Re: [fast5] Re: brown fat verses yellow fat

Even if you're not calorie restricting the fasting is still helpful in training your body to burn fat as fuel.

 

I've shared here before but for the sake of updating:

 

Back around 2000 I weighed in at approximately 425+ pounds.  I'm a 6'4" single daddy, just turned 43 last month.  Currently I weigh in at 220-225, and I've put on approximately 20 pounds of muscle since 2006 when I started lifting.  I probably have about 20 pounds of excess bodyfat to lose, but I've never had any surgery, and other than over-the-counter supplements I haven't used any weird diet pills - I just have trained regularly and studied about ways that the body uses energy.

 

From a wheat / grain standpoint, I've never had any problem with it.  Your body will essentially process refined flour like it's sugar, but in my experience it hasn't been the carbs vs. fat argument, it's more a matter of "what are you asking your body to do?"  The Fast5 plan is helpful because obviously, given my former size, I have lived a life of food-regulation issues, but I do believe my body's insulin response has become a lot more efficient than it was as a "big guy."

 

I will tell you from experience that sure -- moving away from grains has benefits, but most people don't need to vilify them.  The problem is just that they're harder to regulate from a dietary standpoint.   I lost my first 80 pounds or so doing strictly Atkins, and I know that if I ate grain/carbs during the day I'd have much more of a struggle losing fat.  Eating only in the evening most days (probably 28-31 days a month) means that my insulin spikes only once a day, and when you've put your muscles into a "repair/grow" mode through some challenging and consistent strength training, you give the carbs something to do other than keep you alive.  Anyone out there who is not exercising regularly (and strongly), I'd definitely recommend avoiding flour and sugar altogether if you want to see real results.

 

I would recommend to anyone doing fast5 to a) talk to their doctor and start a consistent exercise program that involves weight training, and b) worry less about the scale and more about your visible body fat.  If you lost twenty pounds of fat and put on five-ten pounds of muscle, you're going to like the way you look and feel, and you'll want to keep getting healthy. 

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It's not at all unusual to see conflicting "studies" regarding low-fat diets and disease.

Eating less fat offers little disease protection
Study: Low-fat diet fails to decrease cancer, heart risks in older women
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11221022/

Calorie reduction diets are showing the best promise for improved health. But Fasting is the most sane way of accomplishing it. No sense in Starving yourself! It's not as difficult to eat less than 1500 calories a day (for calorie restricted diet) if you don't spread it over Traditional 3 meals a day.
http://www.aces.edu/dept/extcomm/health/july9c02.html

I agree, Wheat serves no good purpose in our diet, but not from fear of iron.

"Iron Man" :-)
Barnaby

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Well, not to go onto my current bandwagon or anything, but high iron levels
> are associated with cancer. IP6 and EDTA are being used by some people to
> help treat cancer, because it mops up the extra iron in the blood, stealing
> food from the cancer cells. Most cancers are rare in India, where they also
> tend to have very low ferritin levels. So the first thing I would do is have
> your ferritin levels checked. See:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2025170/
>
> Second thing is: people who are gluten intolerant often have high prolactin
> levels (even little kids, which doesn't make sense because prolactin is
> there for breastfeeding!). Prolactin is also associated with breast cancer.
>
> I kind of think the gluten thing might be related to the iron thing: gluten
> messes with the gut integrity, which might lead to high ferritin levels? Or
> some kind of rebound reaction: I had undetected celiac for years, which
> probably made me anemic, but when I stopped eating wheat then I started
> having iron problems.
>
> Personally I don't think fat per se has anything to do with breast cancer.
> It's probably a stand-in statistically for either red meat (which is both
> high in iron and also makes other iron in the diet absorb better) or trans
> fats. Other kinds of fats ... coconut oil, olive oil, fish oil ... don't
> seem to promote cancer? Only the fats that are associated with the high iron
> foods? When I eat red meat these days I also take a calcium pill, which I
> think is necessary to make the protein digest correctly and also to block
> the iron. Most animals that eat meat also eat the bones, as did human beings
> in the past. The paleo peoples didn't have a problem eating scads of meat
> probably because they did eat bones, and also they had parasites and lost
> blood more regularly.
>
> Kraut and cabbage are associated with lower breast cancer rates. If you like
> them, it's an easy thing to eat! I do like homemade kraut.
>
> If you want brown fat though, the thing to do is to "get cold". When people
> have to live in a cold environment, they develop brown fat and a higher
> metabolism. So maybe gardening during the winter, in shirtsleeves? I had my
> best health at a time when I had to walk a mile each day, rain or shine,
> including in snow and ice.
>
> Breast cancer isn't something I've studied though, and I'm sure you'll do
> your own research. I'm sorry to hear about it, though I'm glad you are being
> proactive! I think Fast-5 is a good treatment of itself, because it helps
> the body do "housecleaning".
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 8:35 AM, lanekoeslin <koeslin@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wonder if anyone on this list has studied the brown/yellow fat factor and
> > applied it to Fast-5.
> >
> > A little about me: I was a skinny kid. Gained a few pounds after each
> > baby. Gained a chunk very quickly while going through some mental anquish.
> > And then began the diet rollercoaster. One diet after another ending with
> > an 8 year stint on Atkins Extreme. Quit that about 5 years ago, because my
> > doctor was concerned over bloodwork results.
> >
> > Four months ago I had a mastectomy due to early stage but invasive breast
> > cancer. 3 months ago I started
> > taking Arimidex to block estrogen. One of the breast cancer risks is high
> > fat intake, according to the literature.
> >
> > That brings me to my interest in the brown fat, yellow fat factor. From
> > what little I've read on the subject, some types of exercise promote the
> > healthy brown fat which burns off the yellow fat as I understand it.
> >
> > Does anyone on this list, Heather perhaps?, have insight or knowledge
> > about this? Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Lane in Illinois
> >

