotic said she felt this, but I never did.
> >
> > Now I don't eat that way anymore, I follow a paleo diet - no grains. I am
> > surprised I don't miss rice: I don't crave it at all. I feel indifferent
> > toward rice, grains, pasta, breads... I could care less. I only eat them
> > once n a blue moon to be polite if I am visiting someone.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
>


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Re: [fast5] ancient diets and hunting Re: Dealing with Hunger??




On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:24 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have any problems which makes me want to restrict carbohydrate. It's just that having a lot of carbs goes against the "Bible" of Taubes and Eades.

Like most questions, dietary..."Who ya gonna believe?"

Barnaby


Well, hey, Bruce Lee ate white rice, and he did ok body wise. Like Dr. Herring says though: do what works for you. There are a lot of people making a living giving advice to people.


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See, and I did the opposite. I never ate rice. Until I started eating fish and stir fry ... then it seemed to "need" the rice.



On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:38 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
I used to be macrobiotic. We ate a lot of brown rice. A LOT. I liked it.
One of my teachers wrote in his book (about the importance of chewing) that if you chew brown rice long enough you get a spiritual high. My friend who was macrobiotic said she felt this, but I never did.

Now I don't eat that way anymore, I follow a paleo diet - no grains. I am surprised I don't miss rice: I don't crave it at all. I feel indifferent toward rice, grains, pasta, breads... I could care less. I only eat them once n a blue moon to be polite if I am visiting someone.



 
 


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[fast5] Rice Re: ancient diets and hunting

I used to be macrobiotic. We ate a lot of brown rice. A LOT. I liked it.
One of my teachers wrote in his book (about the importance of chewing) that if you chew brown rice long enough you get a spiritual high. My friend who was macrobiotic said she felt this, but I never did.

