Saturday, January 29, 2011

Re: [fast5] Re: Headache



Do let us know your results!



On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:08 AM, omaticcan <para534@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Thanks Heather !  I will research cortisol as related to fasting.  I workout with Kettlebells days a week and pilates one day.  So plenty of exercise.  Protein and natural fats are my friend.  Have minimized carbonhydrates for over a year.  So I will add organic apple cider vinegar to my water in the afternoon.  Easy to do !

Great day to you !


 
 
 


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[fast5] Re: Headache



I do drink about 70 oz a day.......interesting

Thanks Churly


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@...> wrote:
>
> I was getting headaches, too, and found it was because I was drinking
> too much water and washing all the electrolytes out of my body. So now I
> keep my iquids to a min
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:44 am, barnabywalker wrote:
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "omaticcan" para534@ wrote:
> >>
> >> I am almost 3wks in with Fast-5 and am still getting headaches about
> >> two hours before my break-fast. It goes away slightly upon eating and
> >> makes for a bad evening. Am I the only one? When will it end?
> >>
> >
> > If your daily meal is full of fast-digesting Carbs instead of Fatty
> > Meat/Eggs, it won't carry you over into the Fast as far. Increase your
> > animal fats, instead of believing the Govt. sponsored Propaganda of
> > placing Grains and Cereals as the biggest slice of the "Food Pyramid"
> > while Demonizing Fat.
> >
> > http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/low-carb_index.html
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
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[fast5] Re: Headache



Barnaby,

Already there.......Thanks


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "omaticcan" para534@ wrote:
> >
> > I am almost 3wks in with Fast-5 and am still getting headaches about two hours before my break-fast. It goes away slightly upon eating and makes for a bad evening. Am I the only one? When will it end?
> >
>
>
> If your daily meal is full of fast-digesting Carbs instead of Fatty Meat/Eggs, it won't carry you over into the Fast as far. Increase your animal fats, instead of believing the Govt. sponsored Propaganda of placing Grains and Cereals as the biggest slice of the "Food Pyramid" while Demonizing Fat.
>
> http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/low-carb_index.html
>
> Barnaby
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[fast5] Re: Headache

Thanks Heather ! I will research cortisol as related to fasting. I workout with Kettlebells days a week and pilates one day. So plenty of exercise. Protein and natural fats are my friend. Have minimized carbonhydrates for over a year. So I will add organic apple cider vinegar to my water in the afternoon. Easy to do !

Great day to you !

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> The headaches are usually from too much cortisol being produced, I think.
> Cortisol gets produced when your body is tapping into stored sugar, but
> sometimes too much is produced which makes a person feel bad. The
> after-effects can last a fairly long time.
>
> One thing that helps (counterintuitively!) is exercise. That produces
> adrenaline, which counteracts the cortisol. Also drinking something sour,
> like lemon-juice tea. Vinegar in water is good too, just *before* you think
> you might get the headache. I don't know how long it takes to go away ...
> eating more protein during your eating period might help, and eating
> slower-to-digest starches, or taking some vinegar-water with your meal (or
> as salad dressing).
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:34 PM, omaticcan <para534@...> wrote:
>
> > I am almost 3wks in with Fast-5 and am still getting headaches about two
> > hours before my break-fast. It goes away slightly upon eating and makes
> > for a bad evening. Am I the only one? When will it end?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
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Friday, January 28, 2011

Re: [fast5] Re: Headache

I was getting headaches, too, and found it was because I was drinking
too much water and washing all the electrolytes out of my body. So now I
keep my iquids to a min


On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:44 am, barnabywalker wrote:
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "omaticcan" <para534@...> wrote:
>>
>> I am almost 3wks in with Fast-5 and am still getting headaches about
>> two hours before my break-fast. It goes away slightly upon eating and
>> makes for a bad evening. Am I the only one? When will it end?
>>
>
> If your daily meal is full of fast-digesting Carbs instead of Fatty
> Meat/Eggs, it won't carry you over into the Fast as far. Increase your
> animal fats, instead of believing the Govt. sponsored Propaganda of
> placing Grains and Cereals as the biggest slice of the "Food Pyramid"
> while Demonizing Fat.
>
> http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/low-carb_index.html
>
> Barnaby
>
>

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Re: [fast5] Headache



The headaches are usually from too much cortisol being produced, I think. Cortisol gets produced when your body is tapping into stored sugar, but sometimes too much is produced which makes a person feel bad. The after-effects can last a fairly long time.


One thing that helps (counterintuitively!) is exercise. That produces adrenaline, which counteracts the cortisol. Also drinking something sour, like lemon-juice tea. Vinegar in water is good too, just *before* you think you might get the headache. I don't know how long it takes to go away ... eating more protein during your eating period might help, and eating slower-to-digest starches, or taking some vinegar-water with your meal (or as salad dressing).


