Friday, July 31, 2009

[fast5] Re: Thinking about starting the program

Karen,

I think that you are a pretty good success story because it sounds like you're doing exactly what you need to do at the time that you need to do it and you're not beating yourself up for not being "prefect." If any of us could be perfect, would we even be here?

Everytime I take a break from F5 I feel like garbage even though I eat pretty healthy. When I eat according to the F5 schedule I feel awsome even though half of what I eat is technically garbage. What does that tell you? It's not so much what you eat but when and that's the whole point of the book. We need to forget about the so called "Ideal Diet" because no one can follow it. Even Ori H. who wrote the Warrior Diet said in the beginning of the book that he has has done the Warrior Diet off and on for 25 years. There's a clue there, even HE can't stick to it every freekin day of his life and he's the author! We don't need to be perfect. As long as we aren't stuffing ourself with food around the clock we'll be fine. As long as we give our bodies a break from food most of the time we'll be getting the full benefits of fasting even if we don't eat perfect when we do eat. What you eat during your 5 hour window is GOING to be better than what you would have eaten if you ate between 3-6 meals a day, that's for sure, and because of that you should consider yourself a success even if you've been stuck at a weight higher than what you want for a while.

Most of us here feel amazing when we fast and that is the whole point of the book. We don't feel like that on other diets. As long as your doing it your a success. Enjoy your day, enjoy the freedom and energy and at night after all the work is done enjoy your food and relax. Life's too short to worry about all the unimportant details.

I still get newsletters from diet programs promoting 6 meals a day and the one I got today outlined a plan for breaking a plateau and it had all these steps and rules and things you had to give up and I'm like WHAT A DRAG. Thank God I don't do that anymore. If the dude would just fast once in a while maybe he wouldn't have to follow his 85 steps to dieting success.


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <laurvick@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not much of a 'success' story in the point of losing weight.
>
> But I do feel successful in the fasting part!
>
> I have my own issues that I'm trying to learn to deal with and work around,
> so have not been on Fast5 at one time for any great length of time.
>
> Last fall, did F5 for about 3 months, but, honestly, I used my 5-hr window
> to eat junk.
>
> And since I'm close to desired weight, I did not lose weight.
>
> Then I had to take a medication w/food every 12 hrs so got off F5.
>
> Now I only need to take the meds once/day so am trying F5 again.
>
> But I mixed the days; some days I would fast, others days I would eat
> 'normally'.
>
> I was choosing not to fast on the days that I was doing my hardest work
> outs.
>
> But a week ago, I got the courage to fast past my morning workouts.
>
> I feel I have been doing fine.
>
> I do my work outs (weight lifting 4 days/wk; cardio 2 days/wk) about 10 hrs
> fasted.
>
> Now I'm making better food choices during my eating window (except the past
> two Saturdays!!! Grrr on me!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> kris10_ross
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:30 AM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Thinking about starting the program
>
> So I am thinking about the starting the program and I would like to lose
> about 25lbs in total.
>
> The biggest problem for me is simply the change in my daily routines. The
> best time for me to eat is from 1-5 or 2-6 based on my schedule, however
> weekends that might change.
>
> Do any of you find it a problem to change your window on weekends?
>
> I would love to hear some success stories and feedback on any additional
> helping points to help the weight come off. I have been working out quite
> hard the last few weeks to really jumpstart the weightloss, so I need to eat
> during the day to keep up my enegery for the evening.
>
> Let me know some thoughts, feedback, etc....
> I am very intersted in starting, just need a little help!
> thanks!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>


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Re: [fast5] Re: Seven month update ( January - July )

i did not mean fix              i meant    fit to your life style



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[fast5] Re: Need encouragement/ spiritual practice?

Hi Erica,

I understand the "struggle" you mention. I keep reminding myself of how my weight has socially (and emotionally) damaged me growing up (I was the "fat kid").

I spent many years searching for comfort and I turned to The Creator for support. In my research, I noticed that there is a lot of reference to "fasting and praying" contained in the 66 books of the KJV. There is definitely a connection between fasting and "the spiritual" realm.

I keep the following scripture from the Old Testament saved on my desktop and read it often to help me keep focused…

"Now, therefore, says the Lord, turn to Me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning. So rend your heart, and not your garments; Return to the Lord your God for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness; and He relents from doing harm."
Joel 2:12-14

I give thanks to YHWH. I get my strength from Yeshua.

I hope this helps.

Rob
http://www.bigfire.ca


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Erica Stelcik <erica.stelcik@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm struggling! This past week has been a big FAIL. I don't know if it's
> stress, female hormones, or a combination, but I have been slacking off,
> eating 2 or 3 meals a day. I think at some point, when I noticed that I was
> not losing weight the past couple of weeks, I gave up a bit.
>
> Today, I recommitted to Fast 5, especially to stay away from the fresh
> bagels that are downstairs! I noticed that water with stevia helps cut my
> cravings down.
>
> Just curious, does anyone do Fast 5 as a spiritual practice?
>
> Erica
>


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[fast5] Re: Seven month update ( January - July )

I am stumbling on the term "fix" that you used.

Was I broken? Well... I will admit being the fat kid all my life left me with some emotional scars that probably won't heal.

Again, here is a link to an earlier message that I posted that explains more of my madness...

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/fast5/message/4300

I will add the following...

I try to eat at the same time every day. My target is noon. However... if I know that I will have to attend pre-planned occasion (birthday, business lunch, personal part, etc.) where there is food to be served. I won't eat until that meal.

Fast on people, fast on.