Now I don't eat that way anymore, I follow a paleo diet - no grains. I am surprised I don't miss rice: I don't crave it at all. I feel indifferent toward rice, grains, pasta, breads... I could care less. I only eat them once n a blue moon to be polite if I am visiting someone.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@...> wrote:
>
> I just finished a book called, 'Fiber Menace' which says that for most
> of human time, we have had a bacteria based diet. Now parts of the world
> are in this new era of a fiber based diet, and it is wreaking havoc on
> many people's systems. He says brown rice is actually too fibrous, and
> white rice is better. Hmmm...
>
> Although, in the book, 'Sugar Shock' or 'Sugar Blues' - can't remember
> which - the author says that communities who switched to white rice this
> century started having a lot more health problems... Double hmmm...
>
> I personally am not eating grains, and feel much better. But my partner
> and son miss rice sorely. Things that make you go hmmm...
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 9:37 am, foxchyck wrote:
> > Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the
> > morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice
> > you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there. Was it that it
> > *wasn't* enriched?
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:41 AM, barnabywalker
> >> <barnabywalker@>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > With all the studying you do, I'm surprised you don't know "why"
> >> the high
> >> > carb white rice works. But hey, not everyone is willing to
> >> experiment, as
> >> > you, growing "flying" chickenfeed. ;-)
> >> >
> >>
> >> LOL! Yeah, I have a VERY tolerant family.
> >>
> >> I do have one theory about why this diet works. It has to do with the
> >> appestat and food predictivity (I don't know if that's a word, so
> >> maybe I
> >> made it up).
> >>
> >> Rats don't get fat normally, even when you way overfeed them and they
> >> don't
> >> get any exercise. The food just sits and gets moldy. To do "fat rats"
> >> experiments, you need a special breed of rat.
> >>
> >> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day.
> >> The rat
> >> knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If they
> >> are
> >> given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of that,
> >> to get
> >> exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also according to other
> >> nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what to eat.
> >>
> >> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a
> >> protein
> >> shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In general, it
> >> will
> >> eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day after day.
> >>
> >> If the protein shake doesn't have enough of one nutrient, then the
> >> rat might
> >> eat too many calories though ... in order to get that nutrient.
> >>
> >> And here is the kicker: if you CHANGE the protein shake, then the rat
> >> eats
> >> too much or too little for a couple of days, until its brain figures
> >> out how
> >> much to eat. It can't predict, based on taste, what are the contents
> >> of the
> >> shake.
> >>
> >> So with human beings ... in most times and places, people had
> >> something we
> >> call a "food culture" or a "cuisine". Most families had, say, 10-12
> >> recipes
> >> that they cooked a LOT ... roast chicken on Sunday, say, or baked
> >> potatoes
> >> and steak, or rice and beans. Or whatever. But people's brains knew
> >> what was
> >> in the food, because it was the same food. And when Mom baked you a
> >> cookie
> >> ... it was Mom's cookie recipe that she always made, and your brain
> >> knew how
> >> many to eat.
> >>
> >> Also, Mom made meals in such a way that they filled you UP. She
> >> didn't want
> >> to waste food, or have you whining for more in an hour or two. She
> >> probably
> >> didn't think about this much, just, tended to make stuff that made
> >> you full
> >> and happy.
> >>
> >> Now, what happens today with food?
> >>
> >> First, it's not Mom making it. It's some food company. And that food
> >> company
> >> is not at all interested in filling you UP. They want you to eat
> >> LOTS. And
> >> they do tests to see: how many cookies will people eat? They tend to
> >> choose
> >> the recipes where testers eat LOTS of cookies. I don't really blame
> >> MSG
> >> here: I think it's more the case that Mom used lots of eggs and some
> >> butter
> >> and milk and such so Mom's cookies had plenty of nutrients and protein
> >> (because again: she wanted you to be full). Cookie companies don't
> >> use those
> >> ingredients so much: they are expensive, and also, they fill people
> >> up, so
> >> people don't eat so many of them.
> >>
> >> Second, your brain can't predict what is in the food. The food
> >> companies are
> >> all different, and they change their recipes whenever they feel like
> >> it. Two
> >> snack bars can look and taste alike and be wildly different in calorie
> >> content. It's even worse with stuff like hamburgers and fries.
> >>
> >> So your average Asian meal consists of rice, plus some toppings for
> >> the
> >> rice. You can eat more rice, or less rice. More toppings, or less
> >> toppings.
> >> Usually there is a choice of toppings at each meal.
> >>
> >> What happens? First, your body knows what "rice" is. It can predict
> >> the
> >> calorie content really easily. It knows exactly how much of it to eat.
> >> Second, you can change the meal content according to what you NEED to
> >> eat,
> >> rather than according to "serving size".
> >>
> >> So when I say my family tends to eat "one chicken thigh" worth of
> >> chicken
> >> ... it's not because that's what I tell them to eat. That is just my
> >> observation. I serve vegies, rice, meat, sauces. They eat what they
> >> feel
> >> like eating. If I cook one huge yummy steak per person ... they still
> >> only
> >> eat part of one steak. And they only eat about a cup of rice. It's
> >> actually
> >> pretty consistent. But sometimes my daughter will just pig out and
> >> eat a
> >> huge amount of one thing. She stays pretty much the same weight
> >> always.
> >>
> >> Also, "gelatinized" starches act differently in your body than "dry"
> >> starches. I'm not sure what all the differences are, but part of it is
> >> bacteriological. If you feed a horse dry oats, too many of them, the
> >> horse
> >> will die. The bacteria overgrow and the horse gets acidosis. But,
> >> horses
> >> race faster if they get more oats, so they do "extruded" oats, where
> >> the
> >> oats are gelatinized, kind of like oat spaghetti. Those don't kill the
> >> horse.
> >>
> >> Steamed rice is gelatinized. Rice crackers are not. So eating steamed
> >> rice
> >> with a meal makes sense to me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think I'll have to go back to a more controlled experiment of white
> >> rice
> >> > and salmon, being sure that white rice is the only source of carbs.
> >> It
> >> > doesn't make sense that high carbs of white rice would be good, but
> >> it
> >> > hasn't at first glance logically made sense that Fats are good for
> >> us,
> >> > either.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You might want to stick in some good greens too, and a
> >> garlic/ginger/whatever sauce. You body wants the stuff that is in
> >> greens
> >> too, I think.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the reports on your experiments, I'm going back to read
> >> more of
> >> > your blog.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I hope it doesn't warp your mind too badly :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Barnaby
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Heather Twist
> >> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >
> >
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I don't have any problems which makes me want to restrict carbohydrate. It's just that having a lot of carbs goes against the "Bible" of Taubes and Eades.