On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:34 PM, omaticcan <para534@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I am almost 3wks in with Fast-5 and am still getting headaches about two hours before my break-fast.  It goes away slightly upon eating and  makes for a bad evening. Am I the only one?  When will it end?



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[fast5] Re: Headache

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "omaticcan" <para534@...> wrote:
>
> I am almost 3wks in with Fast-5 and am still getting headaches about two hours before my break-fast. It goes away slightly upon eating and makes for a bad evening. Am I the only one? When will it end?
>


If your daily meal is full of fast-digesting Carbs instead of Fatty Meat/Eggs, it won't carry you over into the Fast as far. Increase your animal fats, instead of believing the Govt. sponsored Propaganda of placing Grains and Cereals as the biggest slice of the "Food Pyramid" while Demonizing Fat.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/low-carb_index.html

Barnaby


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[fast5] Re: Herschel Walker on ESPN's "Pardon the inturruption"

General McCrystal, who was fired for speaking the Truth about the lost cause of Afghanistan, followed same type of diet.

http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/personal_essays/breakfast_lunch_and_winners.php

Barnaby


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> Today at the Y my husband was watching a sports program while on the eliptical. He saw an interview with famous ex football player who played for the NFL because there was discussion of his possible comeback at age 48. He talked about his fitness program and how fit he is. The interviewer asked him about his diet. He said that he was about to make the nutritionists angry when he answered the question because he only eats one meal a day.
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> Very cool!
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Thursday, January 27, 2011

[fast5] Herschel Walker on ESPN's "Pardon the inturruption"

Today at the Y my husband was watching a sports program while on the eliptical. He saw an interview with famous ex football player who played for the NFL because there was discussion of his possible comeback at age 48. He talked about his fitness program and how fit he is. The interviewer asked him about his diet. He said that he was about to make the nutritionists angry when he answered the question because he only eats one meal a day.

Very cool!

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[fast5] Headache

I am almost 3wks in with Fast-5 and am still getting headaches about two hours before my break-fast. It goes away slightly upon eating and makes for a bad evening. Am I the only one? When will it end?

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[fast5] week 9, a full two months

well, the weight is still STILL. I feel really good so I ain't gonna quit.

thing is, I decided to exercise on a rebounder, mini trampoline. Did that for 20 minutes, and did some squats with dumbbells...after a couple of hours where I was just computer surfing I developed...PAIN in my chest.

Ended at the emergency room to assess what was on. my Cardiac history was totally clear, so...Friday I visit a gastro doc...I think this is purely my hernia...it is still a dull pain in the chest so we will see what is up with that.

As I've said before,I didn't get overweight overnight, so I will be patient with weight loss.

I am still here. Thank you for the support!
MARY

MS is still in REmission....YAHOO!

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Tuesday, January 25, 2011

[fast5] Salt - Re: Newby

Yes, I eat seaweed regularly. I take kelp powder supplements, and I put seaweeds of different kinds in my meals fairly often, though not every day.
I like shellfish, I eat it at least twice a month, maybe more often.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <rstewart@...> wrote:
>
> Where do you get your iodine? Do you include lots of shellfish and seaweed?
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@> wrote:
>
> > Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel like it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and you taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go to a restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.
> >
> > There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and himilayan pink salt.
> > I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.
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Monday, January 24, 2011

[fast5] Newbie - supplements/calorie question



Hello everyone,

 

I’m brand new to the list and to Fast 5 (2nd day!). Yesterday was fine but today my stomach is growling like crazy! J

 

So how many calories can something have and not affect the fast? I ask because I know adding a bit lemon juice to water is okay. Well I take a number of supplements each day, typically at bedtime. Some list calories. Most don’t. Do I need to take them during my 5 window? Two of them add up to 10 calories which would likely be more than the lemon juice.

 

Thanks

 

Kathy

 



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[fast5] Salt - Re: Newby

Where do you get your iodine? Do you include lots of shellfish and seaweed?


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:

> Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel like it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and you taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go to a restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.
>
> There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and himilayan pink salt.
> I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.


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[fast5] Broth: Supplements Re: Fiber

This is a really good point Tamara- when I use vinegar in my broth, it makes the bones so soft and chalky that I can actually easily EAT the bones! They just fall apart in my mouth. I can just eat them like bon-bons!! he he Marrow and all! :)

-Rick


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
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> Add some sort of acid when you boil bones - vinegar, tomato juice, or lemon juice, and it will draw out the calcium into the broth. Also, break the bones if you can and get the marrow into the broth.
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <rstewart@> wrote:
> >
> > Heather, last night I pulled the meat off of two rotisserie chickens and made no carb Texas chili. Then I took the bones and boiled them for about four hours in water and made some awesome chicken broth. Lot's of good minerals in there. Something to look forward to when I get home!
> >
> > -Rick
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The one thing I think needs to be supplemented in some diets is calcium and
> > > magnesium. In previous eras, people either at a lot of dairy or they ate
> > > some form of bones (the Asians eat whole small fish, for instance). I can't
> > > do dairy, and I don't know how add bones in our cuisine. So I do calcium
> > > tablets, which are easy. Calcium is a big part of protein and oxalate
> > > handling in the body, and it should be eaten with each meal.
> >
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[fast5] Salt - Re: Newby

Sad to see my original question about why too much salt, is always warned against by Government "experts", has degraded into the dirt.

