Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle: August 2011

Monday, August 29, 2011

[fast5] Re: Fasting and endurance training

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Woody" <zen6c45@...> wrote:
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> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "jholbrook5@" <jholbrook5@> wrote:
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> > I was wondering if anyone else combines fasting and long distance running. I fast each day until 8pm. Each day I run 10 miles around 5pm on trails. On the weekend I run 20 to 30 miles on Saturday and 10 to 15 miles on Sunday. Both of those days I fast until an hour on the trail then begin my fueling. The only other person that I know that fast and competes in running is Nolan Shaheed.
> >
> I haven't but I saw a study that discusses this. I hope it's ok to
> post a link to it here.
>
> http://conditioningresearch.blogspot.com/2009/02/training-in-fasted-state-study-of.html
>Thanks for the link

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Saturday, August 27, 2011

[fast5] Re: Fasting and endurance training

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "jholbrook5@..." <jholbrook5@...> wrote:
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> I was wondering if anyone else combines fasting and long distance running. I fast each day until 8pm. Each day I run 10 miles around 5pm on trails. On the weekend I run 20 to 30 miles on Saturday and 10 to 15 miles on Sunday. Both of those days I fast until an hour on the trail then begin my fueling. The only other person that I know that fast and competes in running is Nolan Shaheed.
>
I haven't but I saw a study that discusses this. I hope it's ok to
post a link to it here.

http://conditioningresearch.blogspot.com/2009/02/training-in-fasted-state-study-of.html

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Friday, August 26, 2011

Re: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Interesting experiment!

My own experiment this week has to do with pickles ... I made some pickled asparagus, and have it around the afternoon as a snack. It doesn't have much of anything in the way of calories. Lots of vinegar though.

Anyway, for 3 days running, I just sort of "forgot to eat" until 8-9 pm! And then I really didn't care. This is not a taste thing ... the pickles are loaded with TASTE ... or calories, they don't have those either. They just quash the desire to eat.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:03 PM, RickS <no3rdseat@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I'm thinking that the eggs and sardines may have more to do with it than the oil. With just a meal of sardines, hard boiled eggs, and nori, I have no desire to over-eat or snack for the rest of the night - multiple nights in a row. Interesting...

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@...> wrote:
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> Last night, an hour after I downed the olive oil, I had 3 hard boiled eggs with a pat of butter on each one, a can of sardines in olive oil, and a sheet of nori. Not hungry at all for the rest of the night. Get this... not even a desire for beer or wine!! I'll try it again tonight but with a pound of goat chili to see if the eggs and fish may have had anything to do with it as Heather suggests... this is becoming interesting. :)
>
> -Rick
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@> wrote:
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> >
> > Just in case it was a fluke, I'm going to try it again tonight. Sometimes I can eat small quantities one night, but the next day I'm ravenous. Tonight I'll have the oil and water, wait and hour, and then have the same meal as I had last night and see if I'm not hungry afterward. I'll report back tomorrow on how I feel. Wish me luck!
> >
> > -Rick
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Thursday, August 25, 2011

[fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

OK, I'm thinking that the eggs and sardines may have more to do with it than the oil. With just a meal of sardines, hard boiled eggs, and nori, I have no desire to over-eat or snack for the rest of the night - multiple nights in a row. Interesting...

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@...> wrote:
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> Last night, an hour after I downed the olive oil, I had 3 hard boiled eggs with a pat of butter on each one, a can of sardines in olive oil, and a sheet of nori. Not hungry at all for the rest of the night. Get this... not even a desire for beer or wine!! I'll try it again tonight but with a pound of goat chili to see if the eggs and fish may have had anything to do with it as Heather suggests... this is becoming interesting. :)
>
> -Rick
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@> wrote:
>
> >
> > Just in case it was a fluke, I'm going to try it again tonight. Sometimes I can eat small quantities one night, but the next day I'm ravenous. Tonight I'll have the oil and water, wait and hour, and then have the same meal as I had last night and see if I'm not hungry afterward. I'll report back tomorrow on how I feel. Wish me luck!
> >
> > -Rick
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[fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

I just got on the forum again as I was ignoring it but have been pretty well maintaining my weight loss from using Fast 5. I did modify fast five but I do not drink oil. What I do is use peanuts as a way of snacking outside of the main meal of the day. This seems to work for me very well. Peanuts have the added benefit to be loaded with fiber. I like them very much too which is maybe not a positive but I can stick to them and they are available wherever I go. I tend to just use the regular planters ones or even walmart ones.