Like most questions, dietary..."Who ya gonna believe?"

Barnaby


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salmon is not my favorite fish.
> >
> >
> > Awfully tasty when I throw in some cashews to make a salmon version of
> > "cashew chicken" with the rice.
> >
>
> Hey, any meat is good that way! I do cook salmon a fair bit, mostly because
> my family likes boneless foods better. But I crave fish fat I think. Once I
> got several pounds of "salmon bellies" ... the part they throw away when the
> make the fillets ... and those made an even better stir-fry. $1 a lb too. I
> just wish I could get a steady supply.
>
> Salmon skin is very good. For some reason they don't scale the fish, so I
> scale it when I buy it before freezing. My family won't eat the skin, so I
> do. Really, my issue with salmon is mainly that it is so big it's usually
> cooked as "fillets", which are lacking the good parts. BTW when bears catch
> salmon ... they eat the bellies and toss away the rest of the fish. I agree
> with the bears.
>
>
>
> > We study so many things that I thank you for opening my mind that we might
> > be over-thinking things. I'm going to go back to not being afraid to eat
> > high carb white rice,with the thought that fasting is my "ace in the hole"
> > if the high carb rice really is bad.
> >
>
> Thanks for making me think it through! I think I do things intuitively, but
> when I have to write about it, then I think more about it.
>
> I am curious though about the "bad" comment above. Do you have a blood sugar
> problem? Do you measure your blood sugar after meals? Or, what exactly are
> you expecting as a problem after eating rice?
>
> I did measure my blood glucose for some time, because I was trying to figure
> out why I crashed when I didn't eat. Also I wanted to figure out the
> "glycemic curve" of my meals (as opposed to specific foods). What I found
> was weird: my glucose curve DROPPED after meals, and rose when I got hungry.
> No matter what I ate, my blood sugar never rose, unless it was like, a whole
> lot of raw cookie dough.
>
> What I came to believe, based on that, was that I had a problem digesting
> starches. So I started taking konjac with meals ... I don't do that always
> now, but I stopped having problems with sugars and starches, digestive-wise.
>
> I'm not sure what exactly fixed the problem ... my guesses would be:
>
> 1. Fast-5 makes more enzymes available for that one meal.
> 2. Eating ginger/cayenne/vinegar with meals are known digestive aides.
> 3. Eating konjac for some time fixed the bacterial imbalance.
> 4. I got "used to" eating starches again.
> 5. The long-term damage I had from gluten healed eventually (According to my
> doctor, I am probably celiac).
>
> But there ARE people who can't digest starches well, speaking as a former
> member of that community. I don't believe that makes starches evil ... there
> are also people who can't digest proteins, and others that can't digest
> fats, and some that can't handle fiber. If ALL of those are evil, then we
> need to give up food! :-) I think most people can heal though, and it's
> worth the effort. Food is good stuff, and meant to be enjoyed, not suffered
> through.
>
> >
> > --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>


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Hint for defrosting: 


Keep some salt around (whatever kind of salt suits your fancy). When you forget to defrost something, heat up half a gallon or a gallon of water (hot faucet water is fine) and dissolve some salt in it, like half a cup. Toss in some wine, vinegar, spices etc. if you feel like it. Then toss in your frozen meat.

It will defrost quickly AND BONUS: brine at the same time. Brining changes the protein structure so it cooks up better, keeps more moisture.