I'll continue to take the Government recommendations as we should ALL..."with a grain of salt". ;-)

A little Salmon, Mackerel, mixed with butter, sour cream, cabbage and green beans, sprinkled with Cayenne Pepper is going to be my daily meal to hold me over for another 24 hours. My Umbrella Cockatoo, Fred, enjoys that meal, as well.

Barnaby


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> One of the Hawaiian salts I picked up had for the ingredients: sea salt,
> plus Hawaiian clay.
> Basically that is what a lot of the sea salts are: they pick up clay from
> the drying bed.
> Cheaper to buy sea salt and add some clay, IMO.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:43 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > Oh gosh, I went to the health food store today and they had 2 exotic salts:
> > Hawaiian Black Lava Salt and Red Alaea Sea Salt. They were really beautiful
> > looking.
> > They were over $7 each, little jars, so I didn't buy them as I am trying to
> > save $$ and not buy stuff I don't need, but I was really curious; I just
> > love to try new tastes.... the Red Alaea Sea Salt, said on the label that it
> > was traditional Hawaiian and had nutritional properties of some sort, I
> > don't remember.
>
> > Once I bought a "black salt" from India (actually beige colored) it tasted
> > awful, like sulfur. YUK.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > First, deer and other ruminants don't need nearly as much salt as humans
> > do.
> > > And not all humans need much either. There is a gene that appears to be
> > an
> > > adaptation to shore living, that causes some people to excrete salt and
> > > sometimes too much salt (and also might confer immunity to cholera, which
> > is
> > > spread by water snails). For myself, and my mother, our sodium levels are
> > > always chronically low, even though we tend to crave salt. My kids crave
> > > salt too. If I don't get enough salt in my diet, I start feeling faint
> > and
> > > lack energy.
> > >
> > > But there are some people who get high blood pressure when they eat too
> > much
> > > salt.
> > >
> > > So I think what should happen is: people should listen to their taste
> > buds.
> > > Ideally if you have high-enough sodium levels in your blood, your body
> > will
> > > tell you that you don't need more! Like your body should tell you about
> > how
> > > much food you need to eat.
> > >
> > > Also, I have found that since I've learned better how to cook, I need
> > less
> > > salt as a seasoning. The trick is learning how to use spices ... most of
> > > them are incredibly good for you, having anti-cancer and anti-oxidant
> > > effects, besides making food taste awesome. One thing about Stefansson's
> > > time: the English were really naive about spices! English food of the
> > time
> > > was rather horrid from a culinary perspective.
> > >
> > > I think if a person is living mostly off fish though, you wouldn't need
> > > extra salt? Seafood is pretty high in sodium. English food at the time
> > was
> > > land food, and typically very low in sodium except what was added.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:50 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > We have debated salt on my paleolithic diet group. There are
> > traditional
> > > > cultures that use salt and trade for salt, and there are wild animals
> > that
> > > > go to great lengths to get salt: elephants and deer, I believe. But
> > there
> > > > are other deer that don't eat salt, and are just as healthy. There are
> > > > traditional cultures that don't add salt to their food. Some natural
> > foods
> > > > have an amount of salt in them, like celery.
> > > >
> > > > The explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who lived with the Eskimos, reports
> > > > that they did not use salt. He explains this is part II here (scroll
> > down):
> > > > http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
> > > > That's a fascinating account, btw, I suggest to read the whole thing.
> > > >
> > > > Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel
> > like
> > > > it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and
> > you
> > > > taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go
> > to a
> > > > restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.
> > > >
> > > > There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and
> > > > himilayan pink salt.
> > > > I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.
> > > >
> > > > It's probably a question of balance, too much or too little of
> > salt....?
> > > >
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Re: [fast5] Salt - Re: Newby



One of the Hawaiian salts I picked up had for the ingredients: sea salt, plus Hawaiian clay.

Basically that is what a lot of the sea salts are: they pick up clay from the drying bed.
Cheaper to buy sea salt and add some clay, IMO.


On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:43 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
Oh gosh, I went to the health food store today and they had 2 exotic salts:
Hawaiian Black Lava Salt and Red Alaea Sea Salt. They were really beautiful looking.
They were over $7 each, little jars, so I didn't buy them as I am trying to save $$ and not buy stuff I don't need, but I was really curious; I just love to try new tastes.... the Red Alaea Sea Salt, said on the label that it was traditional Hawaiian and had nutritional properties of some sort, I don't remember.

