Sunday, June 30, 2013

Re: [fast5] I'm back (again)



Brenda,
I usually open my window with juice. Greens and fruit mixed. I'm still fighting to stay in my window. Nice to have you back!
Linda

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall.

On Jun 30, 2013, at 3:15 AM, Brenda Gray <brendagray@clear.net.nz> wrote:

 

Linda

I believe you (like me) are trying to incorporate daily juicing into your plan, and I am interested in how you go about it. Do you just drink your juice only once your window opens? Or do you have juice in the morning, and then have a separate 5 hour window for eating (solid food) later in the day?

I too need to do *something* as my jeans are too tight now! I was so delighted to fit into them a few months ago, but I have been a bit unfocussed lately :-(

Brenda

On 30/06/2013 5:47 a.m., Linda McErlean wrote:
 
Travis,
Your email was what I needed to reflect on. I too have been going off and on since May. I too found that when I eat earlier than 4:00 I usually go past my window. Also my sugar cravings are bad. Need to cut back on that. Today I wanted a morning waffle but tried on some clothes that were tight that I used to get into and that was enough to stop me! Coming here for encouragement really works. I have been MIA for a while and need to get back to it. Vacation is coming up and it would be nice to lose a few pounds before I go. Thanks for your email!
Linda



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Linda

I believe you (like me) are trying to incorporate daily juicing into your plan, and I am interested in how you go about it. Do you just drink your juice only once your window opens? Or do you have juice in the morning, and then have a separate 5 hour window for eating (solid food) later in the day?

I too need to do *something* as my jeans are too tight now! I was so delighted to fit into them a few months ago, but I have been a bit unfocussed lately :-(

Brenda

On 30/06/2013 5:47 a.m., Linda McErlean wrote:
 
Travis,
Your email was what I needed to reflect on. I too have been going off and on since May. I too found that when I eat earlier than 4:00 I usually go past my window. Also my sugar cravings are bad. Need to cut back on that. Today I wanted a morning waffle but tried on some clothes that were tight that I used to get into and that was enough to stop me! Coming here for encouragement really works. I have been MIA for a while and need to get back to it. Vacation is coming up and it would be nice to lose a few pounds before I go. Thanks for your email!
Linda



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Saturday, June 29, 2013

Re: [fast5] I'm back (again)



Travis,
Your email was what I needed to reflect on. I too have been going off and on since May. I too found that when I eat earlier than 4:00 I usually go past my window. Also my sugar cravings are bad. Need to cut back on that. Today I wanted a morning waffle but tried on some clothes that were tight that I used to get into and that was enough to stop me! Coming here for encouragement really works. I have been MIA for a while and need to get back to it. Vacation is coming up and it would be nice to lose a few pounds before I go. Thanks for your email!
Linda

Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall.

On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:44 PM, "tfoley926" <travis.foley@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I will keep this fairly short, but I'm new to the group (sorta).  I first joined back about 4 or 5 years ago.  This is not my first time with F5, I've been on and off of it during this time.  I have keep very good notes on my progress through all of that and I sat down last night and reviewed it all to figure out why this just never worked for me long term? 

I keep coming back to it because:

  1. I know it works because I lose weight EVERY time
  2. It really helps me discipline myself when it comes to eating and keeps me from allowing food to control my life
  3. I experience other health benefits from this as well such as lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and lower triglycerides. 
  4. It's very convenient when I don't have to mess with making breakfast and packing a full lunch for work.
  5. I save money on groceries and snacks during the day
  6. I FEEL better and I'm more confident when I feel light and my clothes fit me better
  7. I never battle fatigue in the afternoons or on the drive home, I'm always alert

I know I could think of more, but 7 is enough.  :)

So you may be asking yourself, why have I not stuck with this then?  Why all of the starting and stopping?

What I experience consistently as I read back through all everything I have written can be summed up in one of my entries from back in 2009.

Here's what I wrote:

"I'm stopping Fast5 because I'm tired of feeling tired, weak, spacey and irritable.  Even after I eat I find myself being more irritable than I normally am.  The weightloss was great, but it's not worth the side-effects.  Also, it's affecting my performance at work. My short term memory really seems to suffer even though it is supposed to be sharper some how?  It's not and I cannot seem to subside the spacey feeling using everyone's advice either.  I thought I could do this, but cannot sustain this for the long haul."

I would go on over the next 3 or 4 years starting back up and ultimately having to quit for pretty much the same reasons. 

At one point I started doing the Warrior Diet and that was horrible and made everything worse.  I started doing Weight Watchers and that worked for a while, but I felt that was harder to maintain because of all of the tracking and counting and everything. 

F5 fits my lifestyle better than anything else I've tried, I just have to get through this issue of the dizziness. 

I have been doing a lot of reading again and I'm back (again) to give this a shot and go at it from one angle that I haven't tried yet.  I am on week 3 this time around and I am doing very well actually.  What I am changing this time around is my window.  In the past I have consistently kept a window of 2:00 - 7:00.  Looking back over everything I saw a pattern of extending my window because of one thing or another.  I'm doing a window of 5:00 - 10:00 PM like the book suggests this time and today is actually going to be the first day that I hit it.  So far this time around, my window has been in the 2:30/3:00 PM time frame when I opened it.  Today will be 5:00 PM. 