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[fast5] Re: brown fat verses yellow fat

It's not at all unusual to see conflicting "studies" regarding low-fat diets and disease.

Eating less fat offers little disease protection
Study: Low-fat diet fails to decrease cancer, heart risks in older women
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11221022/

Calorie reduction diets are showing the best promise for improved health. But Fasting is the most sane way of accomplishing it. No sense in Starving yourself! It's not as difficult to eat less than 1500 calories a day (for calorie restricted diet) if you don't spread it over Traditional 3 meals a day.
http://www.aces.edu/dept/extcomm/health/july9c02.html

I agree, Wheat serves no good purpose in our diet, but not from fear of iron.

"Iron Man" :-)
Barnaby

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Well, not to go onto my current bandwagon or anything, but high iron levels
> are associated with cancer. IP6 and EDTA are being used by some people to
> help treat cancer, because it mops up the extra iron in the blood, stealing
> food from the cancer cells. Most cancers are rare in India, where they also
> tend to have very low ferritin levels. So the first thing I would do is have
> your ferritin levels checked. See:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2025170/
>
> Second thing is: people who are gluten intolerant often have high prolactin
> levels (even little kids, which doesn't make sense because prolactin is
> there for breastfeeding!). Prolactin is also associated with breast cancer.
>
> I kind of think the gluten thing might be related to the iron thing: gluten
> messes with the gut integrity, which might lead to high ferritin levels? Or
> some kind of rebound reaction: I had undetected celiac for years, which
> probably made me anemic, but when I stopped eating wheat then I started
> having iron problems.
>
> Personally I don't think fat per se has anything to do with breast cancer.
> It's probably a stand-in statistically for either red meat (which is both
> high in iron and also makes other iron in the diet absorb better) or trans
> fats. Other kinds of fats ... coconut oil, olive oil, fish oil ... don't
> seem to promote cancer? Only the fats that are associated with the high iron
> foods? When I eat red meat these days I also take a calcium pill, which I
> think is necessary to make the protein digest correctly and also to block
> the iron. Most animals that eat meat also eat the bones, as did human beings
> in the past. The paleo peoples didn't have a problem eating scads of meat
> probably because they did eat bones, and also they had parasites and lost
> blood more regularly.
>
> Kraut and cabbage are associated with lower breast cancer rates. If you like
> them, it's an easy thing to eat! I do like homemade kraut.
>
> If you want brown fat though, the thing to do is to "get cold". When people
> have to live in a cold environment, they develop brown fat and a higher
> metabolism. So maybe gardening during the winter, in shirtsleeves? I had my
> best health at a time when I had to walk a mile each day, rain or shine,
> including in snow and ice.
>
> Breast cancer isn't something I've studied though, and I'm sure you'll do
> your own research. I'm sorry to hear about it, though I'm glad you are being
> proactive! I think Fast-5 is a good treatment of itself, because it helps
> the body do "housecleaning".
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 8:35 AM, lanekoeslin <koeslin@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I wonder if anyone on this list has studied the brown/yellow fat factor and
> > applied it to Fast-5.
> >
> > A little about me: I was a skinny kid. Gained a few pounds after each
> > baby. Gained a chunk very quickly while going through some mental anquish.
> > And then began the diet rollercoaster. One diet after another ending with
> > an 8 year stint on Atkins Extreme. Quit that about 5 years ago, because my
> > doctor was concerned over bloodwork results.
> >
> > Four months ago I had a mastectomy due to early stage but invasive breast
> > cancer. 3 months ago I started
> > taking Arimidex to block estrogen. One of the breast cancer risks is high
> > fat intake, according to the literature.
> >
> > That brings me to my interest in the brown fat, yellow fat factor. From
> > what little I've read on the subject, some types of exercise promote the
> > healthy brown fat which burns off the yellow fat as I understand it.
> >
> > Does anyone on this list, Heather perhaps?, have insight or knowledge
> > about this? Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Lane in Illinois
> >

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Re: [fast5] brown fat verses yellow fat

Thank you, Heather for your thoughtful response.  You've given me lots to mull over and study.  Get cold, huh?  That's quite interesting.  We keep it pretty cool in our house in the Winter, 66 or so. However in the summer we let it get quite warm, since we don't do airconditioning unless the heat gets unbearable.  I'll have to look into that a bit. 