Once I bought a "black salt" from India (actually beige colored) it tasted awful, like sulfur. YUK.



--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> First, deer and other ruminants don't need nearly as much salt as humans do.
> And not all humans need much either. There is a gene that appears to be an
> adaptation to shore living, that causes some people to excrete salt and
> sometimes too much salt (and also might confer immunity to cholera, which is
> spread by water snails). For myself, and my mother, our sodium levels are
> always chronically low, even though we tend to crave salt. My kids crave
> salt too. If I don't get enough salt in my diet, I start feeling faint and
> lack energy.
>
> But there are some people who get high blood pressure when they eat too much
> salt.
>
> So I think what should happen is: people should listen to their taste buds.
> Ideally if you have high-enough sodium levels in your blood, your body will
> tell you that you don't need more! Like your body should tell you about how
> much food you need to eat.
>
> Also, I have found that since I've learned better how to cook, I need less
> salt as a seasoning. The trick is learning how to use spices ... most of
> them are incredibly good for you, having anti-cancer and anti-oxidant
> effects, besides making food taste awesome. One thing about Stefansson's
> time: the English were really naive about spices! English food of the time
> was rather horrid from a culinary perspective.
>
> I think if a person is living mostly off fish though, you wouldn't need
> extra salt? Seafood is pretty high in sodium. English food at the time was
> land food, and typically very low in sodium except what was added.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:50 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > We have debated salt on my paleolithic diet group. There are traditional
> > cultures that use salt and trade for salt, and there are wild animals that
> > go to great lengths to get salt: elephants and deer, I believe. But there
> > are other deer that don't eat salt, and are just as healthy. There are
> > traditional cultures that don't add salt to their food. Some natural foods
> > have an amount of salt in them, like celery.
> >
> > The explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who lived with the Eskimos, reports
> > that they did not use salt. He explains this is part II here (scroll down):
> > http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
> > That's a fascinating account, btw, I suggest to read the whole thing.
> >
> > Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel like
> > it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and you
> > taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go to a
> > restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.
> >
> > There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and
> > himilayan pink salt.
> > I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.
> >
> > It's probably a question of balance, too much or too little of salt....?
> >
> >
> > ---
>




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[fast5] Salt - Re: Newby

Oh gosh, I went to the health food store today and they had 2 exotic salts:
Hawaiian Black Lava Salt and Red Alaea Sea Salt. They were really beautiful looking.
They were over $7 each, little jars, so I didn't buy them as I am trying to save $$ and not buy stuff I don't need, but I was really curious; I just love to try new tastes.... the Red Alaea Sea Salt, said on the label that it was traditional Hawaiian and had nutritional properties of some sort, I don't remember.

Once I bought a "black salt" from India (actually beige colored) it tasted awful, like sulfur. YUK.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> First, deer and other ruminants don't need nearly as much salt as humans do.
> And not all humans need much either. There is a gene that appears to be an
> adaptation to shore living, that causes some people to excrete salt and
> sometimes too much salt (and also might confer immunity to cholera, which is
> spread by water snails). For myself, and my mother, our sodium levels are
> always chronically low, even though we tend to crave salt. My kids crave
> salt too. If I don't get enough salt in my diet, I start feeling faint and
> lack energy.
>
> But there are some people who get high blood pressure when they eat too much
> salt.
>
> So I think what should happen is: people should listen to their taste buds.
> Ideally if you have high-enough sodium levels in your blood, your body will
> tell you that you don't need more! Like your body should tell you about how
> much food you need to eat.
>
> Also, I have found that since I've learned better how to cook, I need less
> salt as a seasoning. The trick is learning how to use spices ... most of
> them are incredibly good for you, having anti-cancer and anti-oxidant
> effects, besides making food taste awesome. One thing about Stefansson's
> time: the English were really naive about spices! English food of the time
> was rather horrid from a culinary perspective.
>
> I think if a person is living mostly off fish though, you wouldn't need
> extra salt? Seafood is pretty high in sodium. English food at the time was
> land food, and typically very low in sodium except what was added.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:50 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > We have debated salt on my paleolithic diet group. There are traditional
> > cultures that use salt and trade for salt, and there are wild animals that
> > go to great lengths to get salt: elephants and deer, I believe. But there
> > are other deer that don't eat salt, and are just as healthy. There are
> > traditional cultures that don't add salt to their food. Some natural foods
> > have an amount of salt in them, like celery.
> >
> > The explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who lived with the Eskimos, reports
> > that they did not use salt. He explains this is part II here (scroll down):
> > http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
> > That's a fascinating account, btw, I suggest to read the whole thing.
> >
> > Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel like
> > it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and you
> > taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go to a
> > restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.
> >
> > There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and
> > himilayan pink salt.
> > I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.
> >
> > It's probably a question of balance, too much or too little of salt....?
> >
> >
> > ---
>


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First, deer and other ruminants don't need nearly as much salt as humans do. And not all humans need much either. There is a gene that appears to be an adaptation to shore living, that causes some people to excrete salt and sometimes too much salt (and also might confer immunity to cholera, which is spread by water snails). For myself, and my mother, our sodium levels are always chronically low, even though we tend to crave salt. My kids crave salt too. If I don't get enough salt in my diet, I start feeling faint and lack energy.