This new window will: 

  • completely eliminate the need to bring any food to work
  • eliminate the issue of eating too early and messing up my window if the family ends up eating later after dinner... I don't have to miss out
  • help me keep from over eating... in other words, I won't be eating lunch AND dinner. I end up eating lunch and dinner both, and then some... this will just be one meal (dinner) and a snack or something later.

I'm keeping a close eye on any advice that I see posted.  What helps me is to read about what others are experiencing.  When I know others have experienced the same things, but stuck it out and the symptoms subside, that gives me hope to keep at it.

One of my downfalls before has been fudging a little when the weight came off.  Once I started doing that, it became more routine and before I knew it I had drifted very far from the routine and it was hard to get going again.

 

Anyway, that was a very long post, I apologize.

I look forward to reading about everyone's progress and challenges and I'm very encouraged that long term success for me is just ahead!

 

travis

 

 



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Friday, June 28, 2013

Re: [fast5] Re: I'm back (again)



Taking the easy targets first:

1. Yes, bread. And shredded wheat. Somewhere between 1% and 30% of people
have a bad reaction to wheat (depends who you ask) but it's not very digestible
to any human being. 

2. Oil. A lot of people just can't handle fats well. My husband is one of them.
Some of the frying oils have been chemically altered too, so they are even
harder to deal with. The commercial frying oils are scary.

3. Not much protein. If you take apart a fish stick, there is hardly any fish!
Protein satiates, and regulates the blood sugar some.

4. Not much vegie. Salads SOUND like a lot of vegies, but the amount
in a side salad, if cooked, would be maybe 1/2 cup.

5. Fast food. In some countries, like, say, Thailand, you can get a nice
fried shrimp on a stick that is actually good food. What is sold in
fast food places here though, is really problematic though. I buy food a lot at wholesale
places, and the pre-prepared stuff (what they use) is just scary. My
family can taste the difference and won't eat it.


Now, my husband had IBS for years and years, and we finally fixed it together.
His approach was to go back to basics for 2 weeks, then add foods one by
one. Took a little discipline, but it worked. It was something like:

1. Starch: Steamed non-enriched rice. Homai is good, and at most grocery
stores. If you don't have a rice cooker, they are pretty cheap and a good
investment. Avoid "baked goods" of any kind during this phase. Baking
anything with ground starch in an oven creates a product that feeds
yeast easily and may contain stuff like acrylamides, but "steamed white
rice" has been the "good for sick people" basic for ages. It works. Keep
in mind that maybe half the world ONLY eats white rice as their basic
food, and they survive just fine if they also get some greens and a bit
of protein.

2. Protein. Rotate between, say, fish, shrimp, beef, lamb, chicken, pork, eggs.
Just keep in mind how they affect you. Use really simple cooking methods ...
baking, broiling, convection ovens. Protein STOPS HUNGER, in
general. Low protein meals will make you hungrier the next day.

Egg white and fish have been the "body builder" proteins since forever.
They tamp down appetite and build muscle, keep the metabolism up. 
Whey protein works really well too, if you can handle dairy. Dairy is
iffy for a lot of people. It gives me migraines, so I don't use it.

You can vary the ratios between rice and protein. Some people do way 
better on one or the other.

(*** Note: I think egg YOLK is great stuff too, for other reasons. So
unlike body builders, I don't toss the yolk!)


3. Vegies. LOTS! I mean a big pile of baked carrots, or a big stir-fry. Or
a stew. You can vary which vegies. Try organic vs. not too ... some 
people react to pesticides.

4. Oils. Oils can be problematic, for a lot of reasons. Coconut oil is
pretty safe ... it doesn't take a lot of bile acid to break down. Olive oil
is pretty good too, in small amounts. Some people can eat a LOT of fat
and be just fine, but at this point, you don't know which camp you
are in. Fast food oils can be really bad ... they are extracted using
chemicals, have chemicals added, are re-used for months, and usually
are fairly rancid. Saturated fats ... like rib eye fat ... can taste really good,
but requires a robust digestive system to handle it.

If you REALLY don't digest oils well, try using MCT for a month or two.
MCT is used for babies, and it's in mother's milk, and it doesn't require
bile. 1T per meal is enough, to say, fry a couple of eggs. I use 1 T for 2
eggs, and another for a batch of hashbrowns, in one favorite meal. MCT 
is expensive though, and start out with just a little of it. MCT is 20% or
something of coconut oil though.

5. Acids. For some strange chemical reasons, both acetic acid (vinegar)
and citric acid (lemon juice) work magic. A little vinegar in water, or
lemon juice, can quell appetite. I think because they compete with uric
acid. Anyway, uric acid affects cortisol affects appetite and a feeling of
"well being", glossing over the details. Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) fits in
there too. The chemists in the audience can give more details.