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Pat <evans1b@...> wrote:
>
> Hello again,
>  
> Congrats!!!!    What is the time of your window?
>  
>  
> Pat
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Hey You! <rob_up_north@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Hey You! <rob_up_north@...>
> Subject: [fast5] Re: Seven month update ( January - July )
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:00 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> Here is a link to a previous post where I explain my madness..
>
> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ fast5/message/ 4300
>
> :-)
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups. com, Pat <evans1b@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >  
> > Wow         So how did you tailor Fast 5 to fix you?
> >  
> >  
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Hey You! <rob_up_north@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Hey You! <rob_up_north@ ...>
> > Subject: [fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )
> > To: fast5@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:11 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all FF'ers,
> >
> > Well, today is the last day of July. I have lived my new eating lifestyle since January (quite dedicatedly) . I'm not that smart but I have enough fingers to figure out that seven months have passed.
> >
> > Today, I stepped on the scale soon after I woke up. I stood there and stared at the dial (surrounded by my toes). I came to the conclusion that I do not have enough fingers to figure it how much weight I have removed from my frame so I had to fire up some brain cells that have not been active since High School.
> >
> > I have lost 75 lbs.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > http://www.bigfire. ca
> >
>


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RE: [fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )

Absolutely awesome, Rob!!

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You!
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Subject: [fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )

I have lost 75 lbs.

Rob

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Re: [fast5] Re: Seven month update ( January - July )



Hello again,
 
Congrats!!!!    What is the time of your window?
 
 
Pat



--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Hey You! <rob_up_north@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Hey You! <rob_up_north@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [fast5] Re: Seven month update ( January - July )
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:00 PM

 
Hi Pat,

Here is a link to a previous post where I explain my madness..

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ fast5/message/ 4300

:-)


--- In fast5@yahoogroups. com, Pat <evans1b@... > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>  
> Wow         So how did you tailor Fast 5 to fix you?
>  
>  
> Pat
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Hey You! <rob_up_north@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Hey You! <rob_up_north@ ...>
> Subject: [fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )
> To: fast5@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:11 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hello all FF'ers,
>
> Well, today is the last day of July. I have lived my new eating lifestyle since January (quite dedicatedly) . I'm not that smart but I have enough fingers to figure out that seven months have passed.
>
> Today, I stepped on the scale soon after I woke up. I stood there and stared at the dial (surrounded by my toes). I came to the conclusion that I do not have enough fingers to figure it how much weight I have removed from my frame so I had to fire up some brain cells that have not been active since High School.
>
> I have lost 75 lbs.
>
> Rob
>
> http://www.bigfire. ca
>




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[fast5] Re: Seven month update ( January - July )

Hi Pat,

Here is a link to a previous post where I explain my madness..

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/fast5/message/4300

:-)


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Pat <evans1b@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>  
> Wow         So how did you tailor Fast 5 to fix you?
>  
>  
> Pat
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Hey You! <rob_up_north@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Hey You! <rob_up_north@...>
> Subject: [fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:11 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hello all FF'ers,
>
> Well, today is the last day of July. I have lived my new eating lifestyle since January (quite dedicatedly) . I'm not that smart but I have enough fingers to figure out that seven months have passed.
>
> Today, I stepped on the scale soon after I woke up. I stood there and stared at the dial (surrounded by my toes). I came to the conclusion that I do not have enough fingers to figure it how much weight I have removed from my frame so I had to fire up some brain cells that have not been active since High School.
>
> I have lost 75 lbs.
>
> Rob
>
> http://www.bigfire. ca
>


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[fast5] Need encouragement/ spiritual practice?



Hi folks,
 
I'm struggling! This past week has been a big FAIL. I don't know if it's stress, female hormones, or a combination, but I have been slacking off, eating 2 or 3 meals a day. I think at some point, when I noticed that I was not losing weight the past couple of weeks, I gave up a bit.
 
Today, I recommitted to Fast 5, especially to stay away from the fresh bagels that are downstairs! I noticed that water with stevia helps cut my cravings down.
 
Just curious, does anyone do Fast 5 as a spiritual practice?
 
Erica


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Re: [fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )



Hello,
 
Wow         So how did you tailor Fast 5 to fix you?
 
 
Pat



--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Hey You! <rob_up_north@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Hey You! <rob_up_north@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:11 PM

 
Hello all FF'ers,

Well, today is the last day of July. I have lived my new eating lifestyle since January (quite dedicatedly) . I'm not that smart but I have enough fingers to figure out that seven months have passed.

Today, I stepped on the scale soon after I woke up. I stood there and stared at the dial (surrounded by my toes). I came to the conclusion that I do not have enough fingers to figure it how much weight I have removed from my frame so I had to fire up some brain cells that have not been active since High School.

I have lost 75 lbs.

Rob

http://www.bigfire. ca





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[fast5] Seven month update ( January - July )

Hello all FF'ers,

Well, today is the last day of July. I have lived my new eating lifestyle since January (quite dedicatedly). I'm not that smart but I have enough fingers to figure out that seven months have passed.

Today, I stepped on the scale soon after I woke up. I stood there and stared at the dial (surrounded by my toes). I came to the conclusion that I do not have enough fingers to figure it how much weight I have removed from my frame so I had to fire up some brain cells that have not been active since High School.

I have lost 75 lbs.

Rob

http://www.bigfire.ca

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[fast5] Ellen - meals?



Ellen – I’m going to pick up the book at the library.

 

In the meantime, would you share what a day’s typical eats are for you?

 


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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:04 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fast5] Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested

 

 You don't have to buy a ton of meat.  A small amount of protein and enoughsome good fat will satisfy you more than you can believe right now.   I am sure there are ways you can eat low carb for less$..... Eggs and lots of butter or coconut oil is very filling and not so costly.  



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Thursday, July 30, 2009

RE: [fast5] (Ellen) Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested



Great write up, Ellen.   I wish I didn’t have to leave for work; I want to read what you’ve written.  Think it is part of MY problem, too!!