 

Thanks for your kind words.  I have a good attitude and plan to keep as upbeat as possible.

 

Lane

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Well, not to go onto my current bandwagon or anything, but high iron levels are associated with cancer. IP6 and EDTA are being used by some people to help treat cancer, because it mops up the extra iron in the blood, stealing food from the cancer cells. Most cancers are rare in India, where they also tend to have very low ferritin levels. So the first thing I would do is have your ferritin levels checked. See: (snipped)

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Re: [fast5] brown fat verses yellow fat

Well, not to go onto my current bandwagon or anything, but high iron levels are associated with cancer. IP6 and EDTA are being used by some people to help treat cancer, because it mops up the extra iron in the blood, stealing food from the cancer cells. Most cancers are rare in India, where they also tend to have very low ferritin levels. So the first thing I would do is have your ferritin levels checked. See:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2025170/

Second thing is: people who are gluten intolerant often have high prolactin levels (even little kids, which doesn't make sense because prolactin is there for breastfeeding!). Prolactin is also associated with breast cancer. 

I kind of think the gluten thing might be related to the iron thing: gluten messes with the gut integrity, which might lead to high ferritin levels? Or some kind of rebound reaction: I had undetected celiac for years, which probably made me anemic, but when I stopped eating wheat then I started having iron problems.

Personally I don't think fat per se has anything to do with breast cancer. It's probably a stand-in statistically for either red meat (which is both high in iron and also makes other iron in the diet absorb better) or trans fats. Other kinds of fats ... coconut oil, olive oil, fish oil ... don't seem to promote cancer? Only the fats that are associated with the high iron foods? When I eat red meat these days I also take a calcium pill, which I think is necessary to make the protein digest correctly and also to block the iron. Most animals that eat meat also eat the bones, as did human beings in the past. The paleo peoples didn't have a problem eating scads of meat probably because they did eat bones, and also they had parasites and lost blood more regularly.

Kraut and cabbage are associated with lower breast cancer rates. If you like them, it's an easy thing to eat! I do like homemade kraut.

If you want brown fat though, the thing to do is to "get cold". When people have to live in a cold environment, they develop brown fat and a higher metabolism. So maybe gardening during the winter, in shirtsleeves? I had my best health at a time when I had to walk a mile each day, rain or shine, including in snow and ice.

Breast cancer isn't something I've studied though, and I'm sure you'll do your own research. I'm sorry to hear about it, though I'm glad you are being proactive! I think Fast-5 is a good treatment of itself, because it helps the body do "housecleaning".

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 8:35 AM, lanekoeslin <koeslin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I wonder if anyone on this list has studied the brown/yellow fat factor and applied it to Fast-5.

A little about me: I was a skinny kid.  Gained a few pounds after each baby.  Gained a chunk very quickly while going through some mental anquish.  And then began the diet rollercoaster.  One diet after another ending with an 8 year stint on Atkins Extreme.  Quit that about 5 years ago, because my doctor was concerned over bloodwork results.

Four months ago I had a mastectomy due to early stage but invasive breast cancer.  3 months ago I started
taking Arimidex to block estrogen.  One of the  breast cancer risks is high fat intake, according to the literature.

That brings me to my interest in the brown fat, yellow fat factor.  From what little I've read on the subject, some types of exercise promote the healthy brown fat which burns off the yellow fat as I understand it.

Does anyone on this list, Heather perhaps?, have insight or  knowledge
about this?  Thanks in advance,

Lane in Illinois


 

 

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Re: [fast5] brown fat verses yellow fat

Thanks for the link, Ellen, it looks like a good group for me.  In this case though, I am interested in finding a food/exercise routine to fit in with Fast 5.  If I can figure out what promotes healthy brown fat, foods and or specific types of exercise, then I'll concentrate my efforts in that area.  If someone else has already figured that out though and is willing to share that knowledge, I'm not bid on reinventing the wheel.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Lane

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:

 

don't knkow anything about this but I would bet that someone on the breast cancer think tank  group can help you.
They are very serious researchers.

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[fast5] brown fat verses yellow fat

Hi All,

I wonder if anyone on this list has studied the brown/yellow fat factor and applied it to Fast-5.

A little about me: I was a skinny kid. Gained a few pounds after each baby. Gained a chunk very quickly while going through some mental anquish. And then began the diet rollercoaster. One diet after another ending with an 8 year stint on Atkins Extreme. Quit that about 5 years ago, because my doctor was concerned over bloodwork results.

Four months ago I had a mastectomy due to early stage but invasive breast cancer. 3 months ago I started
taking Arimidex to block estrogen. One of the breast cancer risks is high fat intake, according to the literature.

That brings me to my interest in the brown fat, yellow fat factor. From what little I've read on the subject, some types of exercise promote the healthy brown fat which burns off the yellow fat as I understand it.