Sometimes I use mixed nuts but most of the time I use peanuts because they are cheaper.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, de Vie <de_vie@...> wrote:
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> Do any of you have personal experience with "The Shangri-La Diet"? This
> could be done at the same time as Fast-5, and alternatively the author (not
> referencing Fast-5 though) said he ends up usually eating one meal a day as
> a result (i.e. the two are potentially complementary/in-sync). The main
> idea of it is to add high-quality flavorless (or nose-clipped) oil
> IN-BETWEEN meals/flavors - or once a day - and that this easily reduces
> appetite. It's really fascinating.
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Friday, August 19, 2011

Re: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Ohh, thanks for that! Sounds like a great recipe and I DO love chili!

It'll be interesting to see the results of your experimenting. Like I said, various substances eaten prior to a meal DO help people not overeat; I don't think it's even controversial. Whether or not taste has to do with it might be controversial. I will say though, that it's unlikely you'll overeat on your "snack" if it is just straight olive oil. Or sugar water (sugar water worked for him too).

Foods with iron in them are easier to overeat, in my observation. Iron makes people more insulin resistant, which might be part of it? Or the body craves iron like it craves salt sometimes? Brown sugar is way more easy to overeat than white sugar is.

But chili interferes with iron, so it throws another variable into the mix. And of course chili tastes really good!

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:26 AM, RickS <no3rdseat@gmail.com> wrote:

Hiya Heather-

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:

> Well, goat chili contains beans I think? Beans are a great appetite stopper
> also: slow-digesting fiber.

I make my chili with only meat, spices and a jalapeno or habanero. No tomatoes, beans, or anything else. Here's my parts list:

One pound of any ground meat (goat, bison, cow, sheep),
1 tbsp chili powder,
1 tbsp cumin,
1 tbsp paprika,
1 tsp ground cinnamon,
1 tsp unsweetened cocoa powder
1/4 tsp sea salt,
One jalapeno, diced,
One 12oz beer

> The protein in the goat too. Protein is known as
> an appetite-stopper (although like I said, eggs and fish seem to be the most
> efficient: I don't know about goat, I haven't had it but once). Seems like
> you keep picking really healthy appetite stoppers!

I've read that protein is a good appetite suppressant because it fills the belly and digest slowly. But that doesn't seem to be the case with me. I can eat a WHOLE rack of ribs (plain, no sauce) and still be starved. I've also read that fat is a good appetite suppressant. Similarly, I can eat a WHOLE rack of ribs and a half stick of butter with a cup of coffee filled with heavy cream and still be hungry!

This is why it's so bizarre that I could eat three eggs, a can of sardines, and a sheet of nori and be full. :)

Last night I had the oil and water, waited an hour, had my goat chili and later found myself snacking on potato chips and beer. It wasn't an uncontrollable craving. It was more that my wife was eating chips so I grabbed a couple handfuls. But I was able to easily stop and not finish the whole bag. Was that a result of the oil and water? I dunno.

I'm really encouraged though by your assessment that there's something about eggs and fish that can control the appetite. Tonight I might make the chili again, but leave out the salt. Tomorrow, I'm going to try the eggs and sardines again and see what happens. Then again, as far as the salt goes, I have been putting salt and salted butter on my eggs. Hmmmm...

> I don't know much about the diet, but if it's about *taste*, how about
> eating something bland that is NOT an appetite stopper? Maybe the ultimate
> test would be a plain cracker or simple bread, with no salt. (according to
> the writup, the Shangri-la diet includes ANY foods?).

Yep, that's what they say. I can't eat gluten containing foods so the cracker/bread thing is out. And I'm allergic to A1 beta-casein so I can't eat my beloved cheese. I have found that I can eat goat or sheep cheese because the casein is different (A1 vs A2). If I eat cow cheese, my seasonal allergies are miserable. If I eat no cheese or small mammal cheese my seasonal allergies are non-existent.