 


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I was hungry all the time for 64 years....then with Fast 5 and very low carb I was totally stunned to find that I could wait to eat  like "normal" people, that I could go to a party and have a good time and not give a flip about all the beautiful cakes, pies candies etc.   I felt like a totally different person. It has nothing to do with will power.... it is a chemical response.
 
http://www.themodernhomestead.us/article/Ellen%27s+Little+Soapbox.html




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RE: [fast5] Thinking about starting the program

I'm not much of a 'success' story in the point of losing weight.

But I do feel successful in the fasting part!

I have my own issues that I'm trying to learn to deal with and work around,
so have not been on Fast5 at one time for any great length of time.

Last fall, did F5 for about 3 months, but, honestly, I used my 5-hr window
to eat junk.

And since I'm close to desired weight, I did not lose weight.

Then I had to take a medication w/food every 12 hrs so got off F5.

Now I only need to take the meds once/day so am trying F5 again.

But I mixed the days; some days I would fast, others days I would eat
'normally'.

I was choosing not to fast on the days that I was doing my hardest work
outs.

But a week ago, I got the courage to fast past my morning workouts.

I feel I have been doing fine.

I do my work outs (weight lifting 4 days/wk; cardio 2 days/wk) about 10 hrs
fasted.

Now I'm making better food choices during my eating window (except the past
two Saturdays!!! Grrr on me!!)

-----Original Message-----
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kris10_ross
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:30 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Thinking about starting the program

So I am thinking about the starting the program and I would like to lose
about 25lbs in total.

The biggest problem for me is simply the change in my daily routines. The
best time for me to eat is from 1-5 or 2-6 based on my schedule, however
weekends that might change.

Do any of you find it a problem to change your window on weekends?

I would love to hear some success stories and feedback on any additional
helping points to help the weight come off. I have been working out quite
hard the last few weeks to really jumpstart the weightloss, so I need to eat
during the day to keep up my enegery for the evening.

Let me know some thoughts, feedback, etc....
I am very intersted in starting, just need a little help!
thanks!

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Re: [fast5] Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested



If you have  type 2 in your family AND you can't control your eating ANS you have weight issues you really need to understand that there is no way on earth that you will ever  be able to control the hunger until you drastically lower your carbs.  I was hungry all the time for 64 years....then with Fast 5 and very low carb I was totally stunned to find that I could wait to eat  like "normal" people, that I could go to a party and have a good time and not give a flip about all the beautiful cakes, pies candies etc.   I felt like a totally different person. It has nothing to do with will power.... it is a chemical response. I wish to God I had understood this 50 years ago.  The emotional and energy roller coaster caused by these blood sugar issues has not been the greatest ride.  And frankly it is a shame.  I could have accomplished much more in that time.


 Maybe you need to read more about carbs and insulin to get you motivated. Here is something I wrote with a lot of good links.   I would especially recommend reading what Jenny Ruhl has to say about the serous damage that is done by high post prandial blood sugars and how diabetes develops...basically what she is saying is that the current method for diagnosis is seriously flawed.  Having good fasting blood sugars does not mean that you are not in trouble yet..  If your post meal BG goes high enough, often enough that is cause for real concern.... and high doesn't have to be all that high.  Over 120.

 
http://www.themodernhomestead.us/article/Ellen%27s+Little+Soapbox.html

I hate to waste food too.  I don't know your financial circumstances   but  I must ask if you really need to eat what is in your house if it is making you sick....the cost down the road in money and misery is just not worth it.  There is cost in dollars and cost in suffering...you gotta choose.  

 You don't have to buy a ton of meat.  A small amount of protein and enoughsome good fat will satisfy you more than you can believe right now.   I am sure there are ways you can eat low carb for less$..... Eggs and lots of butter or coconut oil is very filling and not so costly.   Some big omelets with good veggies can take the place of some of the meat. Oh and the fruit  this time of year...I hear you.  But trust me  that your feeling that you must eat that lovely fruit because it is in season can change.  We grow lots of our own food ( as you may have noticed from the website)  I love picking berries...we have all kinds.  But these days I am only able to have 1/4 cup of berries a day.  That is my only fruit.  Every day go an pick blueberries....I don't put even one in my mouth.  It is astonishing to me that I can do that.  It is even more astonishing and wonderful that the experience of picking those berries is about a thousand times better than when I was eating a good portion of what I picked.  Now my whole being is more involved with whatever I am doing instead of half of it focused on the next bite. I now understand what liberation means!  All my life I was controlled by the food.  And I couldn't really see that till it changed.

One more thing:  there is no nutritional requirement for carbs.  NONE.  We all must have protein and fats to survive, but not carbs.  Some people can get away with eating them.  But many of us can't

Ellen






On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:29 PM, xenia.rose <rosecounseling@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Thanks for the posts. I am going to read them over again a few times they are so good!

I can carry a lunch to work but it is a real pain. I have tro take it to a break-room that is really out of the way and hope that no one steals anything out of it. I can't carry anything back to my office from the break-room except what is sold in the vending machines. So, I can't go make tea and carry it back. The smell of food at lunch time is NOT good for me so I don't want to go near the lunch room at all.

Bottled water is not sold in the vending machines and I can't carry my water cup in and out of the gates. I was allowed to bring it in, but it has to stay now because if I bring it back in, I have to get special permission. So, I can't go drink lemon water in my car.

I drink water at work though. The water from the drinking fountain is the same quality water I have at home as it comes from the same water system. The water here tastes great. I have never lived somewhere that had better tasting water. I think someone should bottle the water here it is so good. So, I gladly drink water from the water fountain at work.

Yes, I absolutely consume too much carbs... not just one the weekends but often too many during the week. I have started to pay more attention to the carb content during the week and to serving sizes at least on the weekend but I feel so stressed that sometimes I the weekend I just start to not care.. I want to eat what I want to eat... like this last Sunday when I made "green eggs and pasta" (Normally "green eggs and ham pasta" but I didn't have any ham.) This is either 2 hard boiled eggs or two slowly fried eggs chopped up and added to pasta with pesto sauce. I had that with some fresh veggies and a little bit of ranch dressing as my main meal on Sunday. That morning I can Rice Crispy cereal and milk with some sugar added as well as some canned cling peaches. I had a bumblebee crackers with chicken salad for lunch.. which is really more of a little snack then a meal. Sunday I also drank 3 12 oz cans of coke over the course of the day.