Now, that's fairly restrictive. But if, after a week, you feel better, then you
learned something, and you have a baseline. Start adding foods back ... fruits
for one. Nuts. My husband, turns out, just has an issue with peanuts and walnuts ...
but the others are ok. He doesn't do Fast-5, but mainly he's only ever eaten one
main meal a day, so ... it does work for him, he's a good weight and looks
about 15 years younger than he is.

After about 12 years, our meals are pretty varied, though I have to say they
look either Asian or Mexican. It turns out wheat and dairy are pretty big problems
for me and him, but dairy is fine for my kids. A bigger problem is that everyone
turned into "Food Snobs" and now no one will eat, say, commercial eggs or
hamburger. I did have to learn how to cook, and when we eat out, it is 
expensive and my kids mostly say "but Mom, your food is better!".  
(Sweet to a Mom's ears!). They are healthy happy kids though, have avoided
acne and neuroses and ADD, so I think it works.

Sorry if this is TMI. My geek flag flies high! I love experimenting, so this
is mostly fun for me. 


My WAG is that your dizziness is mainly due to high cortisol, which
happens a lot when people get "hungry". Cortisol makes you feel lousy.
That is it's job: to get you to feel bad enough to go out and get some
food. Does weird things to blood pressure too. Vinegar/water often cuts
that off quickly ... again, I'm not sure of all the chemistry, but it's been
used since Roman times. (When you are on a long march and can't
stop to eat, swig some vinegar water! Adding honey makes it taste better,
but not required).





On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Heather!  What great information!!!!

Here's my day:

Tonight I broke the fast at 5pm with an apple and some peanut butter, a cheese stick, and a few slices of roast beef deli sliced. Seemed to be okay. 

I then met my family for dinner at 5:30. 

I ate the following for dinner at 6 p.m.:

Crispy fish sandwich 
French fries
Side Caesar salad
3 Bread rolls
Diet Coke

Within an hour of eating dinner I really felt bad. I was very spaced out and very irritable. I figured it was most likely due to the bread and the french fries?

The feeling lasted a good hour or hour and a half.

It's almost 10 PM now and my window is almost closed.

I have definitely eat much less than I normally would have. Im not starving right now but I have cravings.  I finished off the night with a bowl of Shredded Wheat cereal.

We'll see how tomorrow goes, I am hopeful!


Thoughts, comments,suggestions, advice, etc?




--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome back!
>
> You might want to look at what foods you ARE eating.
> After much experimenting on ME, I have discovered that
> how I feel has a lot to do with the food choices I make.
>
> Fast-5 makes it easy to experiment, because you have less
> food to balance.
>
> Here are the results I've found, about food choices.
>
> First, a lot of what happens with appetite has to do with uric
> acid. Uric acid is a kind of trigger for hibernation in animals,
> and it makes the animal eat more and to change food into fat,
> rather than raising the metabolism.
>
> Some foods and behaviors raise uric acid levels, while others
> lower it. This has been studies a lot, in terms of gout! So it's
> pretty easy to find information. The things that raise uric
> acid levels are:
>
> -- Not eating on a schedule
> -- Not getting enough water
> -- Certain meats (high-purine meats)
> -- Fructose (any sugar, not just HFCS, but also honey etc)
> -- Beer
> -- Food intolerances (wheat and dairy being the usual suspects)
> -- Saturated fat (might block clearing uric acid)
> -- Foods high in iron (enriched foods)
>
> Things that lower uric acid levels:
> -- Vinegar or lemon juice
> -- Eggs
> -- Low-purine fish
> -- Vitamin C
>
>
> Anyway, for me that translates basically into eating more fish and eggs,
> less beef, adding lemon slices to my tea, and avoiding beer. It's
> working so far (30+ lbs down).
>
> Fructose is an interesting issue, since some 30% of Northern Europeans
> don't handle it well. You mention being worse on the Warrior Diet ... if
> you were snacking on fruit, that might be part of it. Plain starches, like
> steamed rice, are usually safer choices in that case. But you can
> experiment ... keep a log, and eating drastically different meal choices,
> see how you feel the next day.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I will keep this fairly short, but I'm new to the group (sorta).  I first
> > joined back about 4 or 5 years ago.  This is not my first time with F5,