But there are some people who get high blood pressure when they eat too much salt. 

So I think what should happen is: people should listen to their taste buds. Ideally if you have high-enough sodium levels in your blood, your body will tell you that you don't need more! Like your body should tell you about how much food you need to eat.

Also, I have found that since I've learned better how to cook, I need less salt as a seasoning. The trick is learning how to use spices ... most of them are incredibly good for you, having anti-cancer and anti-oxidant effects, besides making food taste awesome. One thing about Stefansson's time: the English were really naive about spices! English food of the time was rather horrid from a culinary perspective.

I think if a person is living mostly off fish though, you wouldn't need extra salt? Seafood is pretty high in sodium. English food at the time was land food, and typically very low in sodium except what was added.


On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:50 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have debated salt on my paleolithic diet group. There are traditional cultures that use salt and trade for salt, and there are wild animals that go to great lengths to get salt: elephants and deer, I believe. But there are other deer that don't eat salt, and are just as healthy. There are traditional cultures that don't add salt to their food. Some natural foods have an amount of salt in them, like celery.

The explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who lived with the Eskimos, reports that they did not use salt. He explains this is part II here (scroll down):
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
That's a fascinating account, btw, I suggest to read the whole thing.

Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel like it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and you taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go to a restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.

There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and himilayan pink salt.
I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.

It's probably a question of balance, too much or too little of salt....?


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Personally, I think that it's a mineral deficiency that makes some of us, including our fellow creatures, to crave salt.  Natural salt, like sea salt and, my fav. Himalayan, is a make up of minerals.  I think, like anything, salt is fine in moderation...as long as it's not table salt...Namaste!  Pamela

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

We have debated salt on my paleolithic diet group. There are traditional cultures that use salt and trade for salt, and there are wild animals that go to great lengths to get salt: elephants and deer, I believe. But there are other deer that don't eat salt, and are just as healthy. There are traditional cultures that don't add salt to their food. Some natural foods have an amount of salt in them, like celery.

The explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who lived with the Eskimos, reports that they did not use salt. He explains this is part II here (scroll down):
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
That's a fascinating account, btw, I suggest to read the whole thing.

Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel like it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and you taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go to a restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.

There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and himilayan pink salt.
I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.

It's probably a question of balance, too much or too little of salt....?

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@...> wrote:

>
> Now, I have my own question about Salt?
>
> Made mistake of seeing a short Dr. Oz segment about Salt and blood pressure. Since I've found best policy is to Dis-Believe EVERYTHING said by Government...I'm curious if Salt is truly the "poison" they claim it is. I've never been one to put more than a sprinkle on meat, so suspect it's like so many Government-created "Crisises", No Big Whoop.
>
> Barnaby
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We have debated salt on my paleolithic diet group. There are traditional cultures that use salt and trade for salt, and there are wild animals that go to great lengths to get salt: elephants and deer, I believe. But there are other deer that don't eat salt, and are just as healthy. There are traditional cultures that don't add salt to their food. Some natural foods have an amount of salt in them, like celery.

The explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who lived with the Eskimos, reports that they did not use salt. He explains this is part II here (scroll down):
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
That's a fascinating account, btw, I suggest to read the whole thing.

Me, I use a small amount of sea salt in my food at home when I feel like it. If you go without salt, or on low salt, your taste buds adjust and you taste more flavors and don't need so much salt. I notice that if I go to a restaurant, that the food tastes very salty to me and makes me thirsty.

There's a variety of healthy salts: sea salt, celtic sea salt, and himilayan pink salt.
I have a hickory smoked sea salt I love.

It's probably a question of balance, too much or too little of salt....?


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@...> wrote:

>
> Now, I have my own question about Salt?
>
> Made mistake of seeing a short Dr. Oz segment about Salt and blood pressure. Since I've found best policy is to Dis-Believe EVERYTHING said by Government...I'm curious if Salt is truly the "poison" they claim it is. I've never been one to put more than a sprinkle on meat, so suspect it's like so many Government-created "Crisises", No Big Whoop.
>
> Barnaby
>


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[fast5] Re: Newby

I'm finding the same. While I do weigh myself nearly every day, I only record the number once a week or so. It's more for monitoring trends.

