Thursday, March 29, 2012

[fast5] Paleo Diet: Fasting And Cancer

Paleo Diet: Fasting And Cancer

"According to Valter Longo, a cancer researcher from USC, "normal cells" go into survival mode during starvation. They display "extreme resistance to stresses" until the "lean period" ends, much like an animal in hibernation mode. Cancer cells, on the other hand, are always "on." Their "goal" is to grow and reproduce and consume resources. For cancer cells, there is no novel survival mode to switch on. If this is the case, fasting should both improve our resistance to cancer and our body's ability to survive it (and the treatments used against it, like chemotherapy)."

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012

[fast5] Re: BF doesn't like Fast-5

just in case you are interested... i went to doc yesterday (annual visit). he was very supportive and happy with the results of my being on fast 5 the past year. he said i was doing a great job and keep it up. i lost 20 lbs and my cholestrol was a little lower. if a doctor sees the benefit and doesn't say it's unhealthy then your friends shouldn't worry about it.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Dalton <stephanie.dalton12@...> wrote:
>
> I have found the same problem with people at work because they tell me it's unhealthy and I told them that there is plenty of research to support IF and they said you can find research to support anything.  What I finally said is that IF allows my body to detox and get rid of excess, unwanted garbage that my body may have packed on and I tell them that I feel healthier.  I have more energy and feel better about myself and then I just don't talk to them about it anymore. 
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 5:42 AM
> Subject: [fast5] Re: BF doesn't like Fast-5
>
>
>  
> being single adult female wayyy over 21, i tend to do what i want. i appreciate other's opinions but in the end i make my own decisions. saying that, i mentioned fast five to my doctor. i totally expected a negnegative reaction and was very pleased he wasn't. he said, "that sounds interesting, let me know how it works for you". if a doctor doesn't freak out or say don't do it, then other's can't either (in my opinion!).
>
> if it works for you then you hang in there! and good luck
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@> wrote:
> >
> > My boyfriend doesn't like me being on Fast-5. He doesn't tell me what to do, and believe me, I wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. But I am sensitive to him feeling concern, feeling uncomfortable... so I just don't talk about it. He thinks it's unhealthy, says I am starving myself. We don't live together, so he doesn't know when I eat. He does notice I don't eat breakfast. He doesn't bug me that much really.
> >
> > I don't tell hardly any of my friends, I think most of them would scoff.
> >
> > - T
> >
>


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Monday, March 26, 2012

Re: [fast5] Keeping Insulin Low Re: BF doesn't like Fast-5



The latest issue of Parrillo magazine had an interesting take on the low-carb diets. This is basically geared for body-builders, but it interests me because the Parrillo people routinely take fat people and turn them into lean, muscular people ... they DO know how to do it scientifically. [I know a lot of people think the body-builders are all on steroids, but I don't think so. Many are adamantly anti-drug, and the women body-builders just can't get the muscle mass that guys have, no matter what]. I used their program many years ago and it did work, but I stopped mainly because it takes more discipline than I have. (At our small company we all went on the diet at the same time, and we all lost weight, although none of us wanted to become body-builders). They are also into the 5-meal-a-day thing, which is really difficult without helps like protein bars and shakes, which are hard to get in a GFCF form! I don't think the constant eating though, is really the key. Constant eating is a rarity historically and around the world.


Anyway, their take is that when fat and carbs are eaten together, the carbs block the body from using fat. So if you go low-carb, then the body starts using fat, just like the low-carbers say. And if you go on a high-carb low-fat diet, then you can also lose weight, just like the low-fat people say. But if you combine the two, it's hard to lose weight.

However, they use MCT instead of other fats, and that seems to keep the "fat burning" channel open even when there are carbs in the diet. They found that on low-carb diets, the athletes lose energy. This may be an individual thing. But the Parrillo plan includes "some" carbs with every meal (yams, brown rice, oats), plus lots of what they call "fibrous vegetables" (greens etc), plus plenty of protein (fish, chicken, eggs). They allow whole wheat too, but when I've seen examples of the meals, the wheat is basically something like steamed bulgur, and oats are more common.

So this might be part of the secret of the Asian diet. It's not really super-high carb, but there is rice with each meal, or yams, and plenty of vegies. The same kinds of proteins are used (fish, chicken, eggs), which all happen to be high-methionine low-iron-storage proteins. Not much oil is used in cooking, but in much of Asia, the oil used is coconut, which is where MCT comes from, and seseme, which has the essential fatty acids that keep skin healthy.

Given the choice though, Asian cooking is way more tasty ... it also might result in a different body structure, since Bruce Lee, as strong as he was, didn't have the huge muscles. The "huge muscle mass" think might be either technique, genes, hormones, or all of the above. Bruce Lee stuck to his Chinese-based diet though, and it worked for him! 

Segue to Sumo wrestlers, who have a more typical American body type ... their diet is based on wheat noodles, beef/pork, and vegies. Also very strong, but not exactly "ripped" :-)  The contrast is really interesting to me ... I can see several factors at work, possibly synchronistically. Ruminant proteins are rather different than those in fish and poultry, and the fat is a different type too. Wheat causes temporary leaky gut, which might cause over-absorption of iron, and disables the villi (extremely so in some people) maybe allowing over-eating. Ruminant fat and heme meat allow more iron absorption too, and iron causes the same kind of insulin surge that you see with carbs. And they have the high-fat high-carb type diet that the Parriillo people say to avoid.