> > I've been on and off of it during this time.  I have keep very good notes
> > on my progress through all of that and I sat down last night and reviewed
> > it all to figure out why this just never worked for me long term?
> >
> > I keep coming back to it because:
> >
> >    1. I know it works because I lose weight EVERY time
> >    2. It really helps me discipline myself when it comes to eating and
> >    keeps me from allowing food to control my life
> >    3. I experience other health benefits from this as well such as lower
> >    cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and lower triglycerides.
> >    4. It's very convenient when I don't have to mess with making
> >    breakfast and packing a full lunch for work.
> >    5. I save money on groceries and snacks during the day
> >    6. I FEEL better and I'm more confident when I feel light and my
> >    clothes fit me better
> >    7. I never battle fatigue in the afternoons or on the drive home, I'm
> >    always alert
> >
> > I know I could think of more, but 7 is enough.  :)
> >
> > So you may be asking yourself, why have I not stuck with this then?  Why
> > all of the starting and stopping?
> >
> > What I experience consistently as I read back through all everything I
> > have written can be summed up in one of my entries from back in 2009.
> >
> > Here's what I wrote:
> >
> > *"I'm stopping Fast5 because I'm tired of feeling tired, weak, spacey and
> > irritable.  Even after I eat I find myself being more irritable than I
> > normally am.  The weightloss was great, but it's not worth the
> > side-effects.  Also, it's affecting my performance at work. My short term
> > memory really seems to suffer even though it is supposed to be sharper some
> > how?  It's not and I cannot seem to subside the spacey feeling using
> > everyone's advice either.  I thought I could do this, but cannot sustain
> > this for the long haul."*
> >
> > I would go on over the next 3 or 4 years starting back up and ultimately
> > having to quit for pretty much the same reasons.
> >
> > At one point I started doing the Warrior Diet and that was horrible and
> > made everything worse.  I started doing Weight Watchers and that worked for
> > a while, but I felt that was harder to maintain because of all of the
> > tracking and counting and everything.
> >
> > F5 fits my lifestyle better than anything else I've tried, I just have to
> > get through this issue of the dizziness.
> >
> > I have been doing a lot of reading again and I'm back (again) to give this
> > a shot and go at it from one angle that I haven't tried yet.  I am on week
> > 3 this time around and I am doing very well actually.  What I am changing
> > this time around is my window.  In the past I have consistently kept a
> > window of 2:00 - 7:00.  Looking back over everything I saw a pattern of
> > extending my window because of one thing or another.  I'm doing a window of
> > 5:00 - 10:00 PM like the book suggests this time and today is actually
> > going to be the first day that I hit it.  So far this time around, my
> > window has been in the 2:30/3:00 PM time frame when I opened it.  Today
> > will be 5:00 PM.
> >
> > This new window will:
> >
> >    - completely eliminate the need to bring any food to work
> >    - eliminate the issue of eating too early and messing up my window if
> >    the family ends up eating later after dinner... I don't have to miss out
> >    - help me keep from over eating... in other words, I won't be
> >    eating lunch AND dinner. I end up eating lunch and dinner both, and then
> >    some... this will just be one meal (dinner) and a snack or something later.
> >
> > I'm keeping a close eye on any advice that I see posted.  What helps me is
> > to read about what others are experiencing.  When I know others have
> > experienced the same things, but stuck it out and the symptoms subside,
> > that gives me hope to keep at it.
> >
> > One of my downfalls before has been fudging a little when the weight came
> > off.  Once I started doing that, it became more routine and before I knew
> > it I had drifted very far from the routine and it was hard to get going
> > again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, that was a very long post, I apologize.
> >
> > I look forward to reading about everyone's progress and challenges and I'm
> > very encouraged that long term success for me is just ahead!
> >
> >
> >
> > travis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Heather Twist -- Seattle 7B
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>