I refuse to count calories but maybe I could go back to at least writing down what my menu's for the day was and how my appetite functioned to see if there is a connection.

There is a strong history of type II diabetes in my family. I get tested ever so often and I come out just fine. The last test was done two months ago. But that doesn't mean that I should just ignore the effects of insulin spikes. AT the moment though I am not willing to go low carb because of my money issues. I need to eat up what is in my house and I can't afford to buy a ton of meat. Also, I don't want to give up fruit when I can get fresh fruit this time of year.

It is easier for me to go low carb in the winter and I may consider it then. Personally, I think a better balance with lower carbs is more likely to be the direction I go rather then truly "low carb." I know I eat too many carbs.. and that this is unbalanced.

Lots to think about. Thanks.




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[fast5] Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested

Thanks for the posts. I am going to read them over again a few times they are so good!

I can carry a lunch to work but it is a real pain. I have tro take it to a break-room that is really out of the way and hope that no one steals anything out of it. I can't carry anything back to my office from the break-room except what is sold in the vending machines. So, I can't go make tea and carry it back. The smell of food at lunch time is NOT good for me so I don't want to go near the lunch room at all.

Bottled water is not sold in the vending machines and I can't carry my water cup in and out of the gates. I was allowed to bring it in, but it has to stay now because if I bring it back in, I have to get special permission. So, I can't go drink lemon water in my car.

I drink water at work though. The water from the drinking fountain is the same quality water I have at home as it comes from the same water system. The water here tastes great. I have never lived somewhere that had better tasting water. I think someone should bottle the water here it is so good. So, I gladly drink water from the water fountain at work.

Yes, I absolutely consume too much carbs... not just one the weekends but often too many during the week. I have started to pay more attention to the carb content during the week and to serving sizes at least on the weekend but I feel so stressed that sometimes I the weekend I just start to not care.. I want to eat what I want to eat... like this last Sunday when I made "green eggs and pasta" (Normally "green eggs and ham pasta" but I didn't have any ham.) This is either 2 hard boiled eggs or two slowly fried eggs chopped up and added to pasta with pesto sauce. I had that with some fresh veggies and a little bit of ranch dressing as my main meal on Sunday. That morning I can Rice Crispy cereal and milk with some sugar added as well as some canned cling peaches. I had a bumblebee crackers with chicken salad for lunch.. which is really more of a little snack then a meal. Sunday I also drank 3 12 oz cans of coke over the course of the day.

I refuse to count calories but maybe I could go back to at least writing down what my menu's for the day was and how my appetite functioned to see if there is a connection.

There is a strong history of type II diabetes in my family. I get tested ever so often and I come out just fine. The last test was done two months ago. But that doesn't mean that I should just ignore the effects of insulin spikes. AT the moment though I am not willing to go low carb because of my money issues. I need to eat up what is in my house and I can't afford to buy a ton of meat. Also, I don't want to give up fruit when I can get fresh fruit this time of year.

It is easier for me to go low carb in the winter and I may consider it then. Personally, I think a better balance with lower carbs is more likely to be the direction I go rather then truly "low carb." I know I eat too many carbs.. and that this is unbalanced.

Lots to think about. Thanks.

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Re: [fast5] Thinking about starting the program

For success stories, a good thing to do is search the archives. There are some
very good ones there! We really should get the best ones and put them
in their own section or something.

For getting used to the diet, the method in the book, pushing back
your breakfast by half and hour a day, is a good one I think. Most
people adapt rather quickly, from what they say. For people who adapt
less quickly, some of the tips that have been shared here are:

1. Lemon juice in water (hot or cold)
2. Eat more protein and fat in your meal, less carbs and sugars.
3. Eat your vegies and protein *first*, and save the carbs/starches/desserts
for after you've eaten the healthy stuff.

I've also experimented with things like celery sticks to add "bulk"
without many calories, which is handy if you have stomach issues (I
got ulcers for unrelated reasons). Lately I've been experimenting with
glucomannan powder, and it *is* a great hunger suppressant fiber (it
doesn't actually contribute much of anything in the way of calories,
and it is not a drug, and the side effects are good ones). Psyllium
(metamucil) can be good too, though some people have problems with it
if they take too much.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM, kris10_ross<kris10_ross@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So I am thinking about the starting the program and I would like to lose about 25lbs in total.
>
> The biggest problem for me is simply the change in my daily routines.  The best time for me to eat is from 1-5 or 2-6 based on my schedule, however weekends that might change.
>
> Do any of you find it a problem to change your window on weekends?
>
> I would love to hear some success stories and feedback on any additional helping points to help the weight come off.  I have been working out quite hard the last few weeks to really jumpstart the weightloss, so I need to eat during the day to keep up my enegery for the evening.
>
> Let me know some thoughts, feedback, etc....
> I am very intersted in starting, just need a little help!
> thanks!
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So I am thinking about the starting the program and I would like to lose about 25lbs in total.

The biggest problem for me is simply the change in my daily routines. The best time for me to eat is from 1-5 or 2-6 based on my schedule, however weekends that might change.

Do any of you find it a problem to change your window on weekends?

I would love to hear some success stories and feedback on any additional helping points to help the weight come off. I have been working out quite hard the last few weeks to really jumpstart the weightloss, so I need to eat during the day to keep up my enegery for the evening.

Let me know some thoughts, feedback, etc....
I am very intersted in starting, just need a little help!
thanks!

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RE: [fast5] Overview of my Wonderful Experience

Golly, that is a wonderful report, Emma.