On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@gmail.com> wrote:
Low Insulin levels is the too often neglected benefits of Fasting.

Just today, the "news" was proclaiming the benefits of those in a study of those with gastric bypass surgery able to go off their Diabetes type 2 medicine, because of the body adjusting itself through diet to better handle insulin.

Low Insulin has so many health benefits, which is why low carb is beneficial as well as the lower insulin levels as a result of fasting.

Too many benefits can be found as the result of what and when you eat. Don't expect the medical community to always state what's best. I see St John's Wort as the most effective "medicine" I give my 80 year old parents with dementia. This herbal anti-depressant used often in Europe but pretty much neglected in US, and the high buck prescription meds don't do nearly as much. My Mom's neurologist thankfully gave approval that the St John's Wort could be helpful, while many others in the Alzheimer caretakers community simply follow the Dr. suggestions of only the prescription meds.

The medical "experts" that recommend 5 meals a day, I personally ignore since seeing the true benefits of fasting.

A fatty meal gives stick to itiveness to a meal of meat and green vegetables, while avoiding the "staff of life" BREAD is probably the  best thing possible for good health. I had questioned Heather's rice recommendation because of high carbs but have seen first hand it as a great meal addition with fish and depend upon fasting to deliver benefits that a low carb person would likely avoid.

In short, better to believe the low insulin people.

Barnaby


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> I have found the same problem with people at work because they tell me it's unhealthy and I told them that there is plenty of research to support IF and they said you can find research to support anything.  What I finally said is that IF allows my body to detox and get rid of excess, unwanted garbage that my body may have packed on and I tell them that I feel healthier.  I have more energy and feel better about myself and then I just don't talk to them about it anymore. 




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[fast5] Keeping Insulin Low Re: BF doesn't like Fast-5

Low Insulin levels is the too often neglected benefits of Fasting.

Just today, the "news" was proclaiming the benefits of those in a study of those with gastric bypass surgery able to go off their Diabetes type 2 medicine, because of the body adjusting itself through diet to better handle insulin.

Low Insulin has so many health benefits, which is why low carb is beneficial as well as the lower insulin levels as a result of fasting.

Too many benefits can be found as the result of what and when you eat. Don't expect the medical community to always state what's best. I see St John's Wort as the most effective "medicine" I give my 80 year old parents with dementia. This herbal anti-depressant used often in Europe but pretty much neglected in US, and the high buck prescription meds don't do nearly as much. My Mom's neurologist thankfully gave approval that the St John's Wort could be helpful, while many others in the Alzheimer caretakers community simply follow the Dr. suggestions of only the prescription meds.

The medical "experts" that recommend 5 meals a day, I personally ignore since seeing the true benefits of fasting.

A fatty meal gives stick to itiveness to a meal of meat and green vegetables, while avoiding the "staff of life" BREAD is probably the best thing possible for good health. I had questioned Heather's rice recommendation because of high carbs but have seen first hand it as a great meal addition with fish and depend upon fasting to deliver benefits that a low carb person would likely avoid.

In short, better to believe the low insulin people.

Barnaby


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Dalton <stephanie.dalton12@...> wrote:
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> I have found the same problem with people at work because they tell me it's unhealthy and I told them that there is plenty of research to support IF and they said you can find research to support anything.  What I finally said is that IF allows my body to detox and get rid of excess, unwanted garbage that my body may have packed on and I tell them that I feel healthier.  I have more energy and feel better about myself and then I just don't talk to them about it anymore. 


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Thanks Stephanie. Actually she's active, we do Zumba together on the wii because it's fun, and she rides her bike, plays at the playground a couple of times a week. Just yesterday she was swimming laps in the pool for quite a while which I know is great for her. We live in south florida so we have the luxury of swimming this time of year :) I don't have a pool but my parents do and maybe we need to get there more during the week because I think that could be the answer as you & Heather both mentioned swimming.
Wendy


From: Stephanie Dalton <stephanie.dalton12@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Heather, question for you or anyone else with some insight.

 
I know at about that age I started gaining weight because of puberty but then I started swimming and the weight fell off easily.  A little exercise even just a family walk can go along way at that age.  My kids and I have started doing exercise together as it promotes bonding and creates healthy habits for the future.  Don't know if this will work for you but better to teach kids now and maybe avoid the problems later.

From: luvinlife2994 <wegwy@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: [fast5] Heather, question for you or anyone else with some insight.

 
I'm just curious, how old is your daughter? I have an 11 year old daughter with I'm sorry to say, a weight issue. She's not obese but she's got extra.We eat very healthy but she continues to put weight on. I never feed my children fast food, no juices, soda's, processed junk, ect. She has just gained 18 pounds in 5 months. The pediatrician comes to 2 conclusions, she's ready for a growth spurt or it's just puberty doing a number on her. They tested her bloods and said nothing seems out of the ordinary except for her hormones being off the charts right now. They complimented me on how healthy she is because her triglyceride & cholesterol readings were very good. I sometimes kind of have her IF for part of the day but just wasn't sure if she should. She does have a hearty appetite and volume may just be part of the problem. I always say eat only if your hungry not because the clock says it's lunchtime, dinner time etc...... Thanks for taking the time to read.
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I have found the same problem with people at work because they tell me it's unhealthy and I told them that there is plenty of research to support IF and they said you can find research to support anything.  What I finally said is that IF allows my body to detox and get rid of excess, unwanted garbage that my body may have packed on and I tell them that I feel healthier.  I have more energy and feel better about myself and then I just don't talk to them about it anymore. 