>
> BTW, my own theories on why Fast-5 works is that I think it changes your gut
> health. Having a nice period with no food, the gut can do "house cleaning"
> and change the bacterial mix, which also affects iron absorption The cells
> get loaded with iron and they slough off during house-cleaning maybe? And
> the new cells can then work better, preventing overload in the next meal.

I agree. There's just SO much good science pointing to better health by allowing your gut to rest.

-Rick

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RE: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Thank you Rick…I appreciate it. I just found out and don’t know yet how to treat it but it sure explains why I feel the way I do and why I have a list of symptoms that seems never ending despite a clean diet, IF, removing toxins, etc.

Hope your dog is ok.

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RickS
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:03 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Oh no! I hope you're getting proper treatment for it. We just took my dog to the vet for shots (can't kennel him without shots) and the vet says he has Lyme's disease. Not so much a problem in dogs, but people can really get messed up by that little bugger. I wish you the best with it. Let us know how the oil and water thing goes.

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Kristina Carlton" <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Rick - that is me. I can eat TONS of meat and fat and still be hungry.
> However, I just found out I have Lyme's disease and have read that it can
> affect the brain so the hunger signal is messed up leading to either no
> hunger at all (wish I had that one) or insatiable hunger.

>
> I am going to try the oil and water 1 hour prior to eating my meal but have
> a feeling it won't help in my case.

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[fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

I'd like to hear how you make out. I'm going to go look up the Metabolic Diet. Thanks.

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, andy030144@... wrote:
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> You know, that DiPasquale guy, author of the Metabolic diet said to do that in his book and I never tried it. I'm gonna give it a go. Thanks! Andy
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[fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Kristina Carlton" <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:
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> Wow Rick - that is me. I can eat TONS of meat and fat and still be hungry.
> However, I just found out I have Lyme's disease and have read that it can
> affect the brain so the hunger signal is messed up leading to either no
> hunger at all (wish I had that one) or insatiable hunger.

>
> I am going to try the oil and water 1 hour prior to eating my meal but have
> a feeling it won't help in my case.

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[fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

You know, that DiPasquale guy, author of the Metabolic diet said to do that in his book and I never tried it. I'm gonna give it a go. Thanks! Andy

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RE: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Wow Rick – that is me. I can eat TONS of meat and fat and still be hungry. However, I just found out I have Lyme’s disease and have read that it can affect the brain so the hunger signal is messed up leading to either no hunger at all (wish I had that one) or insatiable hunger.

I am going to try the oil and water 1 hour prior to eating my meal but have a feeling it won’t help in my case.

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RickS
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:27 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Hiya Heather-

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:

> Well, goat chili contains beans I think? Beans are a great appetite stopper
> also: slow-digesting fiber.

I make my chili with only meat, spices and a jalapeno or habanero. No tomatoes, beans, or anything else. Here's my parts list:

One pound of any ground meat (goat, bison, cow, sheep),
1 tbsp chili powder,
1 tbsp cumin,
1 tbsp paprika,
1 tsp ground cinnamon,
1 tsp unsweetened cocoa powder
1/4 tsp sea salt,
One jalapeno, diced,
One 12oz beer

> The protein in the goat too. Protein is known as
> an appetite-stopper (although like I said, eggs and fish seem to be the most
> efficient: I don't know about goat, I haven't had it but once). Seems like
> you keep picking really healthy appetite stoppers!

I've read that protein is a good appetite suppressant because it fills the belly and digest slowly. But that doesn't seem to be the case with me. I can eat a WHOLE rack of ribs (plain, no sauce) and still be starved. I've also read that fat is a good appetite suppressant. Similarly, I can eat a WHOLE rack of ribs and a half stick of butter with a cup of coffee filled with heavy cream and still be hungry!

This is why it's so bizarre that I could eat three eggs, a can of sardines, and a sheet of nori and be full. :)

Last night I had the oil and water, waited an hour, had my goat chili and later found myself snacking on potato chips and beer. It wasn't an uncontrollable craving. It was more that my wife was eating chips so I grabbed a couple handfuls. But I was able to easily stop and not finish the whole bag. Was that a result of the oil and water? I dunno.