Does anyone on this list, Heather perhaps?, have insight or knowledge
about this? Thanks in advance,

Lane in Illinois

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[fast5] Re:Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

Interesting reading on this topic. If you go to Japan or China yes you will see the main dish in any house to be rice. They also eat a lot of fish. What I notice more than anything is that most of these people are walking everywhere or riding a bike. They are always doing something, there metabolism is racing hence. If they transition to American style eating and living I have a feeling they would gain weight with time. There is no junk in there food be it carbs or meats. Here everything is filled with preservatives to make it look and taste better. I went to Bolivia for 3 weeks and ate 3 full meals a day as this is there culture. I however never felt full. Then we would walk everywhere we went. I actually lost weight while I was there. Once I got back to the states my friend took me out to eat and would you believe it I couldn't even finish the meal because I was so grossly full. Its a hard task to lose weight here. Maybe we should all move to Bolivia or Japan. Have a great week group. Happy fasting.
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Re: [fast5] blood ferritin Re: First post here

I think that's pretty much the story of science: a bunch of individual stories, then someone does research on them to see if there is, in fact, a trend. Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. This isn't the first experiment I've done on myself, and actually I'm kind of surprised it's working as well as it is. I went from a pretty much all-beef/vegie diet to a rice/fish/vegie diet, and the heart arrhythmia problems I was getting kind of went away, as well as some other issues.

Not everyone has high ferritin: true iron deficiency IS a problem. Some people think "heavy menstruation" is actually a sign of high iron: it's the bodies way of getting rid of it, at least for pre-menopausal women. The body has a rather extensive array of ways to balance iron, because the stuff is both so necessary and so toxic. Kind of like blood glucose, which is also usually under tight control.

Problem is, sometimes the control breaks. Quite possibly the core problem is that we've more or less eradicated parasites and sword fights and pregnancies every 3 years. And there is a genetic component. Looking into my own genetic history, this does seem to be an issue in our family. Dr. Eades wrote about it in Protein Power also (his recommendation was to donate blood, which is a good recommendation if you can do it: if you are anemic, the blood bank people will tell you). Donating blood lowers the chance of Type 2 diabetes by quite a bit: I don't know why no one talks about that much.

Anyway, if you DO have it tested, you want the blood ferritin test, not "blood iron". Iron fluctuates constantly, and sometimes the body pulls iron out of the blood as a protective measure, so some people with high ferritin actually test as anemic ... then they take iron tablets which just makes everything worse. It's not generally an issue for pre-menopausal women though, AFAIK.

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:33 PM, foxchyck <foxeye@jungle-fire.com> wrote:

The issue of blood ferritin is new to me...I'll need to read more into that one. I suppose it's never occurred to me because I have very heavy menstrual bleeding, so I think of myself as iron deficient, if anything. Can't say I ever had it tested, though.

*gleeful cackle at the prospect of a new internet mission to undertake*

And yes, individual stories are very compelling...though goodness knows, it's hard to really draw widescale conclusions from them. :(  Which I suppose is why you are experimenting on yourself.

  

 

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Re: [fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

Sumo wrestlers also eat bowls of noodles with lots of beef. Wheat and beef. And potatoes. Cooked in an iron pot. And they drink beer instead of tea: tea blocks iron, beer makes iron absorb better (soda pop does too). Sumos are a really interesting case, and I wish someone would do a better study of them.

Yeah, I know about "fathead". I've been researching this for years (and experimenting, and listening to others that experiment). Clearly you have one idea: fat is good, carb is bad. Which is just about as wise as the people who say carb is good, fat is bad.

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:50 PM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@gmail.com> wrote:

Secret training diet of Sumo wrestlers:
http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/none/secrets-sumo-wrestlers-diet-067161

Ten bowls of rice in one meal.

Apparently, some ways of eating (such as high Carbs) are even too much for Fast-5!

Barnaby

 

 

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[fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

Secret training diet of Sumo wrestlers:
http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/none/secrets-sumo-wrestlers-diet-067161

Ten bowls of rice in one meal.

Apparently, some ways of eating (such as high Carbs) are even too much for Fast-5!

Barnaby

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > For an example of how really bad eating rice is, take a look at this guy:
> >
> > http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-eats-allergy-free/2010/05/bruce-lee-an-accidental-food-allergy-role-model.html
> >
>
>
> Yep, that guy kept on eating rice, for all of 32 years!
>
> ...then he suddenly died.
> Donald Teare, a forensic scientist recommended by Scotland Yard who had overseen over 1000 autopsies, was the top expert assigned to the Lee case. His conclusion was that the death was caused by an acute cerebral edema due to a reaction to compounds present in the prescription pain killing drug Equagesic.
>
> Sorry, but you are the one who opened yourself up to it regarding the "wonders" of rice. ;-)
>
> I'll still check out his book. Thanks.
>
> Barnaby

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[fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
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>
> For an example of how really bad eating rice is, take a look at this guy:
>
> http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-eats-allergy-free/2010/05/bruce-lee-an-accidental-food-allergy-role-model.html
>

Yep, that guy kept on eating rice, for all of 32 years!