On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, I need to do that more. Last night I didn't plan my meal. At 5:30ish, I looked around, the meat was frozen... while I was waiting for it to defrost and cook I was eating this coconut milk "ice cream" - sugar! I am OK, but not a habit I want to form.... LOL.
Sugar can give me headaches, I have to be careful about it.
  
 


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On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@gmail.com> wrote:

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Salmon is not my favorite fish.


Awfully tasty when I throw in some cashews to make a salmon version of "cashew chicken" with the rice.

Hey, any meat is good that way! I do cook salmon a fair bit, mostly because my family likes boneless foods better. But I crave fish fat I think. Once I got several pounds of "salmon bellies" ... the part they throw away when the make the fillets ... and those made an even better stir-fry. $1 a lb too. I just wish I could get a steady supply.

Salmon skin is very good. For some reason they don't scale the fish, so I scale it when I buy it before freezing. My family won't eat the skin, so I do. Really, my issue with salmon is mainly that it is so big it's usually cooked as "fillets", which are lacking the good parts. BTW when bears catch salmon ... they eat the bellies and toss away the rest of the fish. I agree with the bears.

 
We study so many things that I thank you for opening my mind that we might be over-thinking things. I'm going to go back to not being afraid to eat high carb white rice,with the thought that fasting is my "ace in the hole" if the high carb rice really is bad.

Thanks for making me think it through! I think I do things intuitively, but when I have to write about it, then I think more about it.

I am curious though about the "bad" comment above. Do you have a blood sugar problem? Do you measure your blood sugar after meals? Or, what exactly are you expecting as a problem after eating rice?

I did measure my blood glucose for some time, because I was trying to figure out why I crashed when I didn't eat. Also I wanted to figure out the "glycemic curve" of my meals (as opposed to specific foods). What I found was weird: my glucose curve DROPPED after meals, and rose when I got hungry. No matter what I ate, my blood sugar never rose, unless it was like, a whole lot of raw cookie dough.

What I came to believe, based on that, was that I had a problem digesting starches. So I started taking konjac with meals ... I don't do that always now, but I stopped having problems with sugars and starches, digestive-wise.

I'm not sure what exactly fixed the problem ... my guesses would be:

1. Fast-5 makes more enzymes available for that one meal.
2. Eating ginger/cayenne/vinegar with meals are known digestive aides.
3. Eating konjac for some time fixed the bacterial imbalance.
4. I got "used to" eating starches again.
5. The long-term damage I had from gluten healed eventually (According to my doctor, I am probably celiac).
 
But there ARE people who can't digest starches well, speaking as a former member of that community. I don't believe that makes starches evil ... there are also people who can't digest proteins, and others that can't digest fats, and some that can't handle fiber. If ALL of those are evil, then we need to give up food! :-) I think most people can heal though, and it's worth the effort. Food is good stuff, and meant to be enjoyed, not suffered through.

--
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http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
 
 


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On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:
I just finished a book called, 'Fiber Menace' which says that for most
of human time, we have had a bacteria based diet. Now parts of the world
are in this new era of a fiber based diet, and it is wreaking havoc on
many people's systems. He says brown rice is actually too fibrous, and
white rice is better. Hmmm...

Although, in the book, 'Sugar Shock' or 'Sugar Blues' - can't remember
which - the author says that communities who switched to white rice this
century started having a lot more health problems... Double hmmm...

I personally am not eating grains, and feel much better. But my partner
and son miss rice sorely. Things that make you go hmmm...

There are sooo many holes in the Fiber Menace thing that I don't know where to start. I do agree with him though when it comes to *grain husks*. Grains have a husk for one reason: to avoid getting eaten. Husks are about as good for you as sawdust. (Fiber in the form of semi-digestible polysaccharides though is awesome stuff!).