I'm really encouraged though by your assessment that there's something about eggs and fish that can control the appetite. Tonight I might make the chili again, but leave out the salt. Tomorrow, I'm going to try the eggs and sardines again and see what happens. Then again, as far as the salt goes, I have been putting salt and salted butter on my eggs. Hmmmm...

> I don't know much about the diet, but if it's about *taste*, how about
> eating something bland that is NOT an appetite stopper? Maybe the ultimate
> test would be a plain cracker or simple bread, with no salt. (according to
> the writup, the Shangri-la diet includes ANY foods?).

Yep, that's what they say. I can't eat gluten containing foods so the cracker/bread thing is out. And I'm allergic to A1 beta-casein so I can't eat my beloved cheese. I have found that I can eat goat or sheep cheese because the casein is different (A1 vs A2). If I eat cow cheese, my seasonal allergies are miserable. If I eat no cheese or small mammal cheese my seasonal allergies are non-existent.

>
> BTW, my own theories on why Fast-5 works is that I think it changes your gut
> health. Having a nice period with no food, the gut can do "house cleaning"
> and change the bacterial mix, which also affects iron absorption The cells
> get loaded with iron and they slough off during house-cleaning maybe? And
> the new cells can then work better, preventing overload in the next meal.

I agree. There's just SO much good science pointing to better health by allowing your gut to rest.

-Rick

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[fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Hiya Heather-

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:

> Well, goat chili contains beans I think? Beans are a great appetite stopper
> also: slow-digesting fiber.

I make my chili with only meat, spices and a jalapeno or habanero. No tomatoes, beans, or anything else. Here's my parts list:

One pound of any ground meat (goat, bison, cow, sheep),
1 tbsp chili powder,
1 tbsp cumin,
1 tbsp paprika,
1 tsp ground cinnamon,
1 tsp unsweetened cocoa powder
1/4 tsp sea salt,
One jalapeno, diced,
One 12oz beer

> The protein in the goat too. Protein is known as
> an appetite-stopper (although like I said, eggs and fish seem to be the most
> efficient: I don't know about goat, I haven't had it but once). Seems like
> you keep picking really healthy appetite stoppers!

I've read that protein is a good appetite suppressant because it fills the belly and digest slowly. But that doesn't seem to be the case with me. I can eat a WHOLE rack of ribs (plain, no sauce) and still be starved. I've also read that fat is a good appetite suppressant. Similarly, I can eat a WHOLE rack of ribs and a half stick of butter with a cup of coffee filled with heavy cream and still be hungry!

This is why it's so bizarre that I could eat three eggs, a can of sardines, and a sheet of nori and be full. :)

Last night I had the oil and water, waited an hour, had my goat chili and later found myself snacking on potato chips and beer. It wasn't an uncontrollable craving. It was more that my wife was eating chips so I grabbed a couple handfuls. But I was able to easily stop and not finish the whole bag. Was that a result of the oil and water? I dunno.

I'm really encouraged though by your assessment that there's something about eggs and fish that can control the appetite. Tonight I might make the chili again, but leave out the salt. Tomorrow, I'm going to try the eggs and sardines again and see what happens. Then again, as far as the salt goes, I have been putting salt and salted butter on my eggs. Hmmmm...

> I don't know much about the diet, but if it's about *taste*, how about
> eating something bland that is NOT an appetite stopper? Maybe the ultimate
> test would be a plain cracker or simple bread, with no salt. (according to
> the writup, the Shangri-la diet includes ANY foods?).

Yep, that's what they say. I can't eat gluten containing foods so the cracker/bread thing is out. And I'm allergic to A1 beta-casein so I can't eat my beloved cheese. I have found that I can eat goat or sheep cheese because the casein is different (A1 vs A2). If I eat cow cheese, my seasonal allergies are miserable. If I eat no cheese or small mammal cheese my seasonal allergies are non-existent.

>
> BTW, my own theories on why Fast-5 works is that I think it changes your gut
> health. Having a nice period with no food, the gut can do "house cleaning"
> and change the bacterial mix, which also affects iron absorption The cells
> get loaded with iron and they slough off during house-cleaning maybe? And
> the new cells can then work better, preventing overload in the next meal.

I agree. There's just SO much good science pointing to better health by allowing your gut to rest.

