[fast5] Re: My report after eight months (good news)

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "aphraat09" <kang@...> wrote:

> Sasha
> P.S. How much more do you want to lose?

That is a very interesting question. I do not have an answer.

I am a 45 year old male. My height is 6 feet 1 inch. If anyone has any suggestions as to what my ideal weight should be, I would really appreciate it.

Rob

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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Looks like resveratol is known to help in insulin resistance
anyway ... whatever the method is ...

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/290/6/E1339

resveratrol administration significantly decreased insulin secretion
and delayed the onset of insulin resistance. Further studies showed
that glucose uptake by hepatocytes, adipocytes, and skeletal muscle
and hepatic glycogen synthesis were all stimulated by resveratrol
treatment. Because the stimulation of glucose uptake was not
attenuated in the presence of an optimal amount of insulin in
insulin-responsive cells, the antihyperglycemic effect of resveratrol
appeared to act through a mechanism(s) different from that of insulin.

==============

I'm not sure what glucose levels "should be" either, BTW. The thing to do
would be to test some really healthy people living on the ideal
human diet (whatever that is). What Dr. Bert said about BMI is
really on the mark ... my daughter weighs a good 40 lbs more
than what most kids her age and height do, and she is not
fat, she's pure muscle.

My own BG readings used to be really high when I "got hungry" ...
and I don't think that was due to insulin resistance. They went
back down after I ate.

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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm. I am finding some reduction of my blood sugar with resveratrol.
> Isn't that the stuff from grape juice?

Hey, you may be onto something. Look at this:

) Resveratrol and ferritin regulation

We have recently discovered that the polyphenolic compound
resveratrol, found in red grape skins, affects transcriptional
regulation of the ferritin H gene. In this capacity, resveratrol
serves as an anti-oxidant by preventing excess iron from producing
oxidative stress via the Fenton reaction. My project is focused on
elucidating the pathway of resveratrol mediated ferritin H gene
regulation, from cellular signaling molecules to transcription
factors, to the specific areas of the ferritin H gene promoter.

http://service004.hpc.ncsu.edu/toxicology/faculty/tsuji/index.htm

I think I should go get some ... sounds like an easy experiment ...

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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Actually I think that's 100,000, not a million ... I'll have to read the
chart again ...

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Heather Twist<heathertwist@gmail.com> wrote:
> Resveratol is in grape juice, but I'm not sure it's what interferes
> with iron absorption. The thing I read was basically talking about
> iron-deficiency ... some foods, taken with a meal high in iron,
> prevent absorption. Grape juice, prune juice, cayenne, and whole
> grains fall into that category.
>
> Other foods actively chelate iron: VIt C, turmeric. Grape juice
> has Vit C, but it also has whatever it has that prevents absorption.
> So it gets complicated.
>
> The beef thing just floors me though. Beef is associated with
> raising blood ferritin levels. Fish are not. But there IS iron in
> fish (and most other animal foods), and it's the kind of iron that
> should be absorbed. So what is it about beef? It doesn't appear
> to be race-dependent ... Northern Europeans are definitely
> different (I was reading Jared Diamond today, and if I interpret
> him correctly, Europeans branched off from the rest of humanity
> some one million years ago ????) ... but other people who eat
> beef also get higher ferritin levels. Which for most nations is
> a *good* thing.
>
> Mind you I eat local too, and we get our one grass-fed cow
> a year, and I'm picking up this year's beef in a couple of days.
> So I'm really looking for a different answer. (we do have local
> fish though: the humpys are running!).
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmmm. I am finding some reduction of my blood sugar with resveratrol.
>> Isn't that the stuff from grape juice?
>>
>> I have Northern European genes on both sides.  I have for a long time
>> had this sense that fish would probably be the best thing for me to
>> eat most of the time  I try to eat it often , but ya know,    here we
>> are with our little "modernhomestead", trying to eat local and, well,
>> fish just isn't that local!  But, as I said we have lots of our own
>> poultry these days and it needs to be eaten. So I will  see if it
>> makes any difference
>>
>> The other way that  turmeric could work is that if it does reduce
>> iron, which then reduces Diabetes. and also the high undiagnosed post
>> prandial blood sugar, you  will then  have both  less vascular
>> dementia and less AGEs which can be a cause of plaque formation in the
>> brain of Alzheimers patients.
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>> On 8/31/09, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not planning on adding grains either, at least not the
>>> wheat variety. My diet now is mainly meats and vegies
>>> and fruit. But I have cut down on "beef" as an experiment.
>>> I mean, we have chicken and goose and duck and lots of types
>>> of fish, and pork and lamb. I feel the best when I eat the most
>>> fish.
>>>
>>> Turmeric pulls iron out of the system: it's a "moderate chelator".
>>> This is mainly interesting in terms of India: the thought has been
>>> that the turmeric somehow prevents Alzheimer's, and now they
>>> are thinking that maybe the way this happens is that turmeric
>>> leeches iron out of the system.
>>>
>>> I don't really think this has been a problem for most of history.
>>> For most of history humans had gut parasites, and people with
>>> parasites are usually iron deficient. Also, there is a very good
>>> iron-regulating system inside people. The gut cells absorb iron
>>> and only release it to the blood as needed: the gut cells then
>>> slough off (they only live 3 days or so) and take the iron with
>>> them.
>>>
>>> However, a goodly chunk of the Northern European population
>>> has genes that prevent this. I'm not sure about other populations.
>>> But if you lack the "iron protection" service, then it's easy to
>>> overdose. On the other hand, if you DO have the iron protection
>>> genes, then it's unlikely you have too much iron. So it's not
>>> really something that one can guess at. It's very genetic.
>>>
>>> Also what isn't known is what blood ferritin levels SHOULD be.
>>> What is clear is that people in the higher ferritin level categories
>>> are more prone to heart disease and T2 diabetes. But there
>>> really needs to be more research on it.
>>>
>>> For myself though, I'm pretty sure that this is an issue in my
>>> family. I'll be getting the tests I think, including the genetic
>>> tests, then I won't be guessing. The thing is though, that
>>> when I eat beef, take turmeric, or VIt C, I start getting heart
>>> arrhythmia, which is often caused by high iron levels. My
>>> working guess is that those three things all change
>>> iron levels ... otherwise I can't see a connection between
>>> those items!
>>>
>>> BTW dark grape juice (and dark wine) also inhibits iron
>>> absorption. Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of
>>> the French diet issue: they drink wine always with
>>> meals, which by my theory would lower their levels
>>> of T2 diabetes and heart disease.
>>>
>>
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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Resveratol is in grape juice, but I'm not sure it's what interferes
with iron absorption. The thing I read was basically talking about
iron-deficiency ... some foods, taken with a meal high in iron,
prevent absorption. Grape juice, prune juice, cayenne, and whole
grains fall into that category.