White rice is more problematic than it used to be because it was changed. It used to have more Vit A in it, but it was bred to be more prolific, now it lacks Vit A. This really is NOT a problem for those on a traditional diet who get enough food (AKA modern Japanese). It's a problem for people eating a marginal diet. Grains just don't have all that many vitamins in *any* form ... the minerals and vitamins are mostly in the husk, and the husk also interferes with vitamin absorption, so you should not depend on them for nutrients. Just calories or satiation or whatever it is rice does.

The rice has been re-engineered (not GMO, so it doesn't freak people out) to have Vit A again. But it's yellow, so they have to get people used to it.

Seriously though, it's not something you or I or the average Japanese person has to deal with. A handful of dried fish or shrimp or collards beats out any amount of the old rice in terms of essential nutrients. Or one egg. Or some butter. Or dandelion greens (Is there anywhere in America that does NOT have dandelions?). If you are ONLY eating rice ... nothing else ... then yes, that is a problem over time. No one does that willingly though.


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On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:29 AM, foxchyck <foxeye@jungle-fire.com> wrote:
Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there.  Was it that it *wasn't* enriched?

I get the rice that is "packaged for export" ... aka it is sold at the Asian stores and has artistic characters on it that I can't read. Or at Costco (our Costco carries a lot of stuff for Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese restaurants). It is not enriched, which is important to me because my iron levels get too high if I'm not careful. But also ... it tastes better. Really. I used to laugh at my friends who were "so picky" about rice, but  now I'm picky too. 

Japanese, Korean, and Chinese rice are each different. "Sweet rice" and "Sushi rice" are different too. By and large I've found it's like wine: the more you pay, the better it is, but the cheaper stuff isn't bad either as long as it's not labelled "fortified" <g>.  Homai brand is pretty good. I like medium grain, the kind that kind of sticks together. Some people prefer the longer grain which is "fluffy", which I can't stand these days, but if you like it, the Costco Basmati rice is good. (the fluffy rice is better if you cook it with turmeric and other spices, then fluff it with a little oil before serving).

 
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On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:06 am, Heather Twist wrote:
> Salmon is not my favorite fish. I like small bony fish, preferably with
> the skin. And often, in Asian stores, they are sold with the guts too
> (esp. if they are full of roe, which is wonderful). Whole baby fish are
> big in Asian cuisine (they are sold as a bar snack too!). They are
> extremely filling and loaded with nutrients.

I would love to try this! There is a huge Asian market near my home.
With a large fish counter. What do I ask for? If they even understand me
this time! Or maybe I should bring a picture... what are the small fish
called, so I can find a pic on the internet? Esp the ones with roe?

Thank you!

The ones with roe are usually yellow croaker. You can tell they have roe because they are uncleaned and very fat. But I don't know the names of them mostly either ... I just point and smile. They have a lot of good frozen fish too. The Asian stores around here have amazing vegetables too: way better quality, more variety, cheaper prices. I love coming home with a big bag of lichis or mangosteens.

I have a Korean cookbook, and a Japanese cookbook (and there's lots of stuff on the Internet and at the library), so I find stuff in there too. Mostly it's pretty easy, just different.

The dried fish look like this:



They take a bit of psychological getting used to, but they are one of the most nutritious foods anywhere (they are used for feeding expensive birds too). I am not an expert at cooking them (yet!) so I often buy them pre-cooked in a kind of sweet chili sauce at the Korean store. You can just sautee them in hot oil and sprinkle salt on them too ... it's the Asian version of hot peanuts (ok, they have hot peanuts too, which are also awesome).

Don't forget that it is chestnut season too ... fresh hot chestnuts! They have nice fresh ones at our Asian stores too.

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 8:06 am, Heather Twist wrote:
> Salmon is not my favorite fish. I like small bony fish, preferably with
> the skin. And often, in Asian stores, they are sold with the guts too
> (esp. if they are full of roe, which is wonderful). Whole baby fish are
> big in Asian cuisine (they are sold as a bar snack too!). They are
> extremely filling and loaded with nutrients.