-Rick

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RE: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

OK, thank you.

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RickS
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:51 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

The author of this diet recommends that you take your weight in lbs, double it, and use that number as a guide for the number of calories of oil to eat. So if I weigh 170, double it, that makes 340 calories worth of oil. That's around 3tbsp. I don't see why animal fat wouldn't work, as long as it has no scent.

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Kristina Carlton" <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:
>
> How much oil do you consume?
>
> Does it have to be olive oil or could it be animal fat?
>
>
>
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> RickS
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:49 AM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"
>
>
>
>
>
> Last night, an hour after I downed the olive oil, I had 3 hard boiled eggs
> with a pat of butter on each one, a can of sardines in olive oil, and a
> sheet of nori. Not hungry at all for the rest of the night. Get this... not
> even a desire for beer or wine!! I'll try it again tonight but with a pound
> of goat chili to see if the eggs and fish may have had anything to do with
> it as Heather suggests... this is becoming interesting. :)
>
> -Rick
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com> , "RickS"
> <no3rdseat@> wrote:
>
> >
> > Just in case it was a fluke, I'm going to try it again tonight. Sometimes
> I can eat small quantities one night, but the next day I'm ravenous. Tonight
> I'll have the oil and water, wait and hour, and then have the same meal as I
> had last night and see if I'm not hungry afterward. I'll report back
> tomorrow on how I feel. Wish me luck!
> >
> > -Rick
>

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-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Kristina Carlton" <kristina.carlton@...> wrote:
>
> How much oil do you consume?
>
> Does it have to be olive oil or could it be animal fat?
>
>
>
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> RickS
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:49 AM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"
>
>
>
>
>
> Last night, an hour after I downed the olive oil, I had 3 hard boiled eggs
> with a pat of butter on each one, a can of sardines in olive oil, and a
> sheet of nori. Not hungry at all for the rest of the night. Get this... not
> even a desire for beer or wine!! I'll try it again tonight but with a pound
> of goat chili to see if the eggs and fish may have had anything to do with
> it as Heather suggests... this is becoming interesting. :)
>
> -Rick
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com> , "RickS"
> <no3rdseat@> wrote:
>
> >
> > Just in case it was a fluke, I'm going to try it again tonight. Sometimes
> I can eat small quantities one night, but the next day I'm ravenous. Tonight
> I'll have the oil and water, wait and hour, and then have the same meal as I
> had last night and see if I'm not hungry afterward. I'll report back
> tomorrow on how I feel. Wish me luck!
> >
> > -Rick
>

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Thursday, August 18, 2011

Re: [fast5] Beans Re: The 4 Hour Body

It's an interesting question, and I don't think anyone has the complete answer. On one hand, you MUST feed the colonic bacteria to have them produce butyrate, which is what the gut wants.

OTOH, it does seem to be the case that some people are colonized with pretty bad bacteria, and feeding them just makes the person feel worse (based on anecdotal evidence and books like SCD).

So I can't really say. I do know I got a bit "gassy" the first day or three taking konjac. However, konjac is also known to kill some of the bad bacteria, so maybe it did that. I haven't actually heard of bad reactions from people taking it, after the first few days.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Kristina Carlton <kristina.carlton@gmail.com> wrote:

Won't it feed bad bacteria?

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RE: [fast5] Beans Re: The 4 Hour Body

Won't it feed bad bacteria?

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelamom25
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:47 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fast5] Beans Re: The 4 Hour Body

how do you use it? do you use it once a day, several times a day? which time is best?

thanks so much!!:)

From: Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Beans Re: The 4 Hour Body

I do love my konjac. It's pretty much stabilized my gut. It lets the bacteria in your

gut make butyrate, which is just really healing stuff (there was a recent bit about

how butyrate all by itself is an anti-inflammatory. It is also an appetite suppressant,

although as per a previous post, fish and eggs do that pretty nicely too.