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Thank you Heather! What great information!!!!

Here's my day:

Tonight I broke the fast at 5pm with an apple and some peanut butter, a cheese stick, and a few slices of roast beef deli sliced. Seemed to be okay. 

I then met my family for dinner at 5:30. 

I ate the following for dinner at 6 p.m.:

Crispy fish sandwich 
French fries
Side Caesar salad
3 Bread rolls
Diet Coke

Within an hour of eating dinner I really felt bad. I was very spaced out and very irritable. I figured it was most likely due to the bread and the french fries?

The feeling lasted a good hour or hour and a half.

It's almost 10 PM now and my window is almost closed.

I have definitely eat much less than I normally would have. Im not starving right now but I have cravings. I finished off the night with a bowl of Shredded Wheat cereal.

We'll see how tomorrow goes, I am hopeful!


Thoughts, comments,suggestions, advice, etc?




--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome back!
>
> You might want to look at what foods you ARE eating.
> After much experimenting on ME, I have discovered that
> how I feel has a lot to do with the food choices I make.
>
> Fast-5 makes it easy to experiment, because you have less
> food to balance.
>
> Here are the results I've found, about food choices.
>
> First, a lot of what happens with appetite has to do with uric
> acid. Uric acid is a kind of trigger for hibernation in animals,
> and it makes the animal eat more and to change food into fat,
> rather than raising the metabolism.
>
> Some foods and behaviors raise uric acid levels, while others
> lower it. This has been studies a lot, in terms of gout! So it's
> pretty easy to find information. The things that raise uric
> acid levels are:
>
> -- Not eating on a schedule
> -- Not getting enough water
> -- Certain meats (high-purine meats)
> -- Fructose (any sugar, not just HFCS, but also honey etc)
> -- Beer
> -- Food intolerances (wheat and dairy being the usual suspects)
> -- Saturated fat (might block clearing uric acid)
> -- Foods high in iron (enriched foods)
>
> Things that lower uric acid levels:
> -- Vinegar or lemon juice
> -- Eggs
> -- Low-purine fish
> -- Vitamin C
>
>
> Anyway, for me that translates basically into eating more fish and eggs,
> less beef, adding lemon slices to my tea, and avoiding beer. It's
> working so far (30+ lbs down).
>
> Fructose is an interesting issue, since some 30% of Northern Europeans
> don't handle it well. You mention being worse on the Warrior Diet ... if
> you were snacking on fruit, that might be part of it. Plain starches, like
> steamed rice, are usually safer choices in that case. But you can
> experiment ... keep a log, and eating drastically different meal choices,
> see how you feel the next day.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I will keep this fairly short, but I'm new to the group (sorta). I first
> > joined back about 4 or 5 years ago. This is not my first time with F5,
> > I've been on and off of it during this time. I have keep very good notes
> > on my progress through all of that and I sat down last night and reviewed
> > it all to figure out why this just never worked for me long term?
> >
> > I keep coming back to it because:
> >
> > 1. I know it works because I lose weight EVERY time
> > 2. It really helps me discipline myself when it comes to eating and
> > keeps me from allowing food to control my life
> > 3. I experience other health benefits from this as well such as lower
> > cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and lower triglycerides.
> > 4. It's very convenient when I don't have to mess with making
> > breakfast and packing a full lunch for work.
> > 5. I save money on groceries and snacks during the day
> > 6. I FEEL better and I'm more confident when I feel light and my
> > clothes fit me better
> > 7. I never battle fatigue in the afternoons or on the drive home, I'm
> > always alert
> >
> > I know I could think of more, but 7 is enough. :)
> >
> > So you may be asking yourself, why have I not stuck with this then? Why
> > all of the starting and stopping?
> >
> > What I experience consistently as I read back through all everything I
> > have written can be summed up in one of my entries from back in 2009.
> >
> > Here's what I wrote:
> >
> > *"I'm stopping Fast5 because I'm tired of feeling tired, weak, spacey and
> > irritable. Even after I eat I find myself being more irritable than I
> > normally am. The weightloss was great, but it's not worth the
> > side-effects. Also, it's affecting my performance at work. My short term
> > memory really seems to suffer even though it is supposed to be sharper some
> > how? It's not and I cannot seem to subside the spacey feeling using
> > everyone's advice either. I thought I could do this, but cannot sustain
> > this for the long haul."*
> >
> > I would go on over the next 3 or 4 years starting back up and ultimately
> > having to quit for pretty much the same reasons.
> >
> > At one point I started doing the Warrior Diet and that was horrible and
> > made everything worse. I started doing Weight Watchers and that worked for
> > a while, but I felt that was harder to maintain because of all of the
> > tracking and counting and everything.
> >
> > F5 fits my lifestyle better than anything else I've tried, I just have to
> > get through this issue of the dizziness.
> >
> > I have been doing a lot of reading again and I'm back (again) to give this
> > a shot and go at it from one angle that I haven't tried yet. I am on week
> > 3 this time around and I am doing very well actually. What I am changing
> > this time around is my window. In the past I have consistently kept a
> > window of 2:00 - 7:00. Looking back over everything I saw a pattern of
> > extending my window because of one thing or another. I'm doing a window of
> > 5:00 - 10:00 PM like the book suggests this time and today is actually
> > going to be the first day that I hit it. So far this time around, my
> > window has been in the 2:30/3:00 PM time frame when I opened it. Today
> > will be 5:00 PM.
> >
> > This new window will:
> >
> > - completely eliminate the need to bring any food to work
> > - eliminate the issue of eating too early and messing up my window if
> > the family ends up eating later after dinner... I don't have to miss out
> > - help me keep from over eating... in other words, I won't be
> > eating lunch AND dinner. I end up eating lunch and dinner both, and then
> > some... this will just be one meal (dinner) and a snack or something later.
> >
> > I'm keeping a close eye on any advice that I see posted. What helps me is
> > to read about what others are experiencing. When I know others have
> > experienced the same things, but stuck it out and the symptoms subside,
> > that gives me hope to keep at it.
> >
> > One of my downfalls before has been fudging a little when the weight came
> > off. Once I started doing that, it became more routine and before I knew
> > it I had drifted very far from the routine and it was hard to get going
> > again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, that was a very long post, I apologize.
> >
> > I look forward to reading about everyone's progress and challenges and I'm
> > very encouraged that long term success for me is just ahead!
> >
> >
> >
> > travis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Welcome back!

You might want to look at what foods you ARE eating. 
After much experimenting on ME, I have discovered that
how I feel has a lot to do with the food choices I make. 

Fast-5 makes it easy to experiment, because you have less 
food to balance.

Here are the results I've found, about food choices.

First, a lot of what happens with appetite has to do with uric
acid. Uric acid is a kind of trigger for hibernation in animals,
and it makes the animal eat more and to change food into fat,
rather than raising the metabolism. 

Some foods and behaviors raise uric acid levels, while others
lower it. This has been studies a lot, in terms of gout! So it's
pretty easy to find information. The things that raise uric
acid levels are:

-- Not eating on a schedule
-- Not getting enough water
-- Certain meats (high-purine meats)
-- Fructose (any sugar, not just HFCS, but also honey etc)
-- Beer
-- Food intolerances (wheat and dairy being the usual suspects)
-- Saturated fat (might block clearing uric acid)
-- Foods high in iron (enriched foods)

Things that lower uric acid levels:
-- Vinegar or lemon juice
-- Eggs
-- Low-purine fish 
-- Vitamin C


Anyway, for me that translates basically into eating more fish and eggs,
less beef, adding lemon slices to my tea, and avoiding beer. It's 
working so far (30+ lbs down).