I especially appreciate what you say about not craving sugar/processed foods
anymore; in such a short time!

I've been on my fitness journey for over 6 years and still struggle
sometimes!

It gets better, tho!

And 140 @ 5'11"!!! wow! I'm 5'6" and try to keep 140 out of my sight, lol.
Now I'll have to reach for 125!

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.. I never crave refined sugars or processed foods anymore. Anyone who is
questioning whether or not to try this way of life, should most definitely
just dive in and give it a shot. If you really hate it, and I am sure you
won't, you can always go back to your old way of eating.

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Re: [fast5] Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested



did you say what you are eating....  especially on weekends?  It may be that you are having too many carbs and that is keeping your insulin up and therefor your hunger really kicks in.  I would consider going seriously low carb.  I think that a major factor in why FF works is that it helps bring insulin back in line.  But  depending on how long it has been going on and how your parents ate insulin resistance can require more than simply Fast 5 to be brought under control.

Ellen

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:33 PM, xenia.rose <rosecounseling@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

The longer window idea might work for the weekends perhaps but not during the week.

I was doing OK with doing the Fast-5 Monday through Friday (work days) except that Monday was usually harder then the rest of the week. Then my job became more stressful and so did my personal life and now it is harder more often then just on Mondays.

I sometimes think that going off on Saturday and Sunday and back on Monday might be part of the problem.

The lemon or vinegar might help on the weekends but it wouldn't work during the week. I work in a prison and can't have access to just anything. I can't even fix myself a cup of tea. All that is around is coffee and I HATE coffee. I skip lunch (because I am on the Fast-5) and work through it. When I get really craving some soda, it is a bother to go get it. I have to go outside to another building, pass through 4 locked gates and in the process turn in my keys at least if not my radio and personal alarm, then go out to my car for change (or maybe I predicted I would drink soda and carried 5 quarters in my pocket). Buy the soda then go through the 4 gates, get back what ever I turned in, go outside and back to my building.

Invariably by the time I get back to my office there isn't enough time to drink much of the soda while it is cold because I have to go back outside and to some other buildings to do things for my job. But I still buy the soda and pathetically drink it room temperature!

I have seriously considered removing all change and money from my car so that even if I did crave a soda I would have to literally drive all the way home for money.

Today I was SO hungry. I woke up hungry. I was very busy and tried to distract myself but my thoughts returned again and again to wanting a soda and maybe going out to lunch. I did over eat over the weekend so I am sure that is part of it. I woke up the limbic appetite.

Someone suggested a supplement. I am on a spending fast right now. I can buy food related items, hygiene items and things for my cat only until I can get my finances in order to prepare to move out of this apartment into a nicer rented house. (Which hopefully will happen the end of August.)

I do like the idea of having a longer window to eat on the weekend rather then saying I can have breakfast, lunch, snack and supper anytime I am hungry. I usually only have two meals and a snack. Maybe I could try for two snacks and one meal but start later in the afternoon.

I am also not feeling very motivated to work out. I think I am just feeling generally defeated with the whole body transformation process in general. I have lost weight... from 265 to 220 (I am 5"1") but I am still very very overweight and sometimes I just feel as if I am chasing windmills when it comes to having a normal sized body.

I "know" in my head that the secret to success on any goal is self efficacy. But I am really struggling with believing in myself. I believe in my workouts and in the fast-5 program. I believe that they are good programs. I just feel as if I can't help but fail.




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Re: [fast5] Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested

It probably depends on how much lemon is in the tea, but in general people
don't use a whole lot and I think it fits in the "5 calorie" window. Glucomannan
has some calories too. But neither one causes the "rebound effect" that
many foods do, at least in my experience. As with everything, experiment
and see what works! Then tell the rest of us!


On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Erica Stelcik<erica.stelcik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Do you think that the hot water with lemon can be used during the fasting
> time period? I have been doing a water/tea fast (sometimes with some stevia
> to give my tongue a taste).
>
> I will have to look into glucomannan in a pill format. I believe shirataki
> noodles have glucomannan too, but that's more of a meal.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I've been experimenting eating glucomannan with meals ... it changes
>> the blood sugar curve for how you digest foods. It *really* helps
>> with hunger pangs and satiation. There is a lot of research on it,
>> and it's been eaten for hundreds of years in Asia. But taking a little
>> just before you eat your meal changes the way the meal digests ...
>> it doesn't spike your blood sugar so much and you feel full for
>> a lot longer. But your food still digests just fine ... or better ... it
>> just takes longer to do it.
>>
>> Anyway, they sell it in gel tabs, or you can buy the powder and
>> mix it with water or juice. For experimental purposes the
>> gel tabs are probably easiest:
>>
>> http://www.fibraslim.com/konjac.htm
>>
>> This has been working really well for me: I've totally cut
>> out snacking in my window and it seems to have helped
>> my stomach problems.
>>
>> Another thing that helps, and works in a similar way, is taking
>> lemon juice or vinegar just before a meal (or when you get
>> hunger pangs). Acidic foods change the blood sugar curve,
>> though I haven't heard a good explanation for why they do that.
>> Hot water with a little lemon juice is calming AND filling.
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [fast5] Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested

Wow. That is one stressful work environment, IMO. Stress changes your
appetite. And you
are saying that ALL you have access to is what they provide? I mean,
it would make
sense from a security point of view, but what about people who do need
medication?
Or want to bring lunch?

I used to work in an environment where the only really available food
or drink was
coffee and donuts. I used to drink a LOT of coffee. It was really
horrid coffee. One
day I thought: You know, I really don't like this coffee. Why am I
drinking it? I figured
out: I was *thirsty*. So I started bringing a huge sip-bottle to work.
No one had
ever seen such a thing: but they caught on quickly and a year later everyone had
them. Craving for soda may well be just a craving for water, or water with
a little acid or salt in it (plain water upsets the tummy for many people).