I've dropped at least a size in jeans (it's hard to say for sure, when there's so much loose post-pregnancy muffin top - pants that fit with minimal squishing tend to fall down, but pants that don't fall down tend to squish it unattractively), but I've found that without that extra weight, I just feel so much better, I'm more inclined to move around than before. (I could still stand to move more, but the idea is more appealing than it used to be.) I was a little surprised at that, actually - I'm not an 'exercise'-type, I tend to prefer activities that have a mental learning curve, like figure skating or dance. But now, even climbing the stairs gives me a little 'feel-good' boost, rather than just an unpleasant, tired feeling.


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer h" <jenuhensley@...> wrote:
>
> I'm also a newby and have only been fasting a few months now. I don't weigh, but I've gone from a size 6 pants to a 4 (I'm only 5' 1" with a very small frame, so I still need to go down another size or so). I thought I'd weigh in here with my thoughts on exercise. I decided when I first started this new WOE that I would get my diet under control first and later add an exercise program, thinking I was more likely to stick to my new lifestyle changes if I did one at a time. What I've found is after several weeks of eating this way, I have so much more energy. There has been no need for me to do an "exercise program". With all this new energy, I'm just naturally more active. I'm more playful with my young children, we dance, play xbox kinect, run around at the park, etc. Also, my house is cleaner, and I find myself going and doing more. Way better than any equipment or going to the gym, in my opinion!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "terri_luc" <terri_luc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Sam. I really need to stop obsessive destructive behaviours. Do any of you exercise a lot and how effective has it been? I tend to conk out easily probably due to my anemic state most of the time. Weird cos I eat a lot of red meat and greens, but it seems to come right quickly when i down a redbull. Probably the Vitamin B. Let me know what exercise works for you and what I can do to keep from fainting when I do. Oh and sports drinks don't work for me, it just all comes out after the workout.
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Sam" <samdgood@> wrote:
> > >
> > > gl and hang in there. i was wondering if it would help if you move your scales somewhere not so easy to use. you believe in the fast 5 and it takes time to work. you only need to weigh once a week so put the scales in the garage or such and pick a day (like monday) and weigh in every week instead of every day. its worth a try. i understand because i weigh every morning and i know i shouldn't. maybe i'll take my own advice!! lol good luck
> > >
> > > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "terri_luc" <terri_luc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All. I currently weigh about 189 pounds. I was doing fast 5 about 5 months ago and it worked pretty well, but I eventually went back to eating the bad way. I tend to fill my days with food. It's a filler, for when I'm bored or irritated or lonely or angry. Anyway, I lost about 10 pounds in 2 weeks. Felt pretty good, but I did at some stage feel like I hit a plataue. After 2 weeks only,what did I expect. My biggest danger is the scale. I get up every morning and I'm urged to get on that scale. If the numbers are down I'm okay, but if it's up then I start doubting if the program is working. Anyway, I am starting tomorrow again, because I've picked up 8 pounds in the past month. Hope you guys can keep me motivated and I promise (provisionally) to only weigh once a month. So 16 Feb I will be weighing in. Wish me luck. BTW my window is 4-9 felt the best cos when it gets to 5 I'm so ravenous that I eat way to much so 4 is my break-fast time.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


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Re: [fast5] Broth: Supplements Re: Fiber



My issue with boiling bones is that you don't know what the cow was fed. Bones are where the body stores some heavy metals, and there is a fair amount of grass in the US that has high levels of mercury and lead. The same problem exists for oyster shells. 



On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:00 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
BTW, if you boil bones with acid - be sure to use an enameled or ceramic pot.
All those acids, vinegar, tomato, lemon, will pull poisons out of metal the same time they are pulling the calcium out of the bones.

For that matter, never buy tomato products in cans. Buy your tomato sauce and salsa in glass jars.

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BTW, if you boil bones with acid - be sure to use an enameled or ceramic pot.
All those acids, vinegar, tomato, lemon, will pull poisons out of metal the same time they are pulling the calcium out of the bones.

For that matter, never buy tomato products in cans. Buy your tomato sauce and salsa in glass jars.

- T


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
>
> Add some sort of acid when you boil bones - vinegar, tomato juice, or lemon juice, and it will draw out the calcium into the broth. Also, break the bones if you can and get the marrow into the broth.
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <rstewart@> wrote:
> >
> > Heather, last night I pulled the meat off of two rotisserie chickens and made no carb Texas chili. Then I took the bones and boiled them for about four hours in water and made some awesome chicken broth. Lot's of good minerals in there. Something to look forward to when I get home!
> >
> > -Rick
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The one thing I think needs to be supplemented in some diets is calcium and
> > > magnesium. In previous eras, people either at a lot of dairy or they ate
> > > some form of bones (the Asians eat whole small fish, for instance). I can't
> > > do dairy, and I don't know how add bones in our cuisine. So I do calcium
> > > tablets, which are easy. Calcium is a big part of protein and oxalate
> > > handling in the body, and it should be eaten with each meal.
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[fast5] Re: Newby

For a Newbie, it certainly sounds like you have already "Got It"!