Fructose is an interesting issue, since some 30% of Northern Europeans
don't handle it well. You mention being worse on the Warrior Diet ... if
you were snacking on fruit, that might be part of it. Plain starches, like
steamed rice, are usually safer choices in that case. But you can 
experiment ... keep a log, and eating drastically different meal choices,
see how you feel the next day.





On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:44 PM, tfoley926 <travis.foley@gmail.com> wrote:


I will keep this fairly short, but I'm new to the group (sorta).  I first joined back about 4 or 5 years ago.  This is not my first time with F5, I've been on and off of it during this time.  I have keep very good notes on my progress through all of that and I sat down last night and reviewed it all to figure out why this just never worked for me long term? 

I keep coming back to it because:

  1. I know it works because I lose weight EVERY time
  2. It really helps me discipline myself when it comes to eating and keeps me from allowing food to control my life
  3. I experience other health benefits from this as well such as lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and lower triglycerides. 
  4. It's very convenient when I don't have to mess with making breakfast and packing a full lunch for work.
  5. I save money on groceries and snacks during the day
  6. I FEEL better and I'm more confident when I feel light and my clothes fit me better
  7. I never battle fatigue in the afternoons or on the drive home, I'm always alert

I know I could think of more, but 7 is enough.  :)

So you may be asking yourself, why have I not stuck with this then?  Why all of the starting and stopping?

What I experience consistently as I read back through all everything I have written can be summed up in one of my entries from back in 2009.

Here's what I wrote:

"I'm stopping Fast5 because I'm tired of feeling tired, weak, spacey and irritable.  Even after I eat I find myself being more irritable than I normally am.  The weightloss was great, but it's not worth the side-effects.  Also, it's affecting my performance at work. My short term memory really seems to suffer even though it is supposed to be sharper some how?  It's not and I cannot seem to subside the spacey feeling using everyone's advice either.  I thought I could do this, but cannot sustain this for the long haul."

I would go on over the next 3 or 4 years starting back up and ultimately having to quit for pretty much the same reasons. 

At one point I started doing the Warrior Diet and that was horrible and made everything worse.  I started doing Weight Watchers and that worked for a while, but I felt that was harder to maintain because of all of the tracking and counting and everything. 

F5 fits my lifestyle better than anything else I've tried, I just have to get through this issue of the dizziness. 

I have been doing a lot of reading again and I'm back (again) to give this a shot and go at it from one angle that I haven't tried yet.  I am on week 3 this time around and I am doing very well actually.  What I am changing this time around is my window.  In the past I have consistently kept a window of 2:00 - 7:00.  Looking back over everything I saw a pattern of extending my window because of one thing or another.  I'm doing a window of 5:00 - 10:00 PM like the book suggests this time and today is actually going to be the first day that I hit it.  So far this time around, my window has been in the 2:30/3:00 PM time frame when I opened it.  Today will be 5:00 PM. 

This new window will: 

  • completely eliminate the need to bring any food to work
  • eliminate the issue of eating too early and messing up my window if the family ends up eating later after dinner... I don't have to miss out
  • help me keep from over eating... in other words, I won't be eating lunch AND dinner. I end up eating lunch and dinner both, and then some... this will just be one meal (dinner) and a snack or something later.

I'm keeping a close eye on any advice that I see posted.  What helps me is to read about what others are experiencing.  When I know others have experienced the same things, but stuck it out and the symptoms subside, that gives me hope to keep at it.

One of my downfalls before has been fudging a little when the weight came off.  Once I started doing that, it became more routine and before I knew it I had drifted very far from the routine and it was hard to get going again.

 

Anyway, that was a very long post, I apologize.

I look forward to reading about everyone's progress and challenges and I'm very encouraged that long term success for me is just ahead!

 

travis

 

 




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I will keep this fairly short, but I'm new to the group (sorta).  I first joined back about 4 or 5 years ago.  This is not my first time with F5, I've been on and off of it during this time.  I have keep very good notes on my progress through all of that and I sat down last night and reviewed it all to figure out why this just never worked for me long term? 

I keep coming back to it because:

  1. I know it works because I lose weight EVERY time
  2. It really helps me discipline myself when it comes to eating and keeps me from allowing food to control my life
  3. I experience other health benefits from this as well such as lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and lower triglycerides. 
  4. It's very convenient when I don't have to mess with making breakfast and packing a full lunch for work.
  5. I save money on groceries and snacks during the day
  6. I FEEL better and I'm more confident when I feel light and my clothes fit me better
  7. I never battle fatigue in the afternoons or on the drive home, I'm always alert

I know I could think of more, but 7 is enough.  :)

So you may be asking yourself, why have I not stuck with this then?  Why all of the starting and stopping?

What I experience consistently as I read back through all everything I have written can be summed up in one of my entries from back in 2009.