Anyway, hunger is often masked thirst and stress. I have zero idea how to
handle this in the prison system, where I suspect you also get lack of
natural light (which helps regulate appetite). Maybe if you tell us what you
CAN do, people might have some ideas.

My first inclination is to say: no matter what the hassles are, taking
a break and going out to your car and having some time to just
be quiet and look at the sky and drink some water, sip on some
lemon-juice-water, or take a glucomannan tablet (they tend to settle
your stomach, which is another thing I've learned lately), or drink GOOD
tea or coffee from a thermos ... read some from a good novel ...
might do a lot of good beyond dieting even. Feeling like you "can't
help but fail" is not great. You CAN succeed, sure. To do that you
need to feel supported: at the very least you need to be supported by
yourself, by taking care of yourself in whatever ways you need.

Writing stuff here is a good beginning. Figuring out what you
really want and need ... that is a good next step.

And yeah, not doing the same routine every day is really a problem.
When I go off my routine for whatever reason, the next day I
get really hungry.


On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM, xenia.rose<rosecounseling@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The longer window idea might work for the weekends perhaps but not during the week.
>
> I was doing OK with doing the Fast-5 Monday through Friday (work days) except that Monday was usually harder then the rest of the week. Then my job became more stressful and so did my personal life and now it is harder more often then just on Mondays.
>
> I sometimes think that going off on Saturday and Sunday and back on Monday might be part of the problem.
>
> The lemon or vinegar might help on the weekends but it wouldn't work during the week. I work in a prison and can't have access to just anything. I can't even fix myself a cup of tea. All that is around is coffee and I HATE coffee.  I skip lunch (because I am on the Fast-5) and work through it. When I get really craving some soda, it is a bother to go get it. I have to go outside to another building, pass through 4 locked gates and in the process turn in my keys at least if not my radio and personal alarm, then go out to my car for change (or  maybe I predicted I would drink soda and carried 5 quarters in my pocket). Buy the soda then go through the 4 gates, get back what ever I turned in, go outside and back to my building.
>
> Invariably by the time I get back to my office there isn't enough time to drink much of the soda while it is cold because I have to go back outside and to some other buildings to do things for my job.  But I still buy the soda and pathetically drink it room temperature!
>
> I have seriously considered removing all change and money from my car so that even if I did crave a soda I would have to literally drive all the way home for money.
>
> Today I was SO hungry. I woke up hungry. I was very busy and tried to distract myself but my thoughts returned again and again to wanting a soda and maybe going out to lunch.  I did over eat over the weekend so I am sure that is part of it. I woke up the limbic appetite.
>
> Someone suggested a supplement. I am on a spending fast right now. I can buy food related items, hygiene items and things for my cat only until I can get my finances in order to prepare to move out of this apartment into a nicer rented house. (Which hopefully will happen the end of August.)
>
> I do like the idea of having a longer window to eat on the weekend rather then saying I can have breakfast, lunch, snack and supper anytime I am hungry.  I usually only have two meals and a snack. Maybe I could try for two snacks and one meal but start later in the afternoon.
>
> I am also not feeling very motivated to work out. I think I am just feeling generally defeated with the whole body transformation process in general.  I have lost weight... from 265 to 220 (I am 5"1") but I am still very very overweight and sometimes I just feel as if I am chasing windmills when it comes to having a normal sized body.
>
> I "know" in my head that the secret to success on any goal is self efficacy. But I am really struggling with believing in myself. I believe in my workouts and in the fast-5 program. I believe that they are good programs. I just feel as if I can't help but fail.
>
>
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Re: [fast5] The calorie delusion: Why food labels are wrong

Wow. That is really interesting. Particularly in light of the
current thought that "raw is easier to digest". It's hard to
argue that a python is swayed by food culture.


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> The calorie delusion: Why food labels are wrong
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The longer window idea might work for the weekends perhaps but not during the week.

I was doing OK with doing the Fast-5 Monday through Friday (work days) except that Monday was usually harder then the rest of the week. Then my job became more stressful and so did my personal life and now it is harder more often then just on Mondays.

I sometimes think that going off on Saturday and Sunday and back on Monday might be part of the problem.

The lemon or vinegar might help on the weekends but it wouldn't work during the week. I work in a prison and can't have access to just anything. I can't even fix myself a cup of tea. All that is around is coffee and I HATE coffee. I skip lunch (because I am on the Fast-5) and work through it. When I get really craving some soda, it is a bother to go get it. I have to go outside to another building, pass through 4 locked gates and in the process turn in my keys at least if not my radio and personal alarm, then go out to my car for change (or maybe I predicted I would drink soda and carried 5 quarters in my pocket). Buy the soda then go through the 4 gates, get back what ever I turned in, go outside and back to my building.

Invariably by the time I get back to my office there isn't enough time to drink much of the soda while it is cold because I have to go back outside and to some other buildings to do things for my job. But I still buy the soda and pathetically drink it room temperature!

I have seriously considered removing all change and money from my car so that even if I did crave a soda I would have to literally drive all the way home for money.

Today I was SO hungry. I woke up hungry. I was very busy and tried to distract myself but my thoughts returned again and again to wanting a soda and maybe going out to lunch. I did over eat over the weekend so I am sure that is part of it. I woke up the limbic appetite.

Someone suggested a supplement. I am on a spending fast right now. I can buy food related items, hygiene items and things for my cat only until I can get my finances in order to prepare to move out of this apartment into a nicer rented house. (Which hopefully will happen the end of August.)

I do like the idea of having a longer window to eat on the weekend rather then saying I can have breakfast, lunch, snack and supper anytime I am hungry. I usually only have two meals and a snack. Maybe I could try for two snacks and one meal but start later in the afternoon.

I am also not feeling very motivated to work out. I think I am just feeling generally defeated with the whole body transformation process in general. I have lost weight... from 265 to 220 (I am 5"1") but I am still very very overweight and sometimes I just feel as if I am chasing windmills when it comes to having a normal sized body.