From: Sam <samdgood@yahoo.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 5:42 AM
Subject: [fast5] Re: BF doesn't like Fast-5

 
being single adult female wayyy over 21, i tend to do what i want. i appreciate other's opinions but in the end i make my own decisions. saying that, i mentioned fast five to my doctor. i totally expected a negnegative reaction and was very pleased he wasn't. he said, "that sounds interesting, let me know how it works for you". if a doctor doesn't freak out or say don't do it, then other's can't either (in my opinion!).

if it works for you then you hang in there! and good luck

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
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> My boyfriend doesn't like me being on Fast-5. He doesn't tell me what to do, and believe me, I wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. But I am sensitive to him feeling concern, feeling uncomfortable... so I just don't talk about it. He thinks it's unhealthy, says I am starving myself. We don't live together, so he doesn't know when I eat. He does notice I don't eat breakfast. He doesn't bug me that much really.
>
> I don't tell hardly any of my friends, I think most of them would scoff.
>
> - T
>





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Re: [fast5] Heather, question for you or anyone else with some insight.



I know at about that age I started gaining weight because of puberty but then I started swimming and the weight fell off easily.  A little exercise even just a family walk can go along way at that age.  My kids and I have started doing exercise together as it promotes bonding and creates healthy habits for the future.  Don't know if this will work for you but better to teach kids now and maybe avoid the problems later.

From: luvinlife2994 <wegwy@yahoo.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: [fast5] Heather, question for you or anyone else with some insight.

 
I'm just curious, how old is your daughter? I have an 11 year old daughter with I'm sorry to say, a weight issue. She's not obese but she's got extra.We eat very healthy but she continues to put weight on. I never feed my children fast food, no juices, soda's, processed junk, ect. She has just gained 18 pounds in 5 months. The pediatrician comes to 2 conclusions, she's ready for a growth spurt or it's just puberty doing a number on her. They tested her bloods and said nothing seems out of the ordinary except for her hormones being off the charts right now. They complimented me on how healthy she is because her triglyceride & cholesterol readings were very good. I sometimes kind of have her IF for part of the day but just wasn't sure if she should. She does have a hearty appetite and volume may just be part of the problem. I always say eat only if your hungry not because the clock says it's lunchtime, dinner time etc...... Thanks for taking the time to read.
Wendy





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Re: [fast5] Heather, question for you or anyone else with some insight.



Thanks for the reply. You gave me some great ideas. I do let my children have "junk" if they want. I don't totally take it away because I don't want them to rebel and only eat that. I don't keep it in the house, but if we go to a party I let them indulge in whatever they want. My daughter is pretty good about making the better choices on her own which I'm happy about. She usually donates her halloween candy as she has no interest in it. Asian cuisine might be how I need to start to go. I like quick, easy, & healthy! Thanks again:) happy


From: Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Heather, question for you or anyone else with some insight.

 
My daughter got "slightly chunky" at about that age. However, she got VERY chunky when she was about 5. At that point, due to health issues of my own, the house went off wheat, mainly because I refused to cook it (it turns out I have celiac). At that point, my daughter slimmed down. And also stopped having hissy fits, meltdowns, growth pains, and tummy aches. So she stayed slim until yeah, about 11-12, and got a little chunky, then she went into competitive swimming and got very compact, and she still is. She's 17 now and looks rather skinny, but her weight is at or above what it "should" be on the charts, I'm guessing because it's all muscle.

The theory I've been going on, for my kids, is that there should be loads of good food available, and not to be opinionated about what to eat. The idea being, they can learn to figure out their own appestat. When kids are told what to eat, they tend to rebel and overeat the "forbidden food" whenever it's available, and as they grow up, it's more and more available. So I serve lots of good food, but there is also candy and pop around. The candy inevitably goes bad and gets tossed to the chickens, and the pop is probably past it's pull date at this point. 

I guess at this point with 20-20 hindsight, I'd use even more plant materials in meals (lots of greens, plus carrots, onions, etc), and fish and eggs. If a growing body is needing nutrients, those are way better to "pig out" on, plus it's good to develop a taste for foods like a good stir-fry and not get into the habit of having a cuisine that works for life. My cooking more and more is based on Asian cuisine, which at it's best is very quick and easy, and is known to produce healthy humans.



On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM, luvinlife2994 <wegwy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm just curious, how old is your daughter? I have an 11 year old daughter with I'm sorry to say, a weight issue. She's not obese but she's got extra.We eat very healthy but she continues to put weight on. I never feed my children fast food, no juices, soda's, processed junk, ect. She has just gained 18 pounds in 5 months. The pediatrician comes to 2 conclusions, she's ready for a growth spurt or it's just puberty doing a number on her. They tested her bloods and said nothing seems out of the ordinary except for her hormones being off the charts right now. They complimented me on how healthy she is because her triglyceride & cholesterol readings were very good. I sometimes kind of have her IF for part of the day but just wasn't sure if she should. She does have a hearty appetite and volume may just be part of the problem. I always say eat only if your hungry not because the clock says it's lunchtime, dinner time etc...... Thanks for taking the time to read.
Wendy



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My daughter got "slightly chunky" at about that age. However, she got VERY chunky when she was about 5. At that point, due to health issues of my own, the house went off wheat, mainly because I refused to cook it (it turns out I have celiac). At that point, my daughter slimmed down. And also stopped having hissy fits, meltdowns, growth pains, and tummy aches. So she stayed slim until yeah, about 11-12, and got a little chunky, then she went into competitive swimming and got very compact, and she still is. She's 17 now and looks rather skinny, but her weight is at or above what it "should" be on the charts, I'm guessing because it's all muscle.