Other foods actively chelate iron: VIt C, turmeric. Grape juice
has Vit C, but it also has whatever it has that prevents absorption.
So it gets complicated.

The beef thing just floors me though. Beef is associated with
raising blood ferritin levels. Fish are not. But there IS iron in
fish (and most other animal foods), and it's the kind of iron that
should be absorbed. So what is it about beef? It doesn't appear
to be race-dependent ... Northern Europeans are definitely
different (I was reading Jared Diamond today, and if I interpret
him correctly, Europeans branched off from the rest of humanity
some one million years ago ????) ... but other people who eat
beef also get higher ferritin levels. Which for most nations is
a *good* thing.

Mind you I eat local too, and we get our one grass-fed cow
a year, and I'm picking up this year's beef in a couple of days.
So I'm really looking for a different answer. (we do have local
fish though: the humpys are running!).

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm. I am finding some reduction of my blood sugar with resveratrol.
> Isn't that the stuff from grape juice?
>
> I have Northern European genes on both sides.  I have for a long time
> had this sense that fish would probably be the best thing for me to
> eat most of the time  I try to eat it often , but ya know,    here we
> are with our little "modernhomestead", trying to eat local and, well,
> fish just isn't that local!  But, as I said we have lots of our own
> poultry these days and it needs to be eaten. So I will  see if it
> makes any difference
>
> The other way that  turmeric could work is that if it does reduce
> iron, which then reduces Diabetes. and also the high undiagnosed post
> prandial blood sugar, you  will then  have both  less vascular
> dementia and less AGEs which can be a cause of plaque formation in the
> brain of Alzheimers patients.
>
> Ellen
>
> On 8/31/09, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not planning on adding grains either, at least not the
>> wheat variety. My diet now is mainly meats and vegies
>> and fruit. But I have cut down on "beef" as an experiment.
>> I mean, we have chicken and goose and duck and lots of types
>> of fish, and pork and lamb. I feel the best when I eat the most
>> fish.
>>
>> Turmeric pulls iron out of the system: it's a "moderate chelator".
>> This is mainly interesting in terms of India: the thought has been
>> that the turmeric somehow prevents Alzheimer's, and now they
>> are thinking that maybe the way this happens is that turmeric
>> leeches iron out of the system.
>>
>> I don't really think this has been a problem for most of history.
>> For most of history humans had gut parasites, and people with
>> parasites are usually iron deficient. Also, there is a very good
>> iron-regulating system inside people. The gut cells absorb iron
>> and only release it to the blood as needed: the gut cells then
>> slough off (they only live 3 days or so) and take the iron with
>> them.
>>
>> However, a goodly chunk of the Northern European population
>> has genes that prevent this. I'm not sure about other populations.
>> But if you lack the "iron protection" service, then it's easy to
>> overdose. On the other hand, if you DO have the iron protection
>> genes, then it's unlikely you have too much iron. So it's not
>> really something that one can guess at. It's very genetic.
>>
>> Also what isn't known is what blood ferritin levels SHOULD be.
>> What is clear is that people in the higher ferritin level categories
>> are more prone to heart disease and T2 diabetes. But there
>> really needs to be more research on it.
>>
>> For myself though, I'm pretty sure that this is an issue in my
>> family. I'll be getting the tests I think, including the genetic
>> tests, then I won't be guessing. The thing is though, that
>> when I eat beef, take turmeric, or VIt C, I start getting heart
>> arrhythmia, which is often caused by high iron levels. My
>> working guess is that those three things all change
>> iron levels ... otherwise I can't see a connection between
>> those items!
>>
>> BTW dark grape juice (and dark wine) also inhibits iron
>> absorption. Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of
>> the French diet issue: they drink wine always with
>> meals, which by my theory would lower their levels
>> of T2 diabetes and heart disease.
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [fast5] Re: Binge Eating HELP!

It works really well. A good idea is to have some salad
pre-washed and ready for a nice vinegar dressing, so
when you are hungry you can just fill up a big bowl,
top it with some tuna, cheese, hard-boiled egg,
smoked salmon, bacon bits, whatever, and enjoy.
Lots and lots of chewing, read a good book
or watch a DVD. Add a bit of oil (I like olive oil)
because it helps you absorb the vitamins in the
salad.

Soup works a little different (and I think it's better
for cold days) but you can just make a good broth
or soup "base" ... keep it in the fridge or pack it in
your lunch in a thermos. Add chopped vegies, meat
whatever (I like chopped green onions and cilantro,
and egg noodles). Have a big huge bowlful.

Either one, you'll feel very satiated. This "small portion"
stuff is for the birds (actually my birds aren't into small
portions at all, but that's another story).