Suggest you stick with your Pant size gauge of your fat loss. Too many jump on the scale and are disappointed when waist size progress is much higher than Scales. Unnecessarily putting themselves into a bad mental state.

I agree that when fasting, feeling so much better from this way of eating, biggest "feel-good" and free-breathing" gain of all from STOPPING Grain, you have more energy as you say and don't need to worry about exercise.

Now, I have my own question about Salt?

Made mistake of seeing a short Dr. Oz segment about Salt and blood pressure. Since I've found best policy is to Dis-Believe EVERYTHING said by Government...I'm curious if Salt is truly the "poison" they claim it is. I've never been one to put more than a sprinkle on meat, so suspect it's like so many Government-created "Crisises", No Big Whoop.

Barnaby


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer h" <jenuhensley@...> wrote:
>
> I'm also a newby and have only been fasting a few months now. I don't weigh, but I've gone from a size 6 pants to a 4 (I'm only 5' 1" with a very small frame, so I still need to go down another size or so). I thought I'd weigh in here with my thoughts on exercise. I decided when I first started this new WOE that I would get my diet under control first and later add an exercise program, thinking I was more likely to stick to my new lifestyle changes if I did one at a time. What I've found is after several weeks of eating this way, I have so much more energy. There has been no need for me to do an "exercise program". With all this new energy, I'm just naturally more active. I'm more playful with my young children, we dance, play xbox kinect, run around at the park, etc. Also, my house is cleaner, and I find myself going and doing more. Way better than any equipment or going to the gym, in my opinion!
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "terri_luc" <terri_luc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Sam. I really need to stop obsessive destructive behaviours. Do any of you exercise a lot and how effective has it been? I tend to conk out easily probably due to my anemic state most of the time. Weird cos I eat a lot of red meat and greens, but it seems to come right quickly when i down a redbull. Probably the Vitamin B. Let me know what exercise works for you and what I can do to keep from fainting when I do. Oh and sports drinks don't work for me, it just all comes out after the workout.
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Sam" <samdgood@> wrote:
> > >
> > > gl and hang in there. i was wondering if it would help if you move your scales somewhere not so easy to use. you believe in the fast 5 and it takes time to work. you only need to weigh once a week so put the scales in the garage or such and pick a day (like monday) and weigh in every week instead of every day. its worth a try. i understand because i weigh every morning and i know i shouldn't. maybe i'll take my own advice!! lol good luck
> > >
> > > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "terri_luc" <terri_luc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All. I currently weigh about 189 pounds. I was doing fast 5 about 5 months ago and it worked pretty well, but I eventually went back to eating the bad way. I tend to fill my days with food. It's a filler, for when I'm bored or irritated or lonely or angry. Anyway, I lost about 10 pounds in 2 weeks. Felt pretty good, but I did at some stage feel like I hit a plataue. After 2 weeks only,what did I expect. My biggest danger is the scale. I get up every morning and I'm urged to get on that scale. If the numbers are down I'm okay, but if it's up then I start doubting if the program is working. Anyway, I am starting tomorrow again, because I've picked up 8 pounds in the past month. Hope you guys can keep me motivated and I promise (provisionally) to only weigh once a month. So 16 Feb I will be weighing in. Wish me luck. BTW my window is 4-9 felt the best cos when it gets to 5 I'm so ravenous that I eat way to much so 4 is my break-fast time.
> > > >
> > >
> >
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[fast5] Calcium - Supplements Re: Fiber

Here's one site on calcium that googled up:
http://www.foodallergysolutions.com/calcium.html

He describes the different kinds of calcium supplements, the worst (least absorbable) being Calcium carbonate and the best (most absorbable) being Calcium citrate-malate.

He talks about how dairy is not a good source of calcium, because most people don't absorb the calcium very well.

He recommends getting calcium from leafy dark green vegetables. He doesn't mention bones, maybe he is vegetarian biased, I am not sure.

Me, I have been experimenting with raw dairy lately. I wonder if you absorb the calcium from raw dairy any better than from pasteurized dairy?

But I do gnaw on cooked chicken bones, the rounded ends get soft sometimes and I chew them, I've grown fond of them.

I've been thinking to eat canned sardines more often, you get soft bones in there.

I used to have a fish recipe, you cook the fish a long time and the bones get soft. I don't have it anymore. It was a macrobiotic recipe. Very yang, I remember.

Weight bearing exercise is best for your bones. I was confused by that term "weight-bearing" I thought it meant you had to lift weights, but apparently any exercise that you bear your own body weight counts. Two exercises that are NOT weight bearing are bicycling and swimming. So don't rely on those as your only form of exercise.