Here's what I wrote:

"I'm stopping Fast5 because I'm tired of feeling tired, weak, spacey and irritable.  Even after I eat I find myself being more irritable than I normally am.  The weightloss was great, but it's not worth the side-effects.  Also, it's affecting my performance at work. My short term memory really seems to suffer even though it is supposed to be sharper some how?  It's not and I cannot seem to subside the spacey feeling using everyone's advice either.  I thought I could do this, but cannot sustain this for the long haul."

I would go on over the next 3 or 4 years starting back up and ultimately having to quit for pretty much the same reasons. 

At one point I started doing the Warrior Diet and that was horrible and made everything worse.  I started doing Weight Watchers and that worked for a while, but I felt that was harder to maintain because of all of the tracking and counting and everything. 

F5 fits my lifestyle better than anything else I've tried, I just have to get through this issue of the dizziness. 

I have been doing a lot of reading again and I'm back (again) to give this a shot and go at it from one angle that I haven't tried yet.  I am on week 3 this time around and I am doing very well actually.  What I am changing this time around is my window.  In the past I have consistently kept a window of 2:00 - 7:00.  Looking back over everything I saw a pattern of extending my window because of one thing or another.  I'm doing a window of 5:00 - 10:00 PM like the book suggests this time and today is actually going to be the first day that I hit it.  So far this time around, my window has been in the 2:30/3:00 PM time frame when I opened it.  Today will be 5:00 PM. 

This new window will: 

  • completely eliminate the need to bring any food to work
  • eliminate the issue of eating too early and messing up my window if the family ends up eating later after dinner... I don't have to miss out
  • help me keep from over eating... in other words, I won't be eating lunch AND dinner. I end up eating lunch and dinner both, and then some... this will just be one meal (dinner) and a snack or something later.

I'm keeping a close eye on any advice that I see posted.  What helps me is to read about what others are experiencing.  When I know others have experienced the same things, but stuck it out and the symptoms subside, that gives me hope to keep at it.

One of my downfalls before has been fudging a little when the weight came off.  Once I started doing that, it became more routine and before I knew it I had drifted very far from the routine and it was hard to get going again.

 

Anyway, that was a very long post, I apologize.

I look forward to reading about everyone's progress and challenges and I'm very encouraged that long term success for me is just ahead!

 

travis

 

 



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Re: [fast5] Re: Similar but different from Fast-5



Way back when I was first introduced to IF, it was via "The Warrior Diet" which
allowed raw fruits and vegies during the day. It DID work like a charm.
The people who were all testing it eventually dropped the daytime
snacks mostly, because "why bother?" ... but it does give a person an
out when socializing. It's easy and socially acceptable to have a big salad for lunch,
and there are a lot of raw-foodists around here anyway.

My current theory is that the "uric acid foods" are the ones that mess
things up with the appestat, so that would be things like sugar, soda pop,
and red meat. Hard boiled eggs, lettuce, vinegar ... salad ingredients ...
shouldn't affect appetite or glucose levels in a bad way at all.




On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:39 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was thinking that if I struggle on Fast-5, I could go this route temporarily, until Fast-5 is easier....
Just eat only vegetables if I start early.



--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
>
> How to Lose 35 Pounds Without Dieting
>
> Bittman has shared his new food mantra with the masses in his latest book "VB6: Eat Vegan Before 6:00." It's a simple plan that anyone can follow, he says in an interview with The Daily Ticker.
>
> "What the science is really telling us is that we don't eat enough plants," he says. "We eat too much junk food. We eat too much meat. We eat too many animal products in general. The whole strategy is shifting a portion of your diet – not all of it – but a tolerable part of it to plants."
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/lose-35-pounds-without-dieting-125430268.html?vp=1
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I was thinking that if I struggle on Fast-5, I could go this route temporarily, until Fast-5 is easier....
Just eat only vegetables if I start early.



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> How to Lose 35 Pounds Without Dieting
>
> Bittman has shared his new food mantra with the masses in his latest book "VB6: Eat Vegan Before 6:00." It's a simple plan that anyone can follow, he says in an interview with The Daily Ticker.
>
> "What the science is really telling us is that we don't eat enough plants," he says. "We eat too much junk food. We eat too much meat. We eat too many animal products in general. The whole strategy is shifting a portion of your diet – not all of it – but a tolerable part of it to plants."
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Re: [fast5] Re: Falling off and getting back on






On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:37 AM, marty398 <marty398@yahoo.com> wrote:
Heather,

Your comments about gout are interesting.  A friend just asked me if I had gout since one of my hands looked puffy.  (He said that can be a symptom.) I assumed it was just the weight I had put back on.

You mentioned beer and fructose as potential causes.  What about other alcohol?  Isn't that processed in the liver much like fructose.

I guess I need to do some research about gout and dietary ways to control it.  Thanks for the idea about this potential cause.  If I learn anything that might help the group, I'll be sure to pass it on.

--
Marty


Please do pass on anything you learn! I do appreciate everyone's "Experiments of one".

I don't know about ethanol itself. Beer is decidedly NOT good:


Beer is associated with fatness too, in society and also in some studies. For example,
the bones of monks from monasteries that brewed beer, showed that these monks
were fatter than the monks that made other products.