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:22 PM,
esther.park@ymail.com<esther.park@ymail.com> wrote:
> I see. Basically salad or soup...as much needed to break the fast..right?  That sounds pretty healthy than what I used to break the fast with.  Thank you for this input! I will definately try it.
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the Warrior Diet method works really well:
>> break your fast with a big salad. Lettuce, vinegar or vinegrette,
>> plus olives and anything else you can think of. Pig out on it!
>>
>> The fiber in the salad, and the vinegar, do magic on your
>> "I gotta eat" cravings. Lots of munching too. If you can't
>> do a salad, eating a raw carrot and a Tbls. of vinegar
>> in water can work also.
>>
>> Followed by a good soup. (you can use a soup instead
>> of salad, optionally).
>>
>> Then I would do cooked vegies (tho for me this is sometimes
>> mixed with my meat: AKA stir fry).
>>
>> THEN your meat/protein.
>>
>> Followed by starches, if you can still eat any. Potatoes,
>> rice.
>>
>> Last, some dessert if you still have room.
>>
>>
>> The main thing is to eat soup or salad first. Restaurants
>> discovered this long ago: if you eat those two first, you
>> don't care so much how big the main meal is. Both have
>> been shown to change your hunger levels a lot, though
>> for different reasons.
>>
>> There are also other ideas, such as konjac, which works
>> by filling up your stomach and making you full faster.
>> Salad and soup are probably the easiest though.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:42 PM,
>> esther.park@...<esther.park@...> wrote:
>> > Hello everyone, I'm Esther, and I've just joined this group^^
>> > I've been going on and off with Fast-5, but this week I managed to stay on it consistantly! The problem is... when my eating window opens, I simply just, binge eat! I overeat everything in my view and I feel like I have to throw it all up.  It feels nauseating =(
>> > I know my body may be trying to adjust and all, but overeating can't go on forever can it?  I'm scared that my 19 hour fasts wont do me justice and my overeating will take over my life! Please, I really need encouragements...and if anyone doesn't mind, please do tell if anyone else is going through a dilemma like this too =(
>> > Insipiration and motivation stories are strongly suggested! D=
>> >
>> > Thank you so much...
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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[fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Yes, I have also read about curcumin in turmeric for Alzheimer's. And hey, red wine for keeping iron down sounds like the ticket for me <g>. Short of leech therapy, I cannot give blood due to overseas living. I do not know about my genetics for this ... oh, I think my sister does have that problem. She always gives blood. At least at this point in time I have my cycles to rid me of iron.

Deanna

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Turmeric pulls iron out of the system: it's a "moderate chelator".
> This is mainly interesting in terms of India: the thought has been
> that the turmeric somehow prevents Alzheimer's, and now they
> are thinking that maybe the way this happens is that turmeric
> leeches iron out of the system.

...

>
> BTW dark grape juice (and dark wine) also inhibits iron
> absorption. Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of
> the French diet issue: they drink wine always with
> meals, which by my theory would lower their levels
> of T2 diabetes and heart disease.
>

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[fast5] Re: Binge Eating HELP!

I agree. When I deny myself treats in the house I want to eat them more, and then I just not even bother to resist them! =( I will try Heather's method next time I want to eat some cookies...

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <laurvick@...> wrote:
>
> Esther - I was like this, too.
>
> Heather's suggestion is a good one in that it will get you started off on
> the right eating foot.
>
> When I 'pigged out', it was because the treats were in the house and I
> allowed them to call to me more loudly and more persistently than 'good'
> food.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> esther.park@...
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:43 PM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Binge Eating HELP!
>
> Hello everyone, I'm Esther, and I've just joined this group^^
> I've been going on and off with Fast-5, but this week I managed to stay on
> it consistantly! The problem is... when my eating window opens, I simply
> just, binge eat! I overeat everything in my view and I feel like I have to
> throw it all up. It feels nauseating =(
> I know my body may be trying to adjust and all, but overeating can't go on
> forever can it? I'm scared that my 19 hour fasts wont do me justice and my
> overeating will take over my life! Please, I really need
> encouragements...and if anyone doesn't mind, please do tell if anyone else
> is going through a dilemma like this too =(
> Insipiration and motivation stories are strongly suggested! D=
>
> Thank you so much...
>
>
>
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[fast5] Re: Binge Eating HELP!

Ah thank you, that really sounds like a good plan. I happen to have a neighborhood gym nearby as well. Thank you.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, gianna4417 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Esther,
>
> I have been through the same and I think it's just to be expected. Do you get close to the end of the window and even if you are full to burst think, oh I must eat! or tomorrow I'll be starved! Even if you know that it's not true and you'll only feel sick for eating too much... It's happened to me quite a bit but now it seems to have stopped.
>
> This is what I'm doing anyway: on weekdays (the gym that I go to is near my office), I eat something light enough at 5pm to still be able to exercise, such as a salad and a banana. I go workout, even if it's a light workout for 1/2 hour by the time I change, I use the gym, I shower and dress, etc. at least an hour is gone. Then I have to make my way home so that's another 45 minutes. All of this is in the eating window and it's all time where I'm not eating. Then, once I get home, I have a proper meal and eat anything I want. I think that any activity that stops you from eating during the 5 hour window (once you had something to break fast of course) could work, such as going for a walk or to see a movie (without buying snacks).
>
> Another thing that I've done three days ago, when I was worried that I was eating too much, was to register on a site that offers free diet tools (nutrition tracker, fitness tracker and so on) that I saw mentioned on an archived post here, sparkpeople.com, and entered the foods that I'm eating to see the calories. You might see that even if you think that you binged, the actual calories that you ate are still a bit below the amount that you'd need to maintain weight, and if they aren't - they would be by removing just a little from what you are eating. In any case it can provide you with an objective indication of whether you are bingeing or not; on fast-5 it seems easier to feel full for some reason.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "esther.park@" <esther.park@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone, I'm Esther, and I've just joined this group^^
> > I've been going on and off with Fast-5, but this week I managed to stay on it consistantly! The problem is... when my eating window opens, I simply just, binge eat! I overeat everything in my view and I feel like I have to throw it all up. It feels nauseating =(
> > I know my body may be trying to adjust and all, but overeating can't go on forever can it? I'm scared that my 19 hour fasts wont do me justice and my overeating will take over my life! Please, I really need encouragements...and if anyone doesn't mind, please do tell if anyone else is going through a dilemma like this too =(
> > Insipiration and motivation stories are strongly suggested! D=
> >
> > Thank you so much...
> >
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[fast5] Re: Binge Eating HELP!