...then he suddenly died.
Donald Teare, a forensic scientist recommended by Scotland Yard who had overseen over 1000 autopsies, was the top expert assigned to the Lee case. His conclusion was that the death was caused by an acute cerebral edema due to a reaction to compounds present in the prescription pain killing drug Equagesic.

Sorry, but you are the one who opened yourself up to it regarding the "wonders" of rice. ;-)

I'll still check out his book. Thanks.

Barnaby

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[fast5] blood ferritin Re: First post here

The issue of blood ferritin is new to me...I'll need to read more into that one. I suppose it's never occurred to me because I have very heavy menstrual bleeding, so I think of myself as iron deficient, if anything. Can't say I ever had it tested, though.

*gleeful cackle at the prospect of a new internet mission to undertake*

And yes, individual stories are very compelling...though goodness knows, it's hard to really draw widescale conclusions from them. :( Which I suppose is why you are experimenting on yourself.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> There is a book out called "Japanese women don't get old or fat" ... it's by
> a Japanese woman who married an American. She adopted the American diet ...
> and gained 20 lbs. She and her husband then went back to "Japanese eating"
> and both lost 20 lbs. I don't agree with most of the book: it doesn't
> sufficiently explain why Japanese women don't get fat, nor does it explain
> why the French, on a very different diet, also remain slim. It talks a lot
> about attitudes about food, eating brown rice (which isn't traditional in
> Japan anyway), etc. But the experience of "getting skinnier eating Japanese
> food" and "getting fatter on American food" seems to be a common case.
>
> Anyway, I've adopted Asian eating, mostly because I love it and also because
> I can't have gluten or dairy in any case (makes me ill). What I've found is
> that my gut problems basically disappeared, I need less sleep, my joints are
> happier. My blood glucose is great too. Fast-5 started this process and I
> did get a lot better just doing Fast-5, but switching to more
> rice/vegies/fish has added to that. On days when I eat baked goods and beef
> or potatoes or corn, I feel worse. I eat about the same amount of fat and
> protein regardless. The main issue seems to be the source of the protein and
> the type of carb. I think a lot of it has to do with iron: when I take an
> iron-blocker with beef or potatoes, there are less problems.
>
> Eating one bowl of rice with vegies, fish, and eggs fills me up. I don't get
> "rebound eating" as people predict from a high-starch meal. It is also
> REALLY satisfying in a way that just eating "low carb" or "low fat" never
> was for me. I've been getting skinnier and stronger, rather gradually but
> that's not been my focus (mostly I'm trying to regain my health).
>
>
> For an example of how really bad eating rice is, take a look at this guy:
>
> http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-eats-allergy-free/2010/05/bruce-lee-an-accidental-food-allergy-role-model.html
>
>
> The thing about diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity and heart disease is that
> they all have a statistical correlation to blood ferritin levels. In France,
> India, Japan, and most of the rest of the world, blood ferritin levels are
> low compared to America. They were even lower in the past because most
> people had parasites. It's like the big elephant in the room that everyone
> ignores: but the "skinny" cuisines all seem to be low in bio-available iron.
> So my experiment, on me: eat low-iron, see what happens. So far, so good.
>
> Incidentally, I think iron levels might be one reason fasting works. Your
> gut cells store iron from your last meal: giving them time to "shed" that
> iron between meals might help.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, foxchyck <foxeye@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > What I would be curious to hear about - if the data are even available - is
> > how western people who have moved to Asian and adopted an asian cuisine have
> > fared. I've heard it suggested that asians may have a "rice digesting
> > adaptation" much like northern europeans (and some other groups) have a
> > "dairy digesting adaptation", but I've not yet gotten my hands on the
> > journal articles that discuss this.
> >
> > I recall that the mechanism also suggested that higher populations can
> > result in metabolic adaptations that are more recent than the "paleo" state.
> > AKA, places like china/india, which have sustained high populations for
> > quite some time, may see metabolisms that thrive on food other than what
> > hunter/gatherers evolved for.
> >
> > We've seen the result of bringing asians to the united states, but I've
> > never heard of how people of non-asian descent do when transplanted to asia.
> > (And by "how they do" I don't mean weight so much as incidents of heart
> > disease, diabetes, cancer, and alzheimers.)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity.
> > They
> > > also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by
> > > anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western"
> > > diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when
> > > exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still
> > are
> > > skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of
> > > diabetes.
> > >
> > > I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just
> > > "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in
> > > terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you
> > > suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you
> > > figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.
> > >
> > > There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it
> > has
> > > to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine,
> > > changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels
> > correlate
> > > with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in
> > bio-available
> > > iron).
> > >
> > > I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese.
> > > Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly
> > because
> > > they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.
> > >
> > > Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much
> > on
> > > percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those
> > macronutrients
> > > are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad,
> > > absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not
> > all
> > > protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body
> > than
> > > cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with
> > > your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there
> > isn't
> > > enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
> > > >
> > > > Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
> > > >
> > > > Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
> > > >
> > > > "Why You Got Fat"
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> > > >
> > > > "Big Fat Lies"
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
> > > >
> > > > "Diets and Hunger"
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> > > >
> > > > The average American has been brainwashed by years of
> > > > Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat,
> > while
> > > > lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood
> > > > sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced
> > > > corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat
> > > > elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat
> > mice?
> > > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous
> > > > saying...even amongst Meateaters.
> > > >
> > > > Barnaby
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity. They
> also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by
> anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western"
> diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when
> exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still are
> skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of
> diabetes.
>
> I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just
> "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in
> terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you
> suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you
> figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.
>
> There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it has
> to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine,
> changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels correlate
> with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in bio-available
> iron).
>
> I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese.
> Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly because
> they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.