I think konjac is all pretty much the same. I do get the konjac powder (often

called "konjac flour"). Buying the noodles or pills cost more. I mix the konjac

with psyllium, which makes it dissolve better. I got mine from miraclenoodles.com,

but it's available at other places too.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 5:51 AM, angi <angelamom25@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi, if you see this, could you tell me what konjac you use? do you still use it? is it still helping? i am going to try it, and want to get a good one:)
thanks
angi

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:00 AM, angi <angelamom25@...> wrote:
>
> > what have you been doing to work out having a happy gut? I have been
> > trying things as well. For me eating fiber one cereal once a day has helped
> > me greatly, as well as taking a probiotic(a good one). I would love some
> > more ideas:)
> > thanks
> > angi
> >
>
> Well, it's been a 10-year journey, so it's a little hard to summarize in
> one post. But the Cliff notes version goes something like:
>
> 1. Went totally gluten-free (I never was much of a bread-eater, but I got
> rid of ALL the gluten in the house and stopped drinking beer).
>
> 2. Went on probiotics (made our own kefir etc: kefir is a great probiotic!).
>
> 3. Stopped eating dairy (this had more to do with migraines than my gut).
>
> 4. Started taking bentonite clay in small amounts with each meal.
>
> 5. Went on Fast-5.
>
> 6. Started taking konjac/psyllium with each meal.
>
> 7. Switched from a beef-based to fish/egg/chicken based diet.
>
> At each of these steps there were improvements in my health ... at this
> point,
> at 57, I actually feel younger than I did at 30!
>
> Losing gluten was a huge step. But it changed everything, including my
> perspective on life and food. It's becoming a fad now, but at the time,
> my relatives practically disowned me.
>
> Probiotics did wonders for our family, but at the point we started with them
> (1998 I
> think) they were very expensive and cost $150/month for everyone to take
> them,
> so I went for kefir instead. Which worked as well or better, plus it's fun
> to make.
>
> Dairy seems to have been the cause of my lifelong migraines, though
> I don't know why. It also seems to cause urinary issues for me. So I
> don't miss it. I use the kefir grains to make cider, which has about the
> same probiotic effect without the casein.
>
> Bentonite works, but I was concerned about the amount of iron in the brand
> I was taking. I'm not sure the iron is actually absorbed much, but it might
> be
> an issue for some people.
>
> Fast-5 probably saved my digestion. At the time I started, I wasn't having
> major gut problems (the previous steps fixed most of those) but I couldn't
> digest a lot of foods, and got supremely hungry all the time. It is very
> difficult eating many small meals and also being gluten-free! But when
> things like fats started making me queasy, it got even harder. After
> starting
> Fast-5, I can eat pretty much anything that doesn't have gluten or casein
> in
> it.
>
> I still had 6-12 BM's a day though. When I started konjac, THAT stopped
> and now it's just once a day, like clockwork. Nice.
>
> Now I'm experimenting more with a Japanese-style diet: more vegies, more
> fish/eggs/poultry, more stuff like sata-imo yams and beans and seaweed.
> Semi-digestible polysaccharides, which the Japanese eat a lot of. They
> seem to make me feel more "satiated" and calm. Also my joints are less
> "cracky" and my skin not so dry. My blood pressure and blood sugar
> have been going down too (fish are known for doing that, so is vinegar,
> and the Japanese diet has plenty of both). There are lots of other variables
> in this kind of diet, including ginger, turmeric, wasabi, umiboshi plums,
> seaweed, garlic, hot peppers, fermented cabbage ... all of which are very
> active at a biological level.
>
> I am nothing like an expert on Japanese cuisine, so anyone who
> actually grew up in Japan would probably laugh at my food choices!
> Plus I borrow liberally from Korean and Vietnamese and Hawaiian
> cuisines.
>
> It tastes really great though and it's an easy way to eat. I was inspired by
> the book "Japanese women don't get old or fat" ... the book never really
> goes into WHY the Japanese diet might do that (they concentrate mainly
> on cultural variables like, "stop eating when you are not quite full").
> From a scientific perspective though, the folks in those Pacific Rim
> countries seem to have done really well health-wise as long as they
> stay away from European food. Active, healthy old folks! When I look
> at my Mom, I'm very motivated to NOT do what she did, although she
> is in far better shape than most folks in their late 80's.
>
> I've also been working to lower my iron levels ... high blood ferritin
> levels are associated with diabetes and heart disease, which run in
> our family (as does high ferritin, it seems, even though we don't have
> the hemochromatosis gene). The Japanese diet is by nature low in
> absorbable iron, which might be one reason it works. I think iron messes
> up your gut too ... the gut cells absorb the iron until it's needed, then
> shed it. But in the meantime, it changes the bacterial mix in the gut,
> since some bacteria LOVE iron and they overgrow, plus it is
> irritating and promotes oxidation. Fiber in the diet, and stuff like tannins
> and vinegar, tend to block the iron and change the bacterial mix.
> Some cuisines block or chelate iron: some promote absorption, and the
> Standard American Diet is the latter type.
>
>
>
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You need to have the right enzymes and bacteria to digest them. Not all
> > > people do. Ditto for milk, meat, fruit and pretty much everything else. I
> > > have
> > > to say though, that since I've been working out "having a happy gut",
> > beans
> > > are fine now. The non-bean-tolerant folks I know seem to do ok with them
> > > by taking beano.
> > >
> > > Also beans are not all alike. Peruanos are way easier to digest ... and
> > to
> > > cook ...
> > > than the usual Pintos. If you soak them for a day or two, they work
> > better
> > > also. Lentils and garbanzos are even easier.
> > >
> > > Beans are one of those few things I tend to crave. Usually on a salad
> > > (along
> > > with roasted nuts: something that is problematic for a lot of people) or
> > as
> > > hummous.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:56 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Beans give me terrible cramps. When I went on the paleo diet, I was so
> > > > happy to stop eating beans. YUK !!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>