The theory I've been going on, for my kids, is that there should be loads of good food available, and not to be opinionated about what to eat. The idea being, they can learn to figure out their own appestat. When kids are told what to eat, they tend to rebel and overeat the "forbidden food" whenever it's available, and as they grow up, it's more and more available. So I serve lots of good food, but there is also candy and pop around. The candy inevitably goes bad and gets tossed to the chickens, and the pop is probably past it's pull date at this point. 

I guess at this point with 20-20 hindsight, I'd use even more plant materials in meals (lots of greens, plus carrots, onions, etc), and fish and eggs. If a growing body is needing nutrients, those are way better to "pig out" on, plus it's good to develop a taste for foods like a good stir-fry and not get into the habit of having a cuisine that works for life. My cooking more and more is based on Asian cuisine, which at it's best is very quick and easy, and is known to produce healthy humans.



On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:18 PM, luvinlife2994 <wegwy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm just curious, how old is your daughter? I have an 11 year old daughter with I'm sorry to say, a weight issue. She's not obese but she's got extra.We eat very healthy but she continues to put weight on. I never feed my children fast food, no juices, soda's, processed junk, ect. She has just gained 18 pounds in 5 months. The pediatrician comes to 2 conclusions, she's ready for a growth spurt or it's just puberty doing a number on her. They tested her bloods and said nothing seems out of the ordinary except for her hormones being off the charts right now. They complimented me on how healthy she is because her triglyceride & cholesterol readings were very good. I sometimes kind of have her IF for part of the day but just wasn't sure if she should. She does have a hearty appetite and volume may just be part of the problem. I always say eat only if your hungry not because the clock says it's lunchtime, dinner time etc...... Thanks for taking the time to read.
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[fast5] Heather, question for you or anyone else with some insight.

I'm just curious, how old is your daughter? I have an 11 year old daughter with I'm sorry to say, a weight issue. She's not obese but she's got extra.We eat very healthy but she continues to put weight on. I never feed my children fast food, no juices, soda's, processed junk, ect. She has just gained 18 pounds in 5 months. The pediatrician comes to 2 conclusions, she's ready for a growth spurt or it's just puberty doing a number on her. They tested her bloods and said nothing seems out of the ordinary except for her hormones being off the charts right now. They complimented me on how healthy she is because her triglyceride & cholesterol readings were very good. I sometimes kind of have her IF for part of the day but just wasn't sure if she should. She does have a hearty appetite and volume may just be part of the problem. I always say eat only if your hungry not because the clock says it's lunchtime, dinner time etc...... Thanks for taking the time to read.
Wendy

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When I met my husband, he was only eating one meal a day ... and had been doing that for years, mostly out of lack of interest in cooking. I had read all the stuff about eating 5 meals a day, so I dutifully made breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day, and kept plenty of snacks handy. He gained 30 lbs or so, the first time in his life he'd had any weight problem.


Sooo ... when I started IF, I just stopped cooking except the evening meal. He got back to his ideal weight, although he isn't "doing Fast-5", but he went back to just eating in the evening. He is exceedingly healthy for his age too, way more so than his siblings. However, he tends to get after my daughter for "not eating enough"! She has pretty much the same eating habits as he does, not bothering to put meals together until someone else does.

Calorie-wise, she really doesn't get all that many calories (she tracked it for a school project). What I keep saying though is: if a girl can haul 50-lb bags of chicken food, run up the hill, and jump to the ceiling, the kid is in good shape. She has amazing muscle strength and endurance, and gorgeous hair. I don't know how she does it on as little food as she seems to eat, but making a kid eat MORE in this country seems to be exactly the wrong thing to do.

Anyway, where the research is ... eating "too little" is basically healthier as long as the person is getting enough nutrients. Most of the needed nutrients are in plant foods ... fruits, tubers, greens. Fish and eggs are loaded with the rest of what a person needs. Unless you are doing major athletic stuff, you don't need a whole lot of calories, esp. as an adult. But it's pretty easy to tell if a person is really "starving" ... they get gaunt, have dry skin, etc. Eating one good meal a day doesn't cause starvation!

The people who keep saying it "ruins your metabolism" though, might well have a point. I kind of expect that fasting in general makes the metabolism more efficient. Your body gets good at recycling old cells, extracting nutrients from foods, etc. Doing Fast-5 I have NOT noticed any metabolism slowdown though. On many diets I would get "cold" and esp. get cold hands and feet, probably from my body going into "starvation mode". I simply haven't got that on Fast-5, nor does my husband or daughter. I do believe all of us are eating a whole lot less, but it hasn't ruined our metabolilsm. Ori Hofmacher has a theory that the metabolism is based on the *biggest* meal of the day ... if you eat little bits of food, then the body assumes food is scarce, keeps you hungry, and gears down the metabolic rate so you can get through a lean winter. But if you eat a good meal, to satiation, then the body assumes there is plenty of food, and if you aren't eating it means you are out hunting, so you need all the energy you can get.