I see. Basically salad or soup...as much needed to break the fast..right? That sounds pretty healthy than what I used to break the fast with. Thank you for this input! I will definately try it.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> I think the Warrior Diet method works really well:
> break your fast with a big salad. Lettuce, vinegar or vinegrette,
> plus olives and anything else you can think of. Pig out on it!
>
> The fiber in the salad, and the vinegar, do magic on your
> "I gotta eat" cravings. Lots of munching too. If you can't
> do a salad, eating a raw carrot and a Tbls. of vinegar
> in water can work also.
>
> Followed by a good soup. (you can use a soup instead
> of salad, optionally).
>
> Then I would do cooked vegies (tho for me this is sometimes
> mixed with my meat: AKA stir fry).
>
> THEN your meat/protein.
>
> Followed by starches, if you can still eat any. Potatoes,
> rice.
>
> Last, some dessert if you still have room.
>
>
> The main thing is to eat soup or salad first. Restaurants
> discovered this long ago: if you eat those two first, you
> don't care so much how big the main meal is. Both have
> been shown to change your hunger levels a lot, though
> for different reasons.
>
> There are also other ideas, such as konjac, which works
> by filling up your stomach and making you full faster.
> Salad and soup are probably the easiest though.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:42 PM,
> esther.park@...<esther.park@...> wrote:
> > Hello everyone, I'm Esther, and I've just joined this group^^
> > I've been going on and off with Fast-5, but this week I managed to stay on it consistantly! The problem is... when my eating window opens, I simply just, binge eat! I overeat everything in my view and I feel like I have to throw it all up.  It feels nauseating =(
> > I know my body may be trying to adjust and all, but overeating can't go on forever can it?  I'm scared that my 19 hour fasts wont do me justice and my overeating will take over my life! Please, I really need encouragements...and if anyone doesn't mind, please do tell if anyone else is going through a dilemma like this too =(
> > Insipiration and motivation stories are strongly suggested! D=
> >
> > Thank you so much...
> >
> >
> >
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[fast5] Re: My report after eight months (good news)

Hello -

I haven't posted here before but I just want to thank you for this marvelous report. Your achievement is truly inspiring - Great compliments (even the crypto-compliment from your mum!). I've been on Fast 5 for a couple of weeks now (I lived like this some years ago back in student days and lost lots of weight and was so darn happy and healthy!). I look forward to posting the compliments a few months from now!

Thanks so much!

Sasha

P.S. How much more do you want to lose?

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "rob_up_north" <rob_up_north@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all FF'ers,
>
> It is the last day of August, 2009. I have been living in my new eating lifestyle now since January 1st of this year. My rough estimation puts that at approximately 242 days.
>
> Looking back, I am satisfied that I was pretty dedicated with only a few (what I consider) bad days of over eating.
>
> Today, I stepped upon the same scale that I have been using since I began monitoring my weight back in January. I sometimes wonder about its accuracy because the scale was obtained at either a second hand store or a yard sale somewhere. Even though it appears to be a good quality "medical office looking" type of scale, accuracy in weight is not important because it is the "change in weight" I am more interested in than the actual reading itself. So, accurate or not, the difference in weight should still be usable; thus, according to the dial, I have lost a total of 90 pounds since the start of this year (8 months). That is an average of 11.25 pounds per month.
>
> The other observation I would like to share with you nice readers of this forum is that I am starting to get "comments" from people who have not seen me in a while. I will admit that these comments are extremely encouraging for me (the fat and ugly kid hiding now for 45 years). I would like to share a few of these events with you now…
>
> Event 1: A neighbor I have not seen for a few months stopped over. He stepped out of his truck and looked at me from about 20 feet away. His eyes went wide and mouth dropped open. He said, "Buddy… you're fading… if I would have known you had it so rough I would have brought you some food!"
>
> Event 2: My mother is 85 years old. She has been a critic of my weight since she started feeding me when I was an infant. She saw me recently after a few months (we are not that close) and a few days later phoned me and said; "Wow, if you lose any more weight you'll almost be handsome". Needless to say, I don't spend too much money on Mother's day. I still took her comment as a compliment because I know how hard it was for her to give it.
>
> Event 3: My wife wanted Chinese food on Friday so we stopped into a restaurant that we do not frequent very often anymore (probably since I started FF'ing). The bimbo waitress that took the take-out order (with absolutely no class or manners) almost shouted for the whole restaurant to hear; "WOW – WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE? HOW MUCH WEIGHT DID YOU LOSE? ARE YOU OK?" I didn't know whether to crap my pants or run out of the restaurant. Every customer at every table was now staring at me. I just smiled, pushed thoughts of murder out of my mind, and mumbled something about not eating at Chinese restaurants so often. My wife placed an order to take out and we left to get some groceries (while the food was being prepared). Later, I dropped my wife off at the restaurant to pick up the order that was now ready. When my wife came back to the car, she said that the waitress (with the other waitresses hanging around listening) starting asking my wife questions about my weight loss. My wife did the best to explain to her what I was doing to accomplish my goal. Personally, I'm not sure I need another episode like that experience to let me know I have lost a few pounds but it definitely confirmed with me that I am making progress.
>
> So there you have it; my 8 month status report. There is a lot that I could add to this report of my observations and struggles along my journey. One observation that I will add is that I am finding it becoming very easy to eat as I do, dedicatedly. On Saturday, my wife's daughter (21) and a few of her friends camped out here on our acreage and partied around a campfire (drinking like sailors) until about 6 AM. I found them very entertaining (I don't drink these days to help me lose weight) but could only keep up with them until about 2 AM. All throughout the night, bags of potato chips and snacks, etc. were being passed around and I had very little problem saying no. I do not want to mess up now after journeying down this new road for 8 months.
>
> Keep Fasting everyone!
>
> Rob
>
> Ps. Yesterday, I ate a grilled sirloin steak followed by half a coconut cream pie with 3 scoops of ice cream. Life is good!
>

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[fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Ellen,

Unfortunately the data seems to offer more confusion than clarity. The arbitrary nature of a number-based diagnosis gave rise to the nicknamed term "euboxic" -- "eu" meaning normal and "boxic" meaning all of a person's lab values are in the boxes established by the reference ranges. However, someone can be very sick and be euboxic, or have a lots of values out of the reference ranges (which I guess should be called "dysboxic") and be in perfect health. (Sort of like the BMI "box" -- if one is very muscular, one can be out of the "healthy" BMI box and at the same time be healthier than most, and possibly even all of those in the healthy BMI box.

A number-based approach to medicine may be shortsighted, but it may also be a starting place for seeing a bigger picture. In the case of the reference range for glucose, it's a range based on covering 95% of the *healthy* people. What about the other 5%? They were as healthy as the other people used to establish the standards for the test, but their values were outside of the reference range. Are they diabetic? No. The numbers are intended to be clues for diagnosis while looking at the big picture, and are not for establishing a diagnosis in a vacuum.
Another problem is that the reference range is time and situation sensitive (a fasting glucose is after fasting how long? How much stress and adrenaline/cortisol release preceded the test?) and we've seen that there's a difference between a sporadic fast and an adaptation to fasting. At the very least one would consider what a person's HbA1c looked like before raising any concerns because a blood glucose level a bit above the norm. One would want to see what it and the insulin level looks like at different times in the day. If it's steady, I'd say the pancreas is working fine.
As you probably know, my tendency is to trust the body's homeostatic mechanisms more than the boxes. When the numbers get way out of the box, then one has to wonder what's going on -- by looking at the person, not the numbers. Add to all this the other confounding factor -- so much that seems like it should be known isn't -- and it can get pretty foggy as to what the right course is.