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RE: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

How much oil do you consume?

Does it have to be olive oil or could it be animal fat?

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RickS
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:49 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Last night, an hour after I downed the olive oil, I had 3 hard boiled eggs with a pat of butter on each one, a can of sardines in olive oil, and a sheet of nori. Not hungry at all for the rest of the night. Get this... not even a desire for beer or wine!! I'll try it again tonight but with a pound of goat chili to see if the eggs and fish may have had anything to do with it as Heather suggests... this is becoming interesting. :)

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@...> wrote:

>
> Just in case it was a fluke, I'm going to try it again tonight. Sometimes I can eat small quantities one night, but the next day I'm ravenous. Tonight I'll have the oil and water, wait and hour, and then have the same meal as I had last night and see if I'm not hungry afterward. I'll report back tomorrow on how I feel. Wish me luck!
>
> -Rick

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Re: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

BTW, reading about the diet again ... he is also into one meal a day, and eating something before the meal. In general, I think that is a great idea. Pretty much any oil or sugar will help you eat less, because of the time lag there is between "starting to eat" and when your gut actually knows it's been fed.

Starting a meal with a salad works nicely too, esp. if there is vinegar in it. Or drinking vinegar in water before a meal (that was really effective in some studies, yogurt too). Probably using oil or sugar is easier for people to do. I haven't seen any really good explanations about WHY the pre-feeding works but it does seem to work with several foods.

I don't think it works though, which something like, say, the sourdough bread or tortilla chips that they serve before a meal in restaurants, which might say something about the mechanism. Bread or tortilla chips have more calories and plenty of fat, and really not all that much taste, but they don't seem to stop an appetite (certainly not mine when I go out for Mexican!).

Anyway, the geek in me would want to disassociate the theories about "taste" from "eating before a meal" from "eating appetite-suppressing foods". I think there are completely different mechanisms involved. Good experiments in any case!

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:49 AM, RickS <no3rdseat@gmail.com> wrote:

Last night, an hour after I downed the olive oil, I had 3 hard boiled eggs with a pat of butter on each one, a can of sardines in olive oil, and a sheet of nori. Not hungry at all for the rest of the night. Get this... not even a desire for beer or wine!! I'll try it again tonight but with a pound of goat chili to see if the eggs and fish may have had anything to do with it as Heather suggests... this is becoming interesting. :)

-Rick

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Re: [fast5] Beans Re: The 4 Hour Body

yes, i have been gluten free for 6 months now as well, and it has made a difference. still some occasional issues, so, that is why I am still looking! thanks for the info you have given!! :)

From: Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@gmail.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Beans Re: The 4 Hour Body

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:47 AM, angelamom25 <angelamom25@yahoo.com> wrote:

how do you use it? do you use it once a day, several times a day? which time is best?

thanks so much!!:)

I'd say, experiment! I make a mix of 1/4 konjac, 3/4 psyllium, store it in a jar. Add 1 tsp. of that mix to a cup of water. Sprinkle it on top so it doesn't clump, and drink fairly quickly (or it turns to goo). If I take that first thing in the morning, I don't have any real desire to snack, and it stabilizes my gut (like, everything becomes normal: no gas, no diarrhea, no nothing).