I would love to try this! There is a huge Asian market near my home.
With a large fish counter. What do I ask for? If they even understand me
this time! Or maybe I should bring a picture... what are the small fish
called, so I can find a pic on the internet? Esp the ones with roe?

Thank you!


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--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
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> Salmon is not my favorite fish.


Awfully tasty when I throw in some cashews to make a salmon version of "cashew chicken" with the rice.

We study so many things that I thank you for opening my mind that we might be over-thinking things. I'm going to go back to not being afraid to eat high carb white rice,with the thought that fasting is my "ace in the hole" if the high carb rice really is bad.

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I find this absolutely fascinating! Thank you for posting.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 7:48 am, Heather Twist wrote:
> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day.
> The rat knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If
> they are given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of
> that, to get exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also
> according to other nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what
> to eat.
>
> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a
> protein shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In
> general, it will eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day
> after day.


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I just finished a book called, 'Fiber Menace' which says that for most
of human time, we have had a bacteria based diet. Now parts of the world
are in this new era of a fiber based diet, and it is wreaking havoc on
many people's systems. He says brown rice is actually too fibrous, and
white rice is better. Hmmm...

Although, in the book, 'Sugar Shock' or 'Sugar Blues' - can't remember
which - the author says that communities who switched to white rice this
century started having a lot more health problems... Double hmmm...

I personally am not eating grains, and feel much better. But my partner
and son miss rice sorely. Things that make you go hmmm...