As for resveratrol, it has been known to have an antihyperglycemic effect, at least in rats (PMID: 18675532 and others).

Hope this helps,
Bert

Bert Herring
Fast-5 Corporation

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@...> wrote:
>
> Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time. I loved it. Felt
> more energy, more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
> at the rate of 2 pounds a week. And it fit easily into my life. I
> simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
> whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.
>
> It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
> greatly my already low CRP
>
>
> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half). I tried Dr.
> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again, got even more
> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
> carb. But if you think about the arbitrary way they assign that
> diagnosis it is rather silly. Either you have some inability to
> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't. IMO it is like being a little
> bit pregnant!
>
> Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues a number of
> times here. I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
> was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence. What was the
> relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.
>
> My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
> irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
> mood and energy swings. For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
> probably insulin resistant. I had the signs: a new pattern of
> overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it . I
> did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL I probably had
> high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
> circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
> time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
> higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my problem
> . And this is a good thing.
>
> Ellen
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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Hmmm. I am finding some reduction of my blood sugar with resveratrol.
Isn't that the stuff from grape juice?

I have Northern European genes on both sides. I have for a long time
had this sense that fish would probably be the best thing for me to
eat most of the time I try to eat it often , but ya know, here we
are with our little "modernhomestead", trying to eat local and, well,
fish just isn't that local! But, as I said we have lots of our own
poultry these days and it needs to be eaten. So I will see if it
makes any difference

The other way that turmeric could work is that if it does reduce
iron, which then reduces Diabetes. and also the high undiagnosed post
prandial blood sugar, you will then have both less vascular
dementia and less AGEs which can be a cause of plaque formation in the
brain of Alzheimers patients.

Ellen

On 8/31/09, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not planning on adding grains either, at least not the
> wheat variety. My diet now is mainly meats and vegies
> and fruit. But I have cut down on "beef" as an experiment.
> I mean, we have chicken and goose and duck and lots of types
> of fish, and pork and lamb. I feel the best when I eat the most
> fish.
>
> Turmeric pulls iron out of the system: it's a "moderate chelator".
> This is mainly interesting in terms of India: the thought has been
> that the turmeric somehow prevents Alzheimer's, and now they
> are thinking that maybe the way this happens is that turmeric
> leeches iron out of the system.
>
> I don't really think this has been a problem for most of history.
> For most of history humans had gut parasites, and people with
> parasites are usually iron deficient. Also, there is a very good
> iron-regulating system inside people. The gut cells absorb iron
> and only release it to the blood as needed: the gut cells then
> slough off (they only live 3 days or so) and take the iron with
> them.
>
> However, a goodly chunk of the Northern European population
> has genes that prevent this. I'm not sure about other populations.
> But if you lack the "iron protection" service, then it's easy to
> overdose. On the other hand, if you DO have the iron protection
> genes, then it's unlikely you have too much iron. So it's not
> really something that one can guess at. It's very genetic.
>
> Also what isn't known is what blood ferritin levels SHOULD be.
> What is clear is that people in the higher ferritin level categories
> are more prone to heart disease and T2 diabetes. But there
> really needs to be more research on it.
>
> For myself though, I'm pretty sure that this is an issue in my
> family. I'll be getting the tests I think, including the genetic
> tests, then I won't be guessing. The thing is though, that
> when I eat beef, take turmeric, or VIt C, I start getting heart
> arrhythmia, which is often caused by high iron levels. My
> working guess is that those three things all change
> iron levels ... otherwise I can't see a connection between
> those items!
>
> BTW dark grape juice (and dark wine) also inhibits iron
> absorption. Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of
> the French diet issue: they drink wine always with
> meals, which by my theory would lower their levels
> of T2 diabetes and heart disease.
>

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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

I'm not planning on adding grains either, at least not the
wheat variety. My diet now is mainly meats and vegies
and fruit. But I have cut down on "beef" as an experiment.
I mean, we have chicken and goose and duck and lots of types
of fish, and pork and lamb. I feel the best when I eat the most
fish.

Turmeric pulls iron out of the system: it's a "moderate chelator".
This is mainly interesting in terms of India: the thought has been
that the turmeric somehow prevents Alzheimer's, and now they
are thinking that maybe the way this happens is that turmeric
leeches iron out of the system.

I don't really think this has been a problem for most of history.
For most of history humans had gut parasites, and people with
parasites are usually iron deficient. Also, there is a very good
iron-regulating system inside people. The gut cells absorb iron
and only release it to the blood as needed: the gut cells then
slough off (they only live 3 days or so) and take the iron with
them.

However, a goodly chunk of the Northern European population
has genes that prevent this. I'm not sure about other populations.
But if you lack the "iron protection" service, then it's easy to
overdose. On the other hand, if you DO have the iron protection
genes, then it's unlikely you have too much iron. So it's not
really something that one can guess at. It's very genetic.

Also what isn't known is what blood ferritin levels SHOULD be.
What is clear is that people in the higher ferritin level categories
are more prone to heart disease and T2 diabetes. But there
really needs to be more research on it.

For myself though, I'm pretty sure that this is an issue in my
family. I'll be getting the tests I think, including the genetic
tests, then I won't be guessing. The thing is though, that
when I eat beef, take turmeric, or VIt C, I start getting heart
arrhythmia, which is often caused by high iron levels. My
working guess is that those three things all change
iron levels ... otherwise I can't see a connection between
those items!

BTW dark grape juice (and dark wine) also inhibits iron
absorption. Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of
the French diet issue: they drink wine always with
meals, which by my theory would lower their levels
of T2 diabetes and heart disease.

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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Heather,

When I said "your ideas" I just meant adding grains. Not exploring
all the facets of the ferritin connection in the other ways you wrote
about. Those i will look into further. Thanks. I wrote that in a
rush because our roasted chicken was ready to take out of the oven and
I was hungry.!