I "know" in my head that the secret to success on any goal is self efficacy. But I am really struggling with believing in myself. I believe in my workouts and in the fast-5 program. I believe that they are good programs. I just feel as if I can't help but fail.

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RE: [fast5] Re: Suggestions on how to do the fast-5 program more days a week requested

I was/am addicted to sugar and def can relate to going thru those
withdrawals.

I think, as Heather has mentioned, you've got to find what satisfies.

This is a journey I have been on for a long time, now, trying to find out
what satisfies.

I found when I allowed myself to eat 'whatever' during my window, I did not
lose weight; I just kept on eating for the full 5 hrs.

Now, I'm trying to rein in my eating, keeping it under control, and waiting
till the very end of my eating window to have a treat, if I dare have one at
all.

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... I also have had trouble sleeping and have "craved" a soda for not just
the caffeine but for the sugar.

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[fast5] The calorie delusion: Why food labels are wrong


The calorie delusion: Why food labels are wrong


STANDING in line at the coffee shop you feel a little peckish. So what will you choose to keep you going until lunchtime? Will it be that scrumptious-looking chocolate brownie or perhaps a small, nut-based muesli bar. You check the labels: the brownie contains around 250 kilocalories (kcal), while the muesli bar contains more than 300. Surprised at the higher calorie count of what looks like the healthy option, you go for the brownie.

This is the kind of decision that people watching their weight - or even just keeping a casual eye on it - make every day. As long as we keep our calorie intake at around the recommended daily values of 2000 for women and 2500 for men, and get a good mix of nutrients, surely we can eat whatever we like?

This is broadly true; after all, maintaining a healthy weight is largely a matter of balancing calories in and calories out. Yet according to a small band of researchers, using the information on food labels to estimate calorie intake could be a very bad idea. They argue that calorie estimates on food labels are based on flawed and outdated science, and provide misleading information on how much energy your body will actually get from a food. Some food labels may over or underestimate this figure by as much as 25 per cent, enough to foil any diet, and over time even lead to obesity. As the western world's waistlines expand at an alarming rate, they argue, it is time consumers were told the true value of their food.

Calorie counts on food labels around the world are based on a system developed in the late 19th century by American chemist Wilbur Olin Atwater. Atwater calculated the energy content of various foods by burning small samples in controlled conditions and measuring the amount of energy released in the form of heat. To estimate the proportion of this raw energy that was used by the body, Atwater calculated the amount of energy lost as undigested food in faeces, and as chemical energy in the form of urea, ammonia and organic acids found in urine, and then he subtracted these figures from the total. Using this method, Atwater estimated that carbohydrates and protein provide an average of 4 kcal per gram, while fat provides 9 kcal per gram. With a few modifications, these measurements of what is known as metabolisable energy have been the currency of food ever since.

We know these values are approximate. Nutritionists are well aware that our bodies don't incinerate food, they digest it. And digestion - from chewing food to moving it through the gut and chemically breaking it down along the way - takes a different amount of energy for different foods. According to Geoffrey Livesey, an independent nutritionist based in Norfolk, UK, this can lower the number of calories your body extracts from a meal by anywhere between 5 and 25 per cent depending on the food eaten. "These energy costs are quite significant," he says, yet are not reflected on any food label.

Dietary fibre is one example. As well as being more resistant to mechanical and chemical digestion than other forms of carbohydrate, dietary fibre provides energy for gut microbes, and they take their cut before we get our share. Livesey has calculated that all these factors reduce the energy derived from dietary fibre by 25 per cent - down from the current estimate of 2 kcal per gram to 1.5 kcal per gram (The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vol 51, p 617).

Similarly, the number of calories attributed to protein should be reduced from 4 kcal per gram to 3.2 kcal per gram, a 20 per cent decrease, Livesey says. That's because it takes energy to convert ammonia to urea when protein is broken down into its constituent amino acids (British Journal of Nutrition, vol 85, p 271).

Put into the context of real life, these relatively small errors may make a measurable difference. In the case of the brownie versus the muesli bar, the label will overestimate the calories derived from the fibre and protein-packed muesli bar, perhaps by enough to make it lower in calories than the brownie. Just 20 kcal per day more than you need can add up to roughly a kilogram of fat over a year.
Just 20 kcal per day more than you need can add up to roughly a kilogram of fat over a year

Errors in the Atwater factors for protein and fibre are just one reason why the brownie may pack more of a calorific punch than the label suggests. The brownie will be much softer in texture than the nut-bar, a factor that is known to lower the energy cost of digestion. In a study published in 2003, for example, a team led by Kyoko Oka at Kyushu University in Fukuoka, Japan, investigated the effect of food texture on weight gain. They fed one group of rats their usual hard food pellets, while a second group received a softer version. Both pellets had exactly the same calorie content and flavour. The only difference was that softer ones were easier to chew. After 22 weeks, the rats on the soft food diet were obese and had more abdominal fat. "Food texture might be as important a factor for preventing obesity as taste or food nutrients," Oka and his colleagues concluded (Journal of Dental Research, vol 82, p 491).

A similar study in people had comparable results. Kentaro Murakami and Satoshi Sasaki, both at the University of Tokyo in Japan, surveyed 450 female students about their eating habits and then classified the food they ate according to how difficult it was to chew. They found that women who ate the hardest foods had significantly slimmer waistlines than those who ate the softest foods (American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vol 86, p206).

What's more, the brownie is made from refined sugar and flour, making it easier for our bodies to extract the available calories than it would be from the complex carbohydrates of the oatmeal in the cereal bar. And while the Atwater system assumes that the proportion of food that passes through the gut undigested is more or less constant, at around 10 per cent, we have known for more than 60 years that this is not the case. Thirty per cent or more of coarse-ground wheat flour may be excreted, while today's finely milled flours may be almost completely digested. As a result, foods made from these fine flours - like that brownie - are likely to channel practically all of the energy from carbohydrate into the body.