On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Sam <samdgood@yahoo.com> wrote:
being single adult female wayyy over 21, i tend to do what i want. i appreciate other's opinions but in the end i make my own decisions. saying that, i mentioned fast five to my doctor. i totally expected a negnegative reaction and was very pleased he wasn't. he said, "that sounds interesting, let me know how it works for you". if a doctor doesn't freak out or say don't do it, then other's can't either (in my opinion!).

if it works for you then you hang in there! and good luck


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
>
> My boyfriend doesn't like me being on Fast-5. He doesn't tell me what to do, and believe me, I wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. But I am sensitive to him feeling concern, feeling uncomfortable... so I just don't talk about it. He thinks it's unhealthy, says I am starving myself. We don't live together, so he doesn't know when I eat. He does notice I don't eat breakfast. He doesn't bug me that much really.
>
> I don't tell hardly any of my friends, I think most of them would scoff.
>
>  - T
>




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being single adult female wayyy over 21, i tend to do what i want. i appreciate other's opinions but in the end i make my own decisions. saying that, i mentioned fast five to my doctor. i totally expected a negnegative reaction and was very pleased he wasn't. he said, "that sounds interesting, let me know how it works for you". if a doctor doesn't freak out or say don't do it, then other's can't either (in my opinion!).

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--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
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> My boyfriend doesn't like me being on Fast-5. He doesn't tell me what to do, and believe me, I wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. But I am sensitive to him feeling concern, feeling uncomfortable... so I just don't talk about it. He thinks it's unhealthy, says I am starving myself. We don't live together, so he doesn't know when I eat. He does notice I don't eat breakfast. He doesn't bug me that much really.
>
> I don't tell hardly any of my friends, I think most of them would scoff.
>
> - T
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Re: [fast5] Re: Need some advice



Barnaby swears by the combination of Fast-5 plus low-carb. I do best on fish and vegies with some rice, but that's pretty much what I like to eat too. Nuts are my downfall ... I can eat huge amounts of them, and they are calorific. They don't fill me up at all. Fish and eggs, fill me up. So I ration nuts.



On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:09 AM, stephanie.dalton12 <stephanie.dalton12@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wanted to thank you all for your great advice.  I am doing much better and not binging as much.  I am trying to do a low carb thing combined with it as then I tell myself no cookies or cakes which helps me avoid the sweet cravings.  Has anyone had success with low carb combined with fast five?  I haven't weighed yet but I'm feeling a little looser in the pants.  So, hope it's all going well.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Here is one thing that helps. Think of your meal as a multi-course dinner.
>  Preferably served
> by cute adoring slaves, if you have some handy. Otherwise, just plan a
> little bit, so you
> have a great meal to look forward to.
>
> First course: a big green salad. Lots of stuff you like on it. For
> dressing, be sure
> to use some vinegar (vinegar helps the appetite) and some olive oil. A
> honey/mustard/vinegrette
> is good. I like to add some shrimp and a sliced pickled egg too, maybe some
> artichoke hearts.
>
> For variety, instead of the salad, sometimes have a bowl of soup.
>
> Next course: protein. Fish and seafood are the most filling, but steak or
> chicken is fine
> too. Have a nice big chunk.
>
> After the protein, have some vegies. Any kind you want. I include potatoes
> in that,
> so a baked potato with broccoli would be good.
>
> Last, starches and dessert. At that point, you aren't going to feel like
> gorging. Generally
> I just don't have room for dessert by then, but if you promise yourself
> that you CAN
> have it, you are less likely to feel deprived.
>
> And don't rush the meal. Read a book, have conversation, watch TV ... make
> it a nice
> leisurely time of day. TASTE your food, and go for stuff you really like.
> You might
> find that when it comes down to it, cake isn't the tastiest food, it's just
> something
> you cram down your throat because you crave it.
>
> It appears from studies that protein is the "limiting factor" in the human
> diet, which
> is probably why "high protein" diets tend to work. Your body will keep
> craving
> food until it reaches the protein level it is looking for. That's one
> reason a person
> can eat an infinite amount of potato chips, but only a couple of
> hard-boiled eggs.
> Another thing is that different kinds of protein affect the appetite
> differently. Eggs
> and fish happen to be the most satiating proteins, along with dairy whey.
>
> The other limiting factor tends to be fiber. The best fiber is the fiber in
> vegies
> and fruits. It actually helps feed the gut cells, and keeps a person
> satisfied for
> a long time.
>
> Vinegar and yogurt also change how blood sugar reacts to a meal, so having
> either one at the beginning of the meal can help with appetite.
>
> Anyway, breaking your fast with starches, esp. sweet starches, is the least
> likely to rein in your appetite. Keep a salad in the fridge so you can grab
> THAT
> first, or some soup you can microwave quickly.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM, stephanie.dalton12 <
> stephanie.dalton12@...> wrote:
>
> > Okay I really need some advice.  I have been doing fast five for about 6
> > weeks.  I did have a break off on the weekends for the first three weeks
> > but have been steady for the last three weeks.  I am really struggling
> > still with absolute binging and not on good stuff.  I am eating cookies and
> > cakes and anything I can get in my mouth.  I do fine during the day.  I
> > really don't feel that hungry but once the window opens I go crazy.  Unsure
> > what to do.  I don't think I'm losing weight.  In fact, I'm worried I'm
> > gaining.  What do other people do to prevent this?  I feel totally
> > overstuffed when I'm done and don't feel good so it's not pleasant at all.
> >  Please help.  Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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My boyfriend doesn't like me being on Fast-5. He doesn't tell me what to do, and believe me, I wouldn't let anyone tell me what to do. But I am sensitive to him feeling concern, feeling uncomfortable... so I just don't talk about it. He thinks it's unhealthy, says I am starving myself. We don't live together, so he doesn't know when I eat. He does notice I don't eat breakfast. He doesn't bug me that much really.