And the good news is that we have lots of our own chicken, ducks and
geese in the freezer or the back yard.

Just to confuse things even further, There is also the whole idea of
mineral balancing ... that many minerals in your system play a role
in balancing each other. And that it may not be as simple as iron in
or iron out.

UGH! So many variables.

Ellen

> t But lowering carb intake certainly helps me and many others.
> Which is not to say that there aren't some that would be helped by
> you ideas. I just haven't met anyone like that.
>
> Ellen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/31/09, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not Bert either, but I have been looking into this some.
>>
>> There is some relationship between a diet high in meat
>> and T2 diabetes. Heresy, I know!
>>
>> The relationship, though, seems to have to do with ferritin
>> levels. Pork, chicken, and fish don't raise ferritin levels.
>> Beef does, esp. in diets that aren't high in phytates or
>> turmeric. And it becomes a problem mainly after menopause,
>> for women.
>>
>> There is a huge link between high ferritin levels and T2.
>> Donating blood lowers insulin resistance. Of course the
>> blood bank won't accept blood if you actually are sick
>> (or for a number of other reasons). Which puts people
>> in a bind: ferritin levels don't have to be out of bounds
>> for this to be a problem.
>>
>> If you want to experiment with this, you can cut out
>> red meat and esp. organ meats from your diet, eat
>> more whole grains (GF oatmeal?), take turmeric caps.
>> And or get a ferritin/TIBC test.
>>
>> But my basic take is that "carbs" are not at the root
>> of the diabetes problem. The US is one of the few countries
>> where ferritin levels are HIGH (anemia is the problem in
>> most countries). Japanese eat a LOT of simple carbs ...
>> rice ... but most of their protein comes from fish.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time. I loved it. Felt
>>> more energy, more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
>>> at the rate of 2 pounds a week. And it fit easily into my life. I
>>> simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
>>> whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.
>>>
>>> It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
>>> greatly my already low CRP
>>>
>>>
>>> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
>>> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
>>> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half). I tried Dr.
>>> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again, got even more
>>> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
>>> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
>>> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
>>> carb. But if you think about the arbitrary way they assign that
>>> diagnosis it is rather silly. Either you have some inability to
>>> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't. IMO it is like being a little
>>> bit pregnant!
>>>
>>> Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues a number of
>>> times here. I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
>>> was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence. What was the
>>> relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.
>>>
>>> My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
>>> irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
>>> mood and energy swings. For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
>>> probably insulin resistant. I had the signs: a new pattern of
>>> overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it . I
>>> did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL I probably had
>>> high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
>>> circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
>>> time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
>>> higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my problem
>>> . And this is a good thing.
>>>
>>> Ellen
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Heather Twist
>> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>>
>

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[fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

I just got some lab tests done over the weekend and I have results back already! I used Directlabs.com like Vee mentioned. Fabulous service, no long wait, and quick turnaround. Need to mull them over. I did not have ferritin tested, so I may go off and find that out now.

I do eat a decent amount of grassfed beef, more so now than before since pastured chickens are harder to find. Forget about pork! Fish I have once a week or so. So, for the most part I pretty much rely on beef. Not much in organ meats, although I bought some grassfed bison liver this weekend. My diet is not high in phytates or turmeric. Hmm....

I have not been able to give blood in the past. I would get sick and feel run down for two weeks after I give blood. Wasn't worth the post-donation sickness. But it's been a few years. I wonder if that would change.

Is this a problem that other countries like Argentina or Australia have? I believe they both rely heavily on beef in their diets (but I could be wrong).

I heard from someone (probably Lita Lee) that raw cheese and raw dairy help pull iron out of your system. Not sure of the logic behind this.

Thanks for giving me stuff to ponder.
~Erica

> There is some relationship between a diet high in meat
> and T2 diabetes. Heresy, I know!
>
> The relationship, though, seems to have to do with ferritin
> levels. Pork, chicken, and fish don't raise ferritin levels.
> Beef does, esp. in diets that aren't high in phytates or
> turmeric. And it becomes a problem mainly after menopause,
> for women.
>
> There is a huge link between high ferritin levels and T2.
> Donating blood lowers insulin resistance. Of course the
> blood bank won't accept blood if you actually are sick
> (or for a number of other reasons). Which puts people
> in a bind: ferritin levels don't have to be out of bounds
> for this to be a problem.

> But my basic take is that "carbs" are not at the root
> of the diabetes problem. The US is one of the few countries
> where ferritin levels are HIGH (anemia is the problem in
> most countries). Japanese eat a LOT of simple carbs ...
> rice ... but most of their protein comes from fish.
>

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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

The Red Cross blood donation truck will be in town in a few days and it
has been on my calendar to be there and give blood.

What does turmeric do with regard to ferritin.? And yes, will get that
test.

No will not cut out meat and add grains. Have tried that
numerous times and variations. Definitely does not work for me all
kinds of bad things happen to me on that kind of diet..even small
amount of non gluten soaked and or sprouted grains over a few weeks or
months cause arthritis, tendonitis, hunger.....nope not going there
again.

there probably are many other factors, such as chemicals in our
water supply and lots of other things that throw off our hormonal
balance. But lowering carb intake certainly helps me and many others.
Which is not to say that there aren't some that would be helped by
you ideas. I just haven't met anyone like that.