Wine isn't associated with fatness though, and the French aren't noted as being fat people either.
Also wine doesn't seem to trigger gout attacks:



BUT ... I think drinking alcohol in general can cause dehydration, which is something
you want to avoid.

I don't think ethanol is metabolized at all like fructose, and it certainly has a different
effect on the body. Ethanol gets metabolized into acetic acid eventually ...
aka vinegar.



Now vinegar has a reputation for getting rid of gout. In studies, it also is known
to help with weight loss, and blood pressure. So acetic acid might help with
uric acid. (Or, it might be the malic acid in ACV). Taking vinegar is probably
safer than drinking a lot of alcohol, and cheaper. I do know vinegar is good for
helping quench appetite.


"My wife started an intense internet search for natural remedy of gout. She found this site that talk about Gout Remedies. 59 out of 68 people who drink Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) were relieved from gout pain within a few days. "Two days of ACV was all it took for gout pain relief!" said a few testimonies."


I think Vitamin C is also a uric acid antagonist, but it should not be
taken with a meal containing meat or iron-enriched food (it causes the
iron to be over-absorbed, at least for some people). Citric acid may be
another antagonist:

Eating oranges does NOT cause uric acid levels to rise, even though
they have a fair bit of fructose. Eat your oranges! The peel has good stuff
in it too that may help with inflammation.


Anyway, it's a fun thing to experiment with and is unlikely to have negative
side effects. Science is just beginning to figure out what controls the 
appestat, and why it goes SO haywire sometimes. If the answer turns out
to have to do with uric acid, that would be a great thing ... it's something that's
been studied for decades and fairly easy to fix. Dr. Richard Johnson did write
a book about this, with the unfortunate name "The Fat Switch" which gives a lot
of the science behind his thinking.
Interestingly, even though I had the "big toe bump" and joint pain, my uric
acid levels showed as normal on a blood test. I haven't had them re-tested,
but the bump is gone and my joints feel great.



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Heather,

Your comments about gout are interesting. A friend just asked me if I had gout since one of my hands looked puffy. (He said that can be a symptom.) I assumed it was just the weight I had put back on.

You mentioned beer and fructose as potential causes. What about other alcohol? Isn't that processed in the liver much like fructose.

I guess I need to do some research about gout and dietary ways to control it. Thanks for the idea about this potential cause. If I learn anything that might help the group, I'll be sure to pass it on.

--
Marty

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Linda McErlean <linda4686401@...> wrote:
>
> I've fallen off too but have maintained my weight loss. That in itself is amazing. Trying to start over today. Fighting hunger. Trying herb tea to help stay on track. I know after a few days I will be ok. It does seem harder to start over though.
> Linda
>
> Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall.
>
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:37 AM, marty398 <marty398@...> wrote:
> > I was on Fast-5 for a couple of years. Dropped about 50 pounds and then gained about 8-10 back. I was stable during the last year I was on Fast-5.
> >
> > But I've not been consistent for the last year or so. I'm also about 20 lbs heavier.
> >
> > Getting back onto Fast-5 seems harder than it was the first time. Any hints?
> >
> > --
> > Marty
>
>
> I've come to the conclusion (based on a lot of reading and experimenting)
> that appetite is controlled largely by uric acid. Uric acid controls the "hibernation"
> cycle. When uric acid levels go up in bears, they get more hungry and eat more
> and gain fat. Uric acid also causes the fat to STAY. I think Fast-5 lowers
> uric acid levels in the long run, which is one reason it works. BUT ... at the
> first part of fasting, uric acid levels go UP.
>
> So, what can you do about it? Mainly if you eat foods that control uric
> acid levels (by my theory).
>
> Some foods lower uric acid levels, by causing it to be excreted. Protein
> does that, as long as the source isn't high in purines. So eggs and fish
> work rather nicely. Eggs are basically magic for appetite.
>
> Some foods tend to raise uric acid levels. The big one is fructose ... which
> is half of a sugar molecule. Sugar, honey, molasses, coconut sugar,
> palm sugar, HFCS etc. are ALL high in fructose. Fruit juice too.
>
> Most Karo corn syrup though, oddly, does not have much fructose.
> Or rice syrup, or dextrose. Or starches, like rice. Those are neutral foods.
> Whole fruit, for some reason, does not seem to raise uric acid levels.
>
> Some other things that raise uric acid levels:
>
> Beer
> High iron foods ("fortified" starches: most starchy foods in the US have added iron)
> Saturated fat (yes, even coconut oil!)
> Organ meats
> Not drinking enough water
> Not eating on a schedule
>
> Anyway, when I have beer, I get "the hungries" all the next day.
>
> I looked into this when I started getting gout symptoms ... that big
> lump by the big toe and joint pain. My Dad had it too, but he managed
> it with diet. And, then he got skinny, though he wasn't restricting food.
>
> When they gave fat kids some gout medicine, the fat kids lost weight.
>
> My toe lump did go away when I started doing the stuff above, and then
> I lost like 30 lbs. Note that I'm not trying to make a general case against
> saturated fats or organ meats, or beer! I do like beer. I like my joints
> being happy too though.
>
>
>
>
>
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