I don't tell hardly any of my friends, I think most of them would scoff.

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Wanted to thank you all for your great advice. I am doing much better and not binging as much. I am trying to do a low carb thing combined with it as then I tell myself no cookies or cakes which helps me avoid the sweet cravings. Has anyone had success with low carb combined with fast five? I haven't weighed yet but I'm feeling a little looser in the pants. So, hope it's all going well.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Here is one thing that helps. Think of your meal as a multi-course dinner.
> Preferably served
> by cute adoring slaves, if you have some handy. Otherwise, just plan a
> little bit, so you
> have a great meal to look forward to.
>
> First course: a big green salad. Lots of stuff you like on it. For
> dressing, be sure
> to use some vinegar (vinegar helps the appetite) and some olive oil. A
> honey/mustard/vinegrette
> is good. I like to add some shrimp and a sliced pickled egg too, maybe some
> artichoke hearts.
>
> For variety, instead of the salad, sometimes have a bowl of soup.
>
> Next course: protein. Fish and seafood are the most filling, but steak or
> chicken is fine
> too. Have a nice big chunk.
>
> After the protein, have some vegies. Any kind you want. I include potatoes
> in that,
> so a baked potato with broccoli would be good.
>
> Last, starches and dessert. At that point, you aren't going to feel like
> gorging. Generally
> I just don't have room for dessert by then, but if you promise yourself
> that you CAN
> have it, you are less likely to feel deprived.
>
> And don't rush the meal. Read a book, have conversation, watch TV ... make
> it a nice
> leisurely time of day. TASTE your food, and go for stuff you really like.
> You might
> find that when it comes down to it, cake isn't the tastiest food, it's just
> something
> you cram down your throat because you crave it.
>
> It appears from studies that protein is the "limiting factor" in the human
> diet, which
> is probably why "high protein" diets tend to work. Your body will keep
> craving
> food until it reaches the protein level it is looking for. That's one
> reason a person
> can eat an infinite amount of potato chips, but only a couple of
> hard-boiled eggs.
> Another thing is that different kinds of protein affect the appetite
> differently. Eggs
> and fish happen to be the most satiating proteins, along with dairy whey.
>
> The other limiting factor tends to be fiber. The best fiber is the fiber in
> vegies
> and fruits. It actually helps feed the gut cells, and keeps a person
> satisfied for
> a long time.
>
> Vinegar and yogurt also change how blood sugar reacts to a meal, so having
> either one at the beginning of the meal can help with appetite.
>
> Anyway, breaking your fast with starches, esp. sweet starches, is the least
> likely to rein in your appetite. Keep a salad in the fridge so you can grab
> THAT
> first, or some soup you can microwave quickly.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:44 AM, stephanie.dalton12 <
> stephanie.dalton12@...> wrote:
>
> > Okay I really need some advice. I have been doing fast five for about 6
> > weeks. I did have a break off on the weekends for the first three weeks
> > but have been steady for the last three weeks. I am really struggling
> > still with absolute binging and not on good stuff. I am eating cookies and
> > cakes and anything I can get in my mouth. I do fine during the day. I
> > really don't feel that hungry but once the window opens I go crazy. Unsure
> > what to do. I don't think I'm losing weight. In fact, I'm worried I'm
> > gaining. What do other people do to prevent this? I feel totally
> > overstuffed when I'm done and don't feel good so it's not pleasant at all.
> > Please help. Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>


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Re: [fast5] Need some advice too



Thanks! Sounds like you are really thinking all this through. It's great

to have a nice support team.

Experimenting is good! Do share the results ... it helps all the rest of us.


On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:14 AM, gremlinpugs <gremlinpugs@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi Heather.

First I wanted to say thank you for your thoughtful and kind response. I have been so busy I couldn't respond sooner to thank you. I am definitely going to look at the konjac as a possibility. I shared your information with my personal trainer (sorry it went to the group when I forwarded it to him and for not asking first).

My trainer is really into nutrition and does a lot of research. He was once very over-weight, so he really understands where we are all coming from that fight the weight war. He is very open to learning new ideas and how they help different people. I owe him a lot for helping me get as far as I have.

I think you are correct that my digestion is at fault as I have been tested and I am monitored closely by my Doctor, Trainer, etc. We haven't found any medical issues like ulcers or thyroid or celiacs, etc. What is weird is I also have a reaction to pro-biotics that are the latest out there. These are suppose to help digestion and for me, well lets just say I curl into a fetal position and wish I were dead if I take any -- even doctor prescribed ones.

I also eat a high Asian diet. Just happen to love the food and it isn't that hard to make. I just substitute quinoa for rice, pasta or anywhere I would use rice or pasta. It is much healthier for me personally. I also make my own salad dressings and vinegar is one of the ingredients, so it is nice to know I am on the right track. 

Again thank you so much. I am really struggling with this full feeling in the morning. I am so careful about what I eat at night and sometimes just say enough and go to bed hungry anyway cause I KNOW I will feel full in the morning.

Have a great day.
 
Sincerely
Jennifer Lupo, D.M.

From: Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Need some advice too

 
Congratulations on your progress! Your diet does sound very good.