Ellen

On 8/31/09, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not Bert either, but I have been looking into this some.
>
> There is some relationship between a diet high in meat
> and T2 diabetes. Heresy, I know!
>
> The relationship, though, seems to have to do with ferritin
> levels. Pork, chicken, and fish don't raise ferritin levels.
> Beef does, esp. in diets that aren't high in phytates or
> turmeric. And it becomes a problem mainly after menopause,
> for women.
>
> There is a huge link between high ferritin levels and T2.
> Donating blood lowers insulin resistance. Of course the
> blood bank won't accept blood if you actually are sick
> (or for a number of other reasons). Which puts people
> in a bind: ferritin levels don't have to be out of bounds
> for this to be a problem.
>
> If you want to experiment with this, you can cut out
> red meat and esp. organ meats from your diet, eat
> more whole grains (GF oatmeal?), take turmeric caps.
> And or get a ferritin/TIBC test.
>
> But my basic take is that "carbs" are not at the root
> of the diabetes problem. The US is one of the few countries
> where ferritin levels are HIGH (anemia is the problem in
> most countries). Japanese eat a LOT of simple carbs ...
> rice ... but most of their protein comes from fish.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time.  I loved it.  Felt
>> more energy,  more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
>> at the rate of 2 pounds a  week.  And it fit easily into my life.  I
>> simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
>> whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.
>>
>> It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
>> greatly my already low CRP
>>
>>
>> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
>> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
>> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half).  I tried Dr.
>> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again,  got even more
>> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
>> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
>> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
>> carb.  But if you  think about the arbitrary way they assign that
>> diagnosis it is rather silly.  Either you have some inability to
>> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't.  IMO it is like being a little
>> bit pregnant!
>>
>> Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues  a number of
>> times here.   I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
>> was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence.  What was the
>> relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.
>>
>>  My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
>> irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
>> mood and energy swings.  For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
>> probably insulin resistant.  I had the signs: a new pattern of
>> overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it .  I
>> did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL  I probably had
>> high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
>> circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
>> time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
>> higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my  problem
>> .  And this is a good thing.
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

I'm not Bert either, but I have been looking into this some.

There is some relationship between a diet high in meat
and T2 diabetes. Heresy, I know!

The relationship, though, seems to have to do with ferritin
levels. Pork, chicken, and fish don't raise ferritin levels.
Beef does, esp. in diets that aren't high in phytates or
turmeric. And it becomes a problem mainly after menopause,
for women.

There is a huge link between high ferritin levels and T2.
Donating blood lowers insulin resistance. Of course the
blood bank won't accept blood if you actually are sick
(or for a number of other reasons). Which puts people
in a bind: ferritin levels don't have to be out of bounds
for this to be a problem.

If you want to experiment with this, you can cut out
red meat and esp. organ meats from your diet, eat
more whole grains (GF oatmeal?), take turmeric caps.
And or get a ferritin/TIBC test.

But my basic take is that "carbs" are not at the root
of the diabetes problem. The US is one of the few countries
where ferritin levels are HIGH (anemia is the problem in
most countries). Japanese eat a LOT of simple carbs ...
rice ... but most of their protein comes from fish.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Ellen Ussery<ellen.ussery@gmail.com> wrote:
> Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time.  I loved it.  Felt
> more energy,  more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
> at the rate of 2 pounds a  week.  And it fit easily into my life.  I
> simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
> whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.
>
> It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
> greatly my already low CRP
>
>
> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half).  I tried Dr.
> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again,  got even more
> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
> carb.  But if you  think about the arbitrary way they assign that
> diagnosis it is rather silly.  Either you have some inability to
> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't.  IMO it is like being a little
> bit pregnant!
>
> Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues  a number of
> times here.   I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
> was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence.  What was the
> relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.
>
>  My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
> irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
> mood and energy swings.  For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
> probably insulin resistant.  I had the signs: a new pattern of
> overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it .  I
> did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL  I probably had
> high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
> circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
> time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
> higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my  problem
> .  And this is a good thing.
>
> Ellen
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Thank you for all that information Deanna. I will read it.

In Primal Body - Primal Mind Nora Gedgaudas does say to be careful
about eating too much meat for just that reason.

Ellen

On 8/31/09, WAPFBaby@salvonix.com <WAPFbaby@salvonix.com> wrote:
> Hi Ellen,
>
> I am not Bert, nor do I have much in the way of opinion about your
> theory. However, I do know of a man following an all meat diet, on a
> once a day feeding schedule, whose FBG has risen over the course of the
> 4 years on this plan to a very steady 99, and he now has an HbAIC of 6%.
>
> There has been an exchange about this on the panu blog in the Q & A
> section: http://www.paleonu.com/
>
> The exchange, mingled with other comments, has been reproduced, along
> with some other preliminary tidbits over at this blog:
> http://www.carnivorehealth.com/main/2009/8/22/a-high-fat-diet-like-really-high-fat.html
>
> You will need to scroll some to read the exchange, but all of the
> information is fascinating, if you ask me.
>
> In a nutshell, it seems that it is an excess of protein that is
> suspected to be the problem, perhaps with some long established insulin
> resistance. It may be that those of us eating a low carb diet may need
> to watch our protein content, especially as we age.
>
> BTW, I am coming back to this group from a hiatus. I find that Fast-5
> is a better system for me to maintain a healthy weight and feel great
> than anything else I have tried, and I am happy to be living this way
> again. I look forward to sharing more in the future.
>
> Deanna
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@...> wrote:
> ...
> >
> > But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
> > than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
> > above 100 since that time ( a year and a half). I tried Dr.
> > Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again, got even more
> > strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
> > But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
> > diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
> > carb. But if you think about the arbitrary way they assign that
> > diagnosis it is rather silly. Either you have some inability to
> > metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't. IMO it is like being a little
> > bit pregnant!
>

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[fast5] Re: My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Hi Ellen,

I am not Bert, nor do I have much in the way of opinion about your theory.  However, I do know of a man following an all meat diet, on a once a day feeding schedule, whose FBG has risen over the course of the 4 years on this plan to a very steady 99, and he now has an HbAIC of 6%.

There has been an exchange about this on the panu blog in the Q & A section:  http://www.paleonu.com/

The exchange, mingled with other comments, has been reproduced, along with some other preliminary tidbits over at this blog:
http://www.carnivorehealth.com/main/2009/8/22/a-high-fat-diet-like-really-high-fat.html

You will need to scroll some to read the exchange, but all of the information is fascinating, if you ask me.

In a nutshell, it seems that it is an excess of protein that is suspected to be the problem, perhaps with some long established insulin resistance.  It may be that those of us eating a low carb diet may need to watch our protein content, especially as we age.

BTW, I am coming back to this group from a hiatus.  I find that Fast-5 is a better system for me to maintain a healthy weight and feel great than anything else I have tried, and I am happy to be living this way again.  I look forward to sharing more in the future.

Deanna

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@...> wrote:
...
>
> But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
> than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
> above 100 since that time ( a year and a half).  I tried Dr.
> Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again,  got even more
> strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
> But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
> diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
> carb.  But if you  think about the arbitrary way they assign that
> diagnosis it is rather silly.  Either you have some inability to
> metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't.  IMO it is like being a little
> bit pregnant!