Cooking, too, can affect how many calories the body gets from foods, another factor the Atwater system ignores, says Richard Wrangham, a biological anthropologist at Harvard University. Wrangham became interested in the impact of food processing on calorie availability as part of his work into how cooking affected human evolution. In his recently published book Catching Fire: How cooking made us human, Wrangham suggests that the advent of cooking propelled our ancestors onto the evolutionary fast track, by providing more energy to invest in growing bigger brains.

"Cooking gives food energy," says Wrangham. It alters the structure of the food at the molecular level, making it easier for our body to break it up and extract the nutrients.

In plants, for example, much of the energy from starch is stored as amylopectin, which is semi-crystalline, does not dissolve in water, and cannot be easily digested. Heat starchy foods with water, though, and the crystalline forms begin to melt. The starch granules absorb water, swell, and eventually burst. The amylopectin is shattered into short starch molecules called amylose, which are easily digested by the enzyme amylase.

Cooking also makes meat more digestible. Proteins are like origami - complex, folded, three-dimensional structures that stomach acids and enzymes can't easily access. Heat unfolds the proteins, exposing them to enzymes that chop up the amino acids so they can be recycled into proteins the body needs.

To explore how much cooking ramps up the caloric potential of food, Wrangham teamed up with Stephen Secor, an expert in the physiology of digestion at the University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa. Secor tested the impact of cooking and grinding food on the ability of Burmese pythons to digest and absorb the nutrients. Pythons may sound like a strange choice, but they are useful models for studying digestion because they remain motionless for days after eating, making it easy to link changes in metabolism to the food they have eaten.

Secor fed the snakes one of four options: intact raw steak, intact cooked steak, ground raw steak or ground cooked steak. He found that cooking or grinding the meat reduced the cost of digestion by 12.7 per cent and 12.4 per cent respectively. When he fed the pythons steak that had been both ground and cooked, the combination lowered the amount of energy needed to digest the meal by 23.4 per cent.

"That's a significant decrease in the cost of digestion," says Secor. "It means that there are that many more calories that can be allocated to other activities, like glucose or fat storage."

In other experiments Secor tested the energy differences between cooked and raw carrots when fed to bearded dragons. Unlike pythons these lizards are omnivorous, which makes it possible to test the response of the digestive system when raised on a strictly herbivorous, carnivorous or omnivorous diet. By counting the number of chews the dragons took before swallowing the food, his preliminary findings suggest that the cooked carrots require only about half as many chews as the raw vegetable, which corresponds to more than a 40 per cent drop in the energy needed to chew.

A handful of human studies supports what has been discovered in animals. In the late 1990s, Pieter Evenepoel, now at University Hospital Leuven, in Belgium, labelled egg protein with radioactive isotopes and tracked it as it passed through the digestive tracts of human volunteers. One experiment involved giving 25 grams of cooked egg protein to five volunteers who had undergone an ileostomy, in which a loop of the small intestine is brought to the surface and faeces are collected in a bag. Later they gave the patients the same meal but this time the egg was raw. After the meals, the contents of the bag and the breath of the patients were examined for labelled nitrogen and carbon - the remnants of the digested protein. They found that 90 per cent of the cooked egg was digested compared to just 51 per cent of the raw egg (The Journal of Nutrition, vol 128, p 1716).

Yet despite these large variations in how much energy the body has at its disposal either to use or store, none of this is reflected in the food labelling system, which some say leaves the consumer in the dark about their dietary choices. "It's difficult to produce a meaningful, accurate estimate of the impact of food processing, so people have simply pushed that question aside... so far aside that most people in the public aren't even aware of it," says Wrangham.

So if food labels are giving consumers a potentially misleading picture of their dietary choices, what should be done about it?

For many nutritionists, the answer is nothing. While they acknowledge that the current system isn't perfect, many argue that sticking with the Atwater system makes it easy to calculate a ballpark calorie count. They also say that overhauling such a widely used system would require a huge amount of research in both animal models and human volunteers, plus a more complicated labelling system than consumers are used to, for little real public health benefit. "There will be errors, but not very serious errors, and nobody can do their calories anyway so what difference does it make?" says Marion Nestle, a nutritionist at New York University.
Calorie recount

Indeed, back in 2002, the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) assembled an international group of nutritionists, including Livesey, to investigate the possibility of recommending a change to food labelling standards to reflect the cost of digestion. The group, with the exception of Livesey, decided to stick with metabolisable energy for calculating nutrition labels on food products because, the report concluded, "the problems and burdens ensuing from such a change would appear to outweigh by far the benefits".

"We believe that metabolisable energy is a more accurate representation of what's in that food for everybody [and is] more accurate for the purposes of food labelling," says Janis Baines, a nutritionist at the regulatory agency Food Standards Australia New Zealand, in Canberra, who supports the FAO's decision.

Livesey, however, is convinced that the Atwater system needs to be revised to take into account the energy used to digest different foods - to provide updated values for protein and dietary fibre that reflect the cost of digestion.

Wrangham agrees, and suggests that in addition to making calorie counts more accurate for different foods, there could be a system describing roughly how many calories would be gained if you cooked a particular food in different ways. A steak, for example, may provide more available calories per serving if cooked well done, than if done medium-rare or served raw.

Even Livesey would not expect these adjustments to solve the obesity crisis, at least not on their own. Nevertheless, he believes correcting food labels to reflect the latest science will give the diet-conscious consumer the information they need to make the best kinds of dietary choices based on the latest scientific understanding of digestion. "The public should be able to apply the science," he says. "[And] if you're not following the science you're following something else".

Bijal Trivedi is a freelance science writer based in Washington DC

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327171.200-the-calorie-delusion-why-food-labels-are-wrong.html?full=true
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