On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 9:37 am, foxchyck wrote:
> Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the
> morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice
> you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there. Was it that it
> *wasn't* enriched?
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:41 AM, barnabywalker
>> <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > With all the studying you do, I'm surprised you don't know "why"
>> the high
>> > carb white rice works. But hey, not everyone is willing to
>> experiment, as
>> > you, growing "flying" chickenfeed. ;-)
>> >
>>
>> LOL! Yeah, I have a VERY tolerant family.
>>
>> I do have one theory about why this diet works. It has to do with the
>> appestat and food predictivity (I don't know if that's a word, so
>> maybe I
>> made it up).
>>
>> Rats don't get fat normally, even when you way overfeed them and they
>> don't
>> get any exercise. The food just sits and gets moldy. To do "fat rats"
>> experiments, you need a special breed of rat.
>>
>> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day.
>> The rat
>> knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If they
>> are
>> given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of that,
>> to get
>> exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also according to other
>> nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what to eat.
>>
>> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a
>> protein
>> shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In general, it
>> will
>> eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day after day.
>>
>> If the protein shake doesn't have enough of one nutrient, then the
>> rat might
>> eat too many calories though ... in order to get that nutrient.
>>
>> And here is the kicker: if you CHANGE the protein shake, then the rat
>> eats
>> too much or too little for a couple of days, until its brain figures
>> out how
>> much to eat. It can't predict, based on taste, what are the contents
>> of the
>> shake.
>>
>> So with human beings ... in most times and places, people had
>> something we
>> call a "food culture" or a "cuisine". Most families had, say, 10-12
>> recipes
>> that they cooked a LOT ... roast chicken on Sunday, say, or baked
>> potatoes
>> and steak, or rice and beans. Or whatever. But people's brains knew
>> what was
>> in the food, because it was the same food. And when Mom baked you a
>> cookie
>> ... it was Mom's cookie recipe that she always made, and your brain
>> knew how
>> many to eat.
>>
>> Also, Mom made meals in such a way that they filled you UP. She
>> didn't want
>> to waste food, or have you whining for more in an hour or two. She
>> probably
>> didn't think about this much, just, tended to make stuff that made
>> you full
>> and happy.
>>
>> Now, what happens today with food?
>>
>> First, it's not Mom making it. It's some food company. And that food
>> company
>> is not at all interested in filling you UP. They want you to eat
>> LOTS. And
>> they do tests to see: how many cookies will people eat? They tend to
>> choose
>> the recipes where testers eat LOTS of cookies. I don't really blame
>> MSG
>> here: I think it's more the case that Mom used lots of eggs and some
>> butter
>> and milk and such so Mom's cookies had plenty of nutrients and protein
>> (because again: she wanted you to be full). Cookie companies don't
>> use those
>> ingredients so much: they are expensive, and also, they fill people
>> up, so
>> people don't eat so many of them.
>>
>> Second, your brain can't predict what is in the food. The food
>> companies are
>> all different, and they change their recipes whenever they feel like
>> it. Two
>> snack bars can look and taste alike and be wildly different in calorie
>> content. It's even worse with stuff like hamburgers and fries.
>>
>> So your average Asian meal consists of rice, plus some toppings for
>> the
>> rice. You can eat more rice, or less rice. More toppings, or less
>> toppings.
>> Usually there is a choice of toppings at each meal.
>>
>> What happens? First, your body knows what "rice" is. It can predict
>> the
>> calorie content really easily. It knows exactly how much of it to eat.
>> Second, you can change the meal content according to what you NEED to
>> eat,
>> rather than according to "serving size".
>>
>> So when I say my family tends to eat "one chicken thigh" worth of
>> chicken
>> ... it's not because that's what I tell them to eat. That is just my
>> observation. I serve vegies, rice, meat, sauces. They eat what they
>> feel
>> like eating. If I cook one huge yummy steak per person ... they still
>> only
>> eat part of one steak. And they only eat about a cup of rice. It's
>> actually
>> pretty consistent. But sometimes my daughter will just pig out and
>> eat a
>> huge amount of one thing. She stays pretty much the same weight
>> always.
>>
>> Also, "gelatinized" starches act differently in your body than "dry"
>> starches. I'm not sure what all the differences are, but part of it is
>> bacteriological. If you feed a horse dry oats, too many of them, the
>> horse
>> will die. The bacteria overgrow and the horse gets acidosis. But,
>> horses
>> race faster if they get more oats, so they do "extruded" oats, where
>> the
>> oats are gelatinized, kind of like oat spaghetti. Those don't kill the
>> horse.
>>
>> Steamed rice is gelatinized. Rice crackers are not. So eating steamed
>> rice
>> with a meal makes sense to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I'll have to go back to a more controlled experiment of white
>> rice
>> > and salmon, being sure that white rice is the only source of carbs.
>> It
>> > doesn't make sense that high carbs of white rice would be good, but
>> it
>> > hasn't at first glance logically made sense that Fats are good for
>> us,
>> > either.
>> >
>>
>> You might want to stick in some good greens too, and a
>> garlic/ginger/whatever sauce. You body wants the stuff that is in
>> greens
>> too, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks for the reports on your experiments, I'm going back to read
>> more of
>> > your blog.
>> >
>>
>> I hope it doesn't warp your mind too badly :-)
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Barnaby
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Heather Twist
>> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>>
>
>

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[fast5] ancient diets and hunting Re: Dealing with Hunger??

Heather, could you remind me again (because it's too early in the morning to use search :P)...wasn't there something about the white rice you use that wasn't precisely like most rice out there. Was it that it *wasn't* enriched?