Your present diet is clearly affecting your vision, as after my "fat elephants and skinny snakes" comment you clearly missed THIS!
;-)

Please use your remaining vision to watch the YouTube video clips from "FatHead" which I posted, talking about the interrelationship of carbs, insulin, and fat. That is what I wanted the new poster to realize as she has been exposed to American media brainwashing thinking Canola (Rapeseed) vegetable oil and "lean meat" was better than saturated animal fats and believed that animal Fat was her enemy and starchy Carbs her friend (as long as they are "complex"). Others have pointed that out to her to not eat so much pasta, as Gary Taubes, Eades and others equate a slice of bread to pure sugar. All this affects insulin...which affects fat-burning or storing.

I CLEARLY have not thrown the good animal fats into the same pot as Trans-fats, despite your skewing in defense of non-meat-eating,rice-gobbling "slant eye" vegetarians in an "absolutist" fashion. <G>

Please get back on subject about Insulin, as that is the basis of body fat loss caused by fasting.

Barnaby

> Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much on
> percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those macronutrients
> are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad,
> absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not all
> protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body than
> cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with
> your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there isn't
> enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>
> > Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
> >
> > Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
> >
> > Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
> >
> > "Why You Got Fat"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> >
> > "Big Fat Lies"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
> >
> > "Diets and Hunger"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> >
> > The average American has been brainwashed by years of
> > Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat, while
> > lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood
> > sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced
> > corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
> >
> > BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat
> > elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat mice?
> > ;-)
> >
> > There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous
> > saying...even amongst Meateaters.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >

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Re: [fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

There is a book out called "Japanese women don't get old or fat" ... it's by a Japanese woman who married an American. She adopted the American diet ... and gained 20 lbs. She and her husband then went back to "Japanese eating" and both lost 20 lbs. I don't agree with most of the book: it doesn't sufficiently explain why Japanese women don't get fat, nor does it explain why the French, on a very different diet, also remain slim. It talks a lot about attitudes about food, eating brown rice (which isn't traditional in Japan anyway), etc. But the experience of "getting skinnier eating Japanese food" and "getting fatter on American food" seems to be a common case.

Anyway, I've adopted Asian eating, mostly because I love it and also because I can't have gluten or dairy in any case (makes me ill). What I've found is that my gut problems basically disappeared, I need less sleep, my joints are happier. My blood glucose is great too. Fast-5 started this process and I did get a lot better just doing Fast-5, but switching to more rice/vegies/fish has added to that. On days when I eat baked goods and beef or potatoes or corn, I feel worse. I eat about the same amount of fat and protein regardless. The main issue seems to be the source of the protein and the type of carb. I think a lot of it has to do with iron: when I take an iron-blocker with beef or potatoes, there are less problems.

Eating one bowl of rice with vegies, fish, and eggs fills me up. I don't get "rebound eating" as people predict from a high-starch meal. It is also REALLY satisfying in a way that just eating "low carb" or "low fat" never was for me. I've been getting skinnier and stronger, rather gradually but that's not been my focus (mostly I'm trying to regain my health).

For an example of how really bad eating rice is, take a look at this guy:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-eats-allergy-free/2010/05/bruce-lee-an-accidental-food-allergy-role-model.html

The thing about diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity and heart disease is that they all have a statistical correlation to blood ferritin levels. In France, India, Japan, and most of the rest of the world, blood ferritin levels are low compared to America. They were even lower in the past because most people had parasites. It's like the big elephant in the room that everyone ignores: but the "skinny" cuisines all seem to be low in bio-available iron. So my experiment, on me: eat low-iron, see what happens. So far, so good.

Incidentally, I think iron levels might be one reason fasting works. Your gut cells store iron from your last meal: giving them time to "shed" that iron between meals might help.

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, foxchyck <foxeye@jungle-fire.com> wrote:

What I would be curious to hear about - if the data are even available - is how western people who have moved to Asian and adopted an asian cuisine have fared.  I've heard it suggested that asians may have a "rice digesting adaptation" much like northern europeans (and some other groups) have a "dairy digesting adaptation", but I've not yet gotten my hands on the journal articles that discuss this.