As for an overfull feeling the next morning ... could be lots of things. I was having
stomach issues for some time and it turned out to be ulcers! Sheesh. So
just theorizing, here are some possibilities:

1. Digestion issues. If your stomach doesn't feel good, sometimes that
comes across as hunger, sometimes as feeling over-full. Stomach issues
can include ulcers (drinking tea on an empty stomach did it to me: I still
drink tea, but only with food), food intolerance (wheat, dairy, soy, corn are
the usual culprits), lack of ability to digest fats (gall bladder issues).

2. Hormonal issues: Hormones can do it. Being pregnant (or your body
THINKING it is pregnant) can do it.


The fact that a number of foods make you sick kind of suggests to me 
that your digestion isn't working well. The thing that helped me with that
was konjac ... the powder is kind of expensive but a pound of it lasts
a LONG time. Take 1/4 tsp. with some water (do NOT try to eat it dry:
it sticks to your mouth!), with your main food. You can also buy it in
pill form, PGX. I have not found it to be an appetite suppressant, as
they claim, but it does help digestion a lot.

What this does is it "stretches out" digestion, so your body enzymes
have more time to work on the food. Konjac also seems to prevent
or cure ulcers. It's been used in Asian cuisine for 1,000 years or so.

I also was having an issue with GERD, and what helped with that was
d-limonene. You can also just eat a bit of orange peel, which is where
limonene comes from. I started using lime juice more in my cooking
(and on salads) and using a slice of organic lime in hot or cold water.

For awhile I was also taking HCL tablets with meals. I think my
stomach just didn't have enough acid in it. I did that for a year or
so, but then for some reason my own HCL kicked in again and I
didn't need it. With HCL, you keep taking a bit more and more until
you get heartburn, then scale it back. If you don't have enough HCL,
then you can't digest protein well at all. 

Sometimes eating ginger with meals helps a lot. Vinegar too: it's
a natural on salads anyway.

Anyway, experiment! When you find what works, let the rest of
us know for future reference!



On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:04 AM, gremlinpugs <gremlinpugs@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I have been doing fast5 for almost 2 years now. It has been terrific for me in a lot of ways. I am not focused on the actual number of my weight or even the inches, just getting healthy and this seems to be working for the most part.

I was working with a traditional nutritionist and dietician, I did everything they told me including the food journal. They couldn't figure out why I would gain weight and was very sick to my stomach from feeling over full all the time.

At any rate, when I found fast5 a lot of my issues changed and I lost 75 lbs. Unfortunately, do to personal issues causing way too much stress I started gaining back some of that weight. Luckily no inches with it, so that is why I don't even look at the numbers anymore.

Well getting (finally) to my issue. Over the last 4 months or so, I have noticed that over full feeling coming back in the mornings. My window is 6:30pm to 11:30pm because of my job monday to friday. Saturday and Sunday I generally eat earlier. I also don't use the full 5 hours as I don't need to. Much like Heather suggested, I do spread my meal out.
I start with a nice salad of dark leafy greens mixed with almonds or pine nuts and mixed with fresh berries (like blueberries or strawberries). After I have my salad, I put together and cook my main meal. Now, I don't like meat at all especially red meat. So my main meal consists of things like fish (not shell fish), beans, quinoa, and stuff like that. After I have eaten and cleaned everything up, if I am still hungry (which almost never happens anymore), I tend to drink some herbal tea or water. I do drink lots of water.

Foods I cannot eat cause they either make me sick or I just don't like them at all include meats, cheeses, some veggies when cooked like spinach (can eat that raw, but not cooked), peanuts, milk, eggs, and foods like these.

I have been tested for all kinds of issues like my thyroid. But I come out healthy if over weight (obese by medical standards -- I am 5ft 3in and 199 lbs). My personal trainer doesn't think I am obese or over weight, I just have a lot of toning to do. :) :0) 

At any rate, I am trying to figure out how I am feeling so sick in the morning and like I ate 5 times as much food as I really did. My total calories from what I eat generally is between 800 and 1000. Some of my doctors say I am not eating enough. But I am NOT hungry and if I eat more, I get that over full feeling and sick to my stomach.

Can anyone help? Give me some advise? I just don't want to feel sick or stuffed anymore. I feel fine after I have eaten, but not the next morning. :(
 
Sincerely
Jennifer Lupo, D.M.







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Hi Heather.

First I wanted to say thank you for your thoughtful and kind response. I have been so busy I couldn't respond sooner to thank you. I am definitely going to look at the konjac as a possibility. I shared your information with my personal trainer (sorry it went to the group when I forwarded it to him and for not asking first).

My trainer is really into nutrition and does a lot of research. He was once very over-weight, so he really understands where we are all coming from that fight the weight war. He is very open to learning new ideas and how they help different people. I owe him a lot for helping me get as far as I have.

I think you are correct that my digestion is at fault as I have been tested and I am monitored closely by my Doctor, Trainer, etc. We haven't found any medical issues like ulcers or thyroid or celiacs, etc. What is weird is I also have a reaction to pro-biotics that are the latest out there. These are suppose to help digestion and for me, well lets just say I curl into a fetal position and wish I were dead if I take any -- even doctor prescribed ones.

I also eat a high Asian diet. Just happen to love the food and it isn't that hard to make. I just substitute quinoa for rice, pasta or anywhere I would use rice or pasta. It is much healthier for me personally. I also make my own salad dressings and vinegar is one of the ingredients, so it is nice to know I am on the right track. 