Some people take it 15 minutes before a meal, so they eat less, and it also makes you digest your food better (in some studies: it slows down motility so your digestive enzymes can do a more thorough job, and you are full for a longer period of time). I did that for some time, but I get full rather quickly in any case these days, and I don't have a digestion problem anymore, so I tend to forget to take it.

Konjac is used in Asia to make desserts, and it's used as a thickener commercially. Noodles are made of it too. It doesn't appear to cause any bad side effects, unless you try to swallow a big clump of it and choke (it needs to be in water, or chewed well if it's a dessert).

As a disclaimer, I'm also on a gluten-free diet. Gluten seems to mess up people's gut a lot: for some people, so does dairy. So if someone has gut issues, I'd probably suggest dropping gluten and dairy, and taking konjac ... if that clears things up, experiment and see which item makes the most difference. For me, dropping gluten and dairy made a HUGE difference, but my gut never did heal completely until I added Fast-5 and konjac.

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Re: [fast5] Re: "The Shangri-La Diet"

Well, goat chili contains beans I think? Beans are a great appetite stopper also: slow-digesting fiber. The protein in the goat too. Protein is known as an appetite-stopper (although like I said, eggs and fish seem to be the most efficient: I don't know about goat, I haven't had it but once). Seems like you keep picking really healthy appetite stoppers!

I don't know much about the diet, but if it's about *taste*, how about eating something bland that is NOT an appetite stopper? Maybe the ultimate test would be a plain cracker or simple bread, with no salt. (according to the writup, the Shangri-la diet includes ANY foods?).

And on the other side, make something fish and/or eggs, but lots of good tastes. (Thai food!).

The goat vs. fish experiment will be interesting though. One of my theories is that mammal meat has either neu5gc or something different about how heme iron is absorbed, which mess with the metabolism. Iron is known to mess with insulin resistance, and it is over-absorbed in some foods apparently. This could be because of mammal meat (eating "red meat" is associated with high iron levels: fish is not) or because of iron-added foods (most starches in the US). Chili powder though, interferes with iron absorption, so that might make the goat meat NOT an appetite inducer in terms of iron absorption.

BTW, my own theories on why Fast-5 works is that I think it changes your gut health. Having a nice period with no food, the gut can do "house cleaning" and change the bacterial mix, which also affects iron absorption The cells get loaded with iron and they slough off during house-cleaning maybe? And the new cells can then work better, preventing overload in the next meal.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:49 AM, RickS <no3rdseat@gmail.com> wrote:

Last night, an hour after I downed the olive oil, I had 3 hard boiled eggs with a pat of butter on each one, a can of sardines in olive oil, and a sheet of nori. Not hungry at all for the rest of the night. Get this... not even a desire for beer or wine!! I'll try it again tonight but with a pound of goat chili to see if the eggs and fish may have had anything to do with it as Heather suggests... this is becoming interesting. :)

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@...> wrote:

>
> Just in case it was a fluke, I'm going to try it again tonight. Sometimes I can eat small quantities one night, but the next day I'm ravenous. Tonight I'll have the oil and water, wait and hour, and then have the same meal as I had last night and see if I'm not hungry afterward. I'll report back tomorrow on how I feel. Wish me luck!
>
> -Rick

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:47 AM, angelamom25 <angelamom25@yahoo.com> wrote:

how do you use it? do you use it once a day, several times a day? which time is best?

thanks so much!!:)

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-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <no3rdseat@...> wrote:

>
> Just in case it was a fluke, I'm going to try it again tonight. Sometimes I can eat small quantities one night, but the next day I'm ravenous. Tonight I'll have the oil and water, wait and hour, and then have the same meal as I had last night and see if I'm not hungry afterward. I'll report back tomorrow on how I feel. Wish me luck!
>
> -Rick