I recall that the mechanism also suggested that higher populations can result in metabolic adaptations that are more recent than the "paleo" state. AKA, places like china/india, which have sustained high populations for quite some time, may see metabolisms that thrive on food other than what hunter/gatherers evolved for.

We've seen the result of bringing asians to the united states, but I've never heard of how people of non-asian descent do when transplanted to asia. (And by "how they do" I don't mean weight so much as incidents of heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and alzheimers.)



--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity. They
> also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by
> anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western"
> diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when
> exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still are
> skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of
> diabetes.
>
> I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just
> "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in
> terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you
> suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you
> figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.
>
> There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it has
> to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine,
> changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels correlate
> with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in bio-available
> iron).
>
> I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese.
> Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly because
> they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.
>
> Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much on
> percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those macronutrients
> are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad,
> absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not all
> protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body than
> cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with
> your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there isn't
> enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>
> > Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
> >
> > Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
> >
> > Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
> >
> > "Why You Got Fat"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> >
> > "Big Fat Lies"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
> >
> > "Diets and Hunger"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> >
> > The average American has been brainwashed by years of
> > Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat, while
> > lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood
> > sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced
> > corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
> >
> > BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat
> > elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat mice?
> > ;-)
> >
> > There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous
> > saying...even amongst Meateaters.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> >
>




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[fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

What I would be curious to hear about - if the data are even available - is how western people who have moved to Asian and adopted an asian cuisine have fared. I've heard it suggested that asians may have a "rice digesting adaptation" much like northern europeans (and some other groups) have a "dairy digesting adaptation", but I've not yet gotten my hands on the journal articles that discuss this.

I recall that the mechanism also suggested that higher populations can result in metabolic adaptations that are more recent than the "paleo" state. AKA, places like china/india, which have sustained high populations for quite some time, may see metabolisms that thrive on food other than what hunter/gatherers evolved for.

We've seen the result of bringing asians to the united states, but I've never heard of how people of non-asian descent do when transplanted to asia. (And by "how they do" I don't mean weight so much as incidents of heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and alzheimers.)

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity. They
> also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by
> anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western"
> diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when
> exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still are
> skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of
> diabetes.
>
> I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just
> "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in
> terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you
> suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you
> figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.
>
> There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it has
> to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine,
> changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels correlate
> with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in bio-available
> iron).
>
> I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese.
> Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly because
> they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.
>
> Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much on
> percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those macronutrients
> are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad,
> absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not all
> protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body than
> cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with
> your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there isn't
> enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@...>wrote:
>
> > Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
> >
> > Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
> >
> > Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
> >
> > "Why You Got Fat"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
> >
> > "Big Fat Lies"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
> >
> > "Diets and Hunger"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
> >
> > The average American has been brainwashed by years of
> > Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat, while
> > lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood
> > sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced
> > corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
> >
> > BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat
> > elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat mice?
> > ;-)
> >
> > There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous
> > saying...even amongst Meateaters.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: [fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

Both the Japanese and the Chinese have extremely low rates of obesity. They also eat very little meat. I don't think they have been brainwashed by anyone, and they do in fact gain weight when they switch to a "Western" diet, so it's not genes. What is even more interesting is that even when exercise is taken into account, Chinese men eat MORE calories and still are skinnier than their American counterparts. They also have a lower rate of diabetes.

I think this is evidence that there are other factors at work, not just "macronutrients". It may well be that American-style carbs are deadly in terms of weight, and certainly *some* people do better on a diet like you suggest. But to generalize to "all carbs" doesn't make sense until you figure out what is going on for billions of people in Asia.

There is another factor at work, it seems. My educated guess is that it has to do with *wheat* carbs (gluten messes with the villi in the intestine, changing satiety) and total iron in the diet (high ferritin levels correlate with insulin resistance, and American carbs are mostly high in bio-available iron).

I'm not at all sure what you mean by peanuts and elephants vs. Japanese. Elephants aren't generally fat in any case: they have a huge belly because they digest a ton of grass a day. Same with gorillas.

Anyway, the cutting-edge researchers right now are not focusing so much on percentage of macronutrients, as on details about what those macronutrients are. Just like you can't lump all "fats" together (trans-fats ARE bad, absolutely, for instance) you also can't lump all "carbs" together. Not all protein is the same either: fish protein acts differently in the body than cheese, and cheese is different than beef. You seem to be very happy with your diet, and suggesting it to other people can be helpful, but there isn't enough evidence to be absolutist about it, I think.

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:13 AM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@gmail.com> wrote:

Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.

Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.

Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.

"Why You Got Fat"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE

"Big Fat Lies"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

"Diets and Hunger"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4

The average American has been brainwashed by years of Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat, while lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.

BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat mice? ;-)

There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous saying...even amongst Meateaters.