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[fast5] My report after eight months (good news)

Hi all FF'ers,

It is the last day of August, 2009. I have been living in my new eating lifestyle now since January 1st of this year. My rough estimation puts that at approximately 242 days.

Looking back, I am satisfied that I was pretty dedicated with only a few (what I consider) bad days of over eating.

Today, I stepped upon the same scale that I have been using since I began monitoring my weight back in January. I sometimes wonder about its accuracy because the scale was obtained at either a second hand store or a yard sale somewhere. Even though it appears to be a good quality "medical office looking" type of scale, accuracy in weight is not important because it is the "change in weight" I am more interested in than the actual reading itself. So, accurate or not, the difference in weight should still be usable; thus, according to the dial, I have lost a total of 90 pounds since the start of this year (8 months). That is an average of 11.25 pounds per month.

The other observation I would like to share with you nice readers of this forum is that I am starting to get "comments" from people who have not seen me in a while. I will admit that these comments are extremely encouraging for me (the fat and ugly kid hiding now for 45 years). I would like to share a few of these events with you now…

Event 1: A neighbor I have not seen for a few months stopped over. He stepped out of his truck and looked at me from about 20 feet away. His eyes went wide and mouth dropped open. He said, "Buddy… you're fading… if I would have known you had it so rough I would have brought you some food!"

Event 2: My mother is 85 years old. She has been a critic of my weight since she started feeding me when I was an infant. She saw me recently after a few months (we are not that close) and a few days later phoned me and said; "Wow, if you lose any more weight you'll almost be handsome". Needless to say, I don't spend too much money on Mother's day. I still took her comment as a compliment because I know how hard it was for her to give it.

Event 3: My wife wanted Chinese food on Friday so we stopped into a restaurant that we do not frequent very often anymore (probably since I started FF'ing). The bimbo waitress that took the take-out order (with absolutely no class or manners) almost shouted for the whole restaurant to hear; "WOW – WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE? HOW MUCH WEIGHT DID YOU LOSE? ARE YOU OK?" I didn't know whether to crap my pants or run out of the restaurant. Every customer at every table was now staring at me. I just smiled, pushed thoughts of murder out of my mind, and mumbled something about not eating at Chinese restaurants so often. My wife placed an order to take out and we left to get some groceries (while the food was being prepared). Later, I dropped my wife off at the restaurant to pick up the order that was now ready. When my wife came back to the car, she said that the waitress (with the other waitresses hanging around listening) starting asking my wife questions about my weight loss. My wife did the best to explain to her what I was doing to accomplish my goal. Personally, I'm not sure I need another episode like that experience to let me know I have lost a few pounds but it definitely confirmed with me that I am making progress.

So there you have it; my 8 month status report. There is a lot that I could add to this report of my observations and struggles along my journey. One observation that I will add is that I am finding it becoming very easy to eat as I do, dedicatedly. On Saturday, my wife's daughter (21) and a few of her friends camped out here on our acreage and partied around a campfire (drinking like sailors) until about 6 AM. I found them very entertaining (I don't drink these days to help me lose weight) but could only keep up with them until about 2 AM. All throughout the night, bags of potato chips and snacks, etc. were being passed around and I had very little problem saying no. I do not want to mess up now after journeying down this new road for 8 months.

Keep Fasting everyone!

Rob

Ps. Yesterday, I ate a grilled sirloin steak followed by half a coconut cream pie with 3 scoops of ice cream. Life is good!

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[fast5] My New Theory - Bert, does this make sense?

Two years ago I started Fast-5 for the first time. I loved it. Felt
more energy, more even moods, easily lost the weight I needed to lose
at the rate of 2 pounds a week. And it fit easily into my life. I
simply ate lunch and breakfast and was not terribly strict about
whether my window was 5 hours occasionally 7.

It also lowered my small dense LDL (tested directly) and reduced
greatly my already low CRP

But I also found at the end of 6 months, that I had the first higher
than 100 blood sugar at the doc's. My blood sugar levels have remained
above 100 since that time ( a year and a half). I tried Dr.
Schwarzbine's diet for six months, then Fast5 again, got even more
strict with my carbs as per Dr. Bernstein (The Diabetes Solution)
But haven't gotten them down below 100. They are not high enough to be
diagnosed as diabetic, but that is only because I am very strictly low
carb. But if you think about the arbitrary way they assign that
diagnosis it is rather silly. Either you have some inability to
metabolize carbohydrate, or you don't. IMO it is like being a little
bit pregnant!

Because of this I have talked about blood sugar issues a number of
times here. I have wondered about my first high fasting blood sugar
was caused by doing fast-5 or if it was a coincidence. What was the
relation between Fast-5 and my blood sugar issues.

My most recent theory is that I had some kind of insulin, blood sugar
irregularity all my life which manifested in my constant hunger, and
mood and energy swings. For at least ten years before Fast-5 I was
probably insulin resistant. I had the signs: a new pattern of
overweight much of it around the middle and I could not lose it . I
did not have high tryglycrides but I did have high LDL I probably had
high post meal blood sugars all that time too, but had so much
circulating insulin that my fasting blood sugar was below 100 all that
time. So finally getting the insulin levels down did not *cause* the
higher blood sugars...it just revealed the other aspect of my problem
. And this is a good thing.

Ellen

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RE: [fast5] Binge Eating HELP!

Esther - I was like this, too.

Heather's suggestion is a good one in that it will get you started off on
the right eating foot.

When I 'pigged out', it was because the treats were in the house and I
allowed them to call to me more loudly and more persistently than 'good'
food.

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esther.park@ymail.com
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Subject: [fast5] Binge Eating HELP!

Hello everyone, I'm Esther, and I've just joined this group^^
I've been going on and off with Fast-5, but this week I managed to stay on
it consistantly! The problem is... when my eating window opens, I simply
just, binge eat! I overeat everything in my view and I feel like I have to
throw it all up. It feels nauseating =(
I know my body may be trying to adjust and all, but overeating can't go on
forever can it? I'm scared that my 19 hour fasts wont do me justice and my
overeating will take over my life! Please, I really need
encouragements...and if anyone doesn't mind, please do tell if anyone else
is going through a dilemma like this too =(
Insipiration and motivation stories are strongly suggested! D=

Thank you so much...

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