Again thank you so much. I am really struggling with this full feeling in the morning. I am so careful about what I eat at night and sometimes just say enough and go to bed hungry anyway cause I KNOW I will feel full in the morning.

Have a great day.
 
Sincerely
Jennifer Lupo, D.M.

From: Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Need some advice too

 
Congratulations on your progress! Your diet does sound very good.

As for an overfull feeling the next morning ... could be lots of things. I was having
stomach issues for some time and it turned out to be ulcers! Sheesh. So
just theorizing, here are some possibilities:

1. Digestion issues. If your stomach doesn't feel good, sometimes that
comes across as hunger, sometimes as feeling over-full. Stomach issues
can include ulcers (drinking tea on an empty stomach did it to me: I still
drink tea, but only with food), food intolerance (wheat, dairy, soy, corn are
the usual culprits), lack of ability to digest fats (gall bladder issues).

2. Hormonal issues: Hormones can do it. Being pregnant (or your body
THINKING it is pregnant) can do it.


The fact that a number of foods make you sick kind of suggests to me 
that your digestion isn't working well. The thing that helped me with that
was konjac ... the powder is kind of expensive but a pound of it lasts
a LONG time. Take 1/4 tsp. with some water (do NOT try to eat it dry:
it sticks to your mouth!), with your main food. You can also buy it in
pill form, PGX. I have not found it to be an appetite suppressant, as
they claim, but it does help digestion a lot.

What this does is it "stretches out" digestion, so your body enzymes
have more time to work on the food. Konjac also seems to prevent
or cure ulcers. It's been used in Asian cuisine for 1,000 years or so.

I also was having an issue with GERD, and what helped with that was
d-limonene. You can also just eat a bit of orange peel, which is where
limonene comes from. I started using lime juice more in my cooking
(and on salads) and using a slice of organic lime in hot or cold water.

For awhile I was also taking HCL tablets with meals. I think my
stomach just didn't have enough acid in it. I did that for a year or
so, but then for some reason my own HCL kicked in again and I
didn't need it. With HCL, you keep taking a bit more and more until
you get heartburn, then scale it back. If you don't have enough HCL,
then you can't digest protein well at all. 

Sometimes eating ginger with meals helps a lot. Vinegar too: it's
a natural on salads anyway.

Anyway, experiment! When you find what works, let the rest of
us know for future reference!



On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:04 AM, gremlinpugs <gremlinpugs@yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi all.

I have been doing fast5 for almost 2 years now. It has been terrific for me in a lot of ways. I am not focused on the actual number of my weight or even the inches, just getting healthy and this seems to be working for the most part.

I was working with a traditional nutritionist and dietician, I did everything they told me including the food journal. They couldn't figure out why I would gain weight and was very sick to my stomach from feeling over full all the time.

At any rate, when I found fast5 a lot of my issues changed and I lost 75 lbs. Unfortunately, do to personal issues causing way too much stress I started gaining back some of that weight. Luckily no inches with it, so that is why I don't even look at the numbers anymore.

Well getting (finally) to my issue. Over the last 4 months or so, I have noticed that over full feeling coming back in the mornings. My window is 6:30pm to 11:30pm because of my job monday to friday. Saturday and Sunday I generally eat earlier. I also don't use the full 5 hours as I don't need to. Much like Heather suggested, I do spread my meal out.
I start with a nice salad of dark leafy greens mixed with almonds or pine nuts and mixed with fresh berries (like blueberries or strawberries). After I have my salad, I put together and cook my main meal. Now, I don't like meat at all especially red meat. So my main meal consists of things like fish (not shell fish), beans, quinoa, and stuff like that. After I have eaten and cleaned everything up, if I am still hungry (which almost never happens anymore), I tend to drink some herbal tea or water. I do drink lots of water.

Foods I cannot eat cause they either make me sick or I just don't like them at all include meats, cheeses, some veggies when cooked like spinach (can eat that raw, but not cooked), peanuts, milk, eggs, and foods like these.

I have been tested for all kinds of issues like my thyroid. But I come out healthy if over weight (obese by medical standards -- I am 5ft 3in and 199 lbs). My personal trainer doesn't think I am obese or over weight, I just have a lot of toning to do. :) :0) 

At any rate, I am trying to figure out how I am feeling so sick in the morning and like I ate 5 times as much food as I really did. My total calories from what I eat generally is between 800 and 1000. Some of my doctors say I am not eating enough. But I am NOT hungry and if I eat more, I get that over full feeling and sick to my stomach.

Can anyone help? Give me some advise? I just don't want to feel sick or stuffed anymore. I feel fine after I have eaten, but not the next morning. :(
 
Sincerely
Jennifer Lupo, D.M.







--
Heather Twist
http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
 
 




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Sunday, March 18, 2012

[fast5] Re: Need some advice too

Any prolonged fasts bring on what I believe is gall bladder pain. I breakfast at noon everyday and I don't eat at all on Mondays. Tuesdays can be a bit painful but then it goes away. Not enough to see a physician but enough to let me know it's there. I read that the gall bladder gets confused over the amount of food. And no, I'm not eating vats of bacon grease. There may be a french fry or two but generally an OK diet. :-)

-Mo

"True celiac requires a way more careful diet to
> get the body to heal. Also there are other issues that people get ... like
> someone we know turned out to have appendicitis and didn't catch it until
> it burst. Gall bladder problems will cause pain too."


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