Barnaby


 

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[fast5] Re: First post here

I would eat more saturated fats and less canola oil

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/tags/saturated-fat/

http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/528-importance-of-saturated-fats-for-biological-functions.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/559-the-great-con-ola.html

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Jump4Joy" <joy2garden@...> wrote:

> You make a good point about looking at changing the macronutrients in my diet, and I have been gradually doing that by increasing complex carbs, lean proteins, and minimizing less-healthy foods. I find that the longer I do this fast, the more I gravitate naturally to healthier foods. I eliminated high-fructose corn syrup years ago, along with any kind of sweet caloric drinks, trans-fats, saturated fat (with the exception of occasional real butter), and never deep-fry anything and instead use healthier cooking methods using olive or canola oil sparingly when oil is needed. I've studied nutrition enough to know at-a-glance the caloric, protein, and fat content of almost any food I see. Doing Fast-5 has virtually eliminated my nibbling problem, which I now know was caused by Limbic hunger eating.

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[fast5] Insulin is at the root of fat storage Re: First post here

Glad I'm not an average American just individual English lady!

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@...> wrote:
>
> Fasting benefits fat loss because of lowered insulin levels.
>
> Fatty meat doesn't increase insulin levels.
>
> Same can't be said of grains and starchy carbs.
>
> "Why You Got Fat"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYlIcXynwE
>
> "Big Fat Lies"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
>
> "Diets and Hunger"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akz9B-zMS-4
>
> The average American has been brainwashed by years of Corporate/Gov-controlled media talking about the "evil" of fatty meat, while lauding carbohydrates, with their penchant for increasing blood sugar...which can then be "fixed" by a variety of obscenely-priced corporately-produced and marketed pharmaceuticals.
>
> BTW, are the skinny Japanese who eat lots of rice analogous to the fat elephants who eat peanuts?...or maybe it's the skinny snakes who eat mice? ;-)
>
> There is a reason that "comparing apples to apples" became a famous saying...even amongst Meateaters.
>
> Barnaby
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Nic" <nicollbarker@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Spot on Heather. As a vegetarian I obviously never eat meat or animal fats and do munch lots of carbs, mainly in the form of vegetables but also rice and potatoes too. I have no problems maintaining my weight eating this way. The only thing I find is I get bloating when I overdo the fruit which I often do as I love fruit but it always goes by next morning.
> >
> > You soon learn what makes your body feel heavy and lethargic, for some that maybe carbs for others that maybe meat it is all about finding what works for you.
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There are a lot of differing opinions on this, and the data is not all in
> > > yet. One thing is: the Japanese, as a nation, are way skinnier than
> > > Americans, and they eat a lot of carbs, mostly rice. There really isn't any
> > > correlation between "overall carbs" and "obesity" in any country data I've
> > > seen. Some people do not do well on a diet that has a lot of meat. Some can
> > > live happily off chunks of butter and cheese. Others do better on a diet
> > > that is mostly vegetables. It's probably safe to say that most junk snack
> > > foods are not a great idea, but some people on Fast-5 eat those too and
> > > still lose weight.
> > >
> > > The thing to do is experiment, see what YOUR body wants. Fast-5 makes it
> > > easy to do that, since there are fewer meals and spaced further apart. Keep
> > > a food log: see what meals 1. Make you feel good and 2. Make you feel
> > > satiated and 3. Promote weight loss for you. Might be that, like Barnaby,
> > > you really need steak. Or it might be that you need a plate of sushi!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:29 PM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Afraid you're picking up on the wrong buzzwords, like "complex carbs". Any
> > > > kind of carbs are an enemy of weightloss.
> > > >
> > > > Don't believe the demonization of saturated animal fats, including butter
> > > > and lard, either. "Low-Fat" is finally getting it's well-deserved
> > > > come-uppance. Quit buying into the Gov./Media brainwashing against animal
> > > > fats and their pushing of grains, complex or not.
> > > >
> > > > You, yourself, are demonizing he word "Diet" as a bad word for deprivation.
> > > >
> > > > Your fasting is a good form of deprivation.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions to change your "Diet" (way of eating) along with the fasting
> > > > are to eat animal protein MEAT and saturated animal fat, for hunger
> > > > satisfaction, and reducing sugars and starchy carbs to a minimum.
> > > >
> > > > Studying Gary Taube's "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and watching some of
> > > > his YouTube lectures along with "FatHead" documentary, will be helpful in
> > > > educating you about WOE, when not in the fasting stage.
> > > > Barry Groves discusses this relationship with fat more:
> > > > http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/low-carb_index.html
> > > >
> > > > Carbs should be your primary enemy. Satisfy your hunger with meat and
> > > > animal fats. Quit believing he B.S. that has been a constant Media
> > > > brainwashing for 3 decades. What Grandma ate, was the right thing...meat,
> > > > fats like butter and lard, and few starches.
> > > >
> > > > Getting off of Grains brings many health benefits. Not only because of
> > > > lower carbs, but it opens up the breathing passages for many. I couldn't
> > > > blieve how much clearer my breathing became after I quit eating any bread
> > > > (even if it was a "good" Multi-EIGHT-Grain bread.
> > > >
> > > > Double-Team your thinning regimen as many do with both Fasting and Way of
> > > > Eating.
> > > >
> > > > Barnaby
> > > >
>

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