- T

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <rstewart@...> wrote:
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> The problem is, your body requires calcium and other minerals to de-acidify and alkalinize itself. If your intake is too low, your body will take it from your bones. Calcium is also essential for proper nerve and endocrine function. So the goal is just to make sure you have enough serum calcium circulating so that your body doesn't have to remove it from your bones. Calcium is so vital to health that it's tightly regulated in the body to about 1% of the total calcium in your body. If your body falls below that 1% it WILL get it from either your intestines or your bones. No bones about it. :)
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> -Rick
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[fast5] Broth: Supplements Re: Fiber

Add some sort of acid when you boil bones - vinegar, tomato juice, or lemon juice, and it will draw out the calcium into the broth. Also, break the bones if you can and get the marrow into the broth.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <rstewart@...> wrote:
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> Heather, last night I pulled the meat off of two rotisserie chickens and made no carb Texas chili. Then I took the bones and boiled them for about four hours in water and made some awesome chicken broth. Lot's of good minerals in there. Something to look forward to when I get home!
>
> -Rick
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> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
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> > The one thing I think needs to be supplemented in some diets is calcium and
> > magnesium. In previous eras, people either at a lot of dairy or they ate
> > some form of bones (the Asians eat whole small fish, for instance). I can't
> > do dairy, and I don't know how add bones in our cuisine. So I do calcium
> > tablets, which are easy. Calcium is a big part of protein and oxalate
> > handling in the body, and it should be eaten with each meal.
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[fast5] Re: Newby

I'm also a newby and have only been fasting a few months now. I don't weigh, but I've gone from a size 6 pants to a 4 (I'm only 5' 1" with a very small frame, so I still need to go down another size or so). I thought I'd weigh in here with my thoughts on exercise. I decided when I first started this new WOE that I would get my diet under control first and later add an exercise program, thinking I was more likely to stick to my new lifestyle changes if I did one at a time. What I've found is after several weeks of eating this way, I have so much more energy. There has been no need for me to do an "exercise program". With all this new energy, I'm just naturally more active. I'm more playful with my young children, we dance, play xbox kinect, run around at the park, etc. Also, my house is cleaner, and I find myself going and doing more. Way better than any equipment or going to the gym, in my opinion!

Jennifer

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "terri_luc" <terri_luc@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Sam. I really need to stop obsessive destructive behaviours. Do any of you exercise a lot and how effective has it been? I tend to conk out easily probably due to my anemic state most of the time. Weird cos I eat a lot of red meat and greens, but it seems to come right quickly when i down a redbull. Probably the Vitamin B. Let me know what exercise works for you and what I can do to keep from fainting when I do. Oh and sports drinks don't work for me, it just all comes out after the workout.
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> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Sam" <samdgood@> wrote:
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> > gl and hang in there. i was wondering if it would help if you move your scales somewhere not so easy to use. you believe in the fast 5 and it takes time to work. you only need to weigh once a week so put the scales in the garage or such and pick a day (like monday) and weigh in every week instead of every day. its worth a try. i understand because i weigh every morning and i know i shouldn't. maybe i'll take my own advice!! lol good luck
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "terri_luc" <terri_luc@> wrote:
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> > > Hi All. I currently weigh about 189 pounds. I was doing fast 5 about 5 months ago and it worked pretty well, but I eventually went back to eating the bad way. I tend to fill my days with food. It's a filler, for when I'm bored or irritated or lonely or angry. Anyway, I lost about 10 pounds in 2 weeks. Felt pretty good, but I did at some stage feel like I hit a plataue. After 2 weeks only,what did I expect. My biggest danger is the scale. I get up every morning and I'm urged to get on that scale. If the numbers are down I'm okay, but if it's up then I start doubting if the program is working. Anyway, I am starting tomorrow again, because I've picked up 8 pounds in the past month. Hope you guys can keep me motivated and I promise (provisionally) to only weigh once a month. So 16 Feb I will be weighing in. Wish me luck. BTW my window is 4-9 felt the best cos when it gets to 5 I'm so ravenous that I eat way to much so 4 is my break-fast time.
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Re: [fast5] Supplements Re: Fiber



The question that many have raised is: how much calcium is actually in the broth? It hasn't been tested much, but the one test I did read some time ago, indicated it wasn't much. I do love broth and make it weekly, but I'm not sure it's actual calcium content counts for much. The collagen is likely the part that makes it awesome.


OTOH ... IP6, which is said to be a calcium blocker, can in fact contribute calcium to rats. So I don't think we know how all the calcium stuff works yet. 



On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:53 AM, RickS <rstewart@iaff.org> wrote:
Heather, last night I pulled the meat off of two rotisserie chickens and made no carb Texas chili.  Then I took the bones and boiled them for about four hours in water and made some awesome chicken broth.  Lot's of good minerals in there.  Something to look forward to when I get home!

-Rick

 
 
 


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