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:41 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > With all the studying you do, I'm surprised you don't know "why" the high
> > carb white rice works. But hey, not everyone is willing to experiment, as
> > you, growing "flying" chickenfeed. ;-)
> >
>
> LOL! Yeah, I have a VERY tolerant family.
>
> I do have one theory about why this diet works. It has to do with the
> appestat and food predictivity (I don't know if that's a word, so maybe I
> made it up).
>
> Rats don't get fat normally, even when you way overfeed them and they don't
> get any exercise. The food just sits and gets moldy. To do "fat rats"
> experiments, you need a special breed of rat.
>
> But here is the deal: the rat gets the same rat chow, day after day. The rat
> knows exactly how much to eat, because it is THE SAME FOOD. If they are
> given separate foods, the rat eats a bit of this and a bit of that, to get
> exactly the right carb/fat/protein ratio, and also according to other
> nutrients it needs. That little rat brain knows what to eat.
>
> However, if you don't feed the rat "real" food ... you give it a protein
> shake, say ... then the rat can't choose what to eat. In general, it will
> eat just the right amount of protein shake though, day after day.
>
> If the protein shake doesn't have enough of one nutrient, then the rat might
> eat too many calories though ... in order to get that nutrient.
>
> And here is the kicker: if you CHANGE the protein shake, then the rat eats
> too much or too little for a couple of days, until its brain figures out how
> much to eat. It can't predict, based on taste, what are the contents of the
> shake.
>
> So with human beings ... in most times and places, people had something we
> call a "food culture" or a "cuisine". Most families had, say, 10-12 recipes
> that they cooked a LOT ... roast chicken on Sunday, say, or baked potatoes
> and steak, or rice and beans. Or whatever. But people's brains knew what was
> in the food, because it was the same food. And when Mom baked you a cookie
> ... it was Mom's cookie recipe that she always made, and your brain knew how
> many to eat.
>
> Also, Mom made meals in such a way that they filled you UP. She didn't want
> to waste food, or have you whining for more in an hour or two. She probably
> didn't think about this much, just, tended to make stuff that made you full
> and happy.
>
> Now, what happens today with food?
>
> First, it's not Mom making it. It's some food company. And that food company
> is not at all interested in filling you UP. They want you to eat LOTS. And
> they do tests to see: how many cookies will people eat? They tend to choose
> the recipes where testers eat LOTS of cookies. I don't really blame MSG
> here: I think it's more the case that Mom used lots of eggs and some butter
> and milk and such so Mom's cookies had plenty of nutrients and protein
> (because again: she wanted you to be full). Cookie companies don't use those
> ingredients so much: they are expensive, and also, they fill people up, so
> people don't eat so many of them.
>
> Second, your brain can't predict what is in the food. The food companies are
> all different, and they change their recipes whenever they feel like it. Two
> snack bars can look and taste alike and be wildly different in calorie
> content. It's even worse with stuff like hamburgers and fries.
>
> So your average Asian meal consists of rice, plus some toppings for the
> rice. You can eat more rice, or less rice. More toppings, or less toppings.
> Usually there is a choice of toppings at each meal.
>
> What happens? First, your body knows what "rice" is. It can predict the
> calorie content really easily. It knows exactly how much of it to eat.
> Second, you can change the meal content according to what you NEED to eat,
> rather than according to "serving size".
>
> So when I say my family tends to eat "one chicken thigh" worth of chicken
> ... it's not because that's what I tell them to eat. That is just my
> observation. I serve vegies, rice, meat, sauces. They eat what they feel
> like eating. If I cook one huge yummy steak per person ... they still only
> eat part of one steak. And they only eat about a cup of rice. It's actually
> pretty consistent. But sometimes my daughter will just pig out and eat a
> huge amount of one thing. She stays pretty much the same weight always.
>
> Also, "gelatinized" starches act differently in your body than "dry"
> starches. I'm not sure what all the differences are, but part of it is
> bacteriological. If you feed a horse dry oats, too many of them, the horse
> will die. The bacteria overgrow and the horse gets acidosis. But, horses
> race faster if they get more oats, so they do "extruded" oats, where the
> oats are gelatinized, kind of like oat spaghetti. Those don't kill the
> horse.
>
> Steamed rice is gelatinized. Rice crackers are not. So eating steamed rice
> with a meal makes sense to me.
>
>
>
> I think I'll have to go back to a more controlled experiment of white rice
> > and salmon, being sure that white rice is the only source of carbs. It
> > doesn't make sense that high carbs of white rice would be good, but it
> > hasn't at first glance logically made sense that Fats are good for us,
> > either.
> >
>
> You might want to stick in some good greens too, and a
> garlic/ginger/whatever sauce. You body wants the stuff that is in greens
> too, I think.
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the reports on your experiments, I'm going back to read more of
> > your blog.
> >
>
> I hope it doesn't warp your mind too badly :-)
>
>
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>


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