Thursday, September 30, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Third Day....STARVING!



I went cold turkey. It was the most natural for me. I didn't have any of the issues others have had with it. Been doing it since april 1 this year. Dropped 30+ lbs and 3 pant sizes.

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Thanks for the tips. I just drank like a liter of water and am starting to feel a little better. I'm going to try to tough it out, no cheating or halfway steps. I figure that way I'll get through the worst of it quicker instead of prolonging the struggle. Kind of like diving right into the cold water instead of inching your way in.

I'm wondering what others did? Did you start gradually or just go cold turkey?

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> If worst comes to worst, try eating a celery stick or other raw vegie. A lot
> of us came to this through the "Warrior Diet", which allows raw fruits and
> vegies during the day ... but eventually you don't want them during the day.
> It's a decent "halfway step", kind of like moving your breakfast back and
> hour each day. Meat broth can help too, or hot lemon tea.
>
> It's pretty common for day 5 to be the worst, then it gets better. Maybe
> your worst day just came early!
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM, poopsie2223 <ellen@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > This is my third day on Fast 5. I started out pretty much cold turkey,
> > went right to fasting until 5pm. I was fine the first day, only a few
> > hunger pangs that lasted a short time and then abated. Better than fine
> > second day, barely hungry at all. But today I am starving! My tummy is
> > boinging and pinging and I'm starting to fantasize about food. The ebook
> > says the 3rd, 4th or 5th day would be the hardest, I am hoping that the 4th
> > and 5th aren't worse than this or I may not make it. Anyone have any
> > suggestions? I am drinking water until I am drowning. I also don't think
> > going back and starting over with a more gradual approach would help me, I
> > doubt I would stick to it long enough to get my window down to only 5 hours.
> > I feel like my only shot at this is going to tough out today (and maybe
> > tomorrow and the next day, too) and then it should start to get better.
> > Shouldn't it?????
> >
> > Ellen
> >
> >
> >
>



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[fast5] Re: Third Day....STARVING!

Thanks for the tips. I just drank like a liter of water and am starting to feel a little better. I'm going to try to tough it out, no cheating or halfway steps. I figure that way I'll get through the worst of it quicker instead of prolonging the struggle. Kind of like diving right into the cold water instead of inching your way in.

I'm wondering what others did? Did you start gradually or just go cold turkey?

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> If worst comes to worst, try eating a celery stick or other raw vegie. A lot
> of us came to this through the "Warrior Diet", which allows raw fruits and
> vegies during the day ... but eventually you don't want them during the day.
> It's a decent "halfway step", kind of like moving your breakfast back and
> hour each day. Meat broth can help too, or hot lemon tea.
>
> It's pretty common for day 5 to be the worst, then it gets better. Maybe
> your worst day just came early!
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM, poopsie2223 <ellen@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > This is my third day on Fast 5. I started out pretty much cold turkey,
> > went right to fasting until 5pm. I was fine the first day, only a few
> > hunger pangs that lasted a short time and then abated. Better than fine
> > second day, barely hungry at all. But today I am starving! My tummy is
> > boinging and pinging and I'm starting to fantasize about food. The ebook
> > says the 3rd, 4th or 5th day would be the hardest, I am hoping that the 4th
> > and 5th aren't worse than this or I may not make it. Anyone have any
> > suggestions? I am drinking water until I am drowning. I also don't think
> > going back and starting over with a more gradual approach would help me, I
> > doubt I would stick to it long enough to get my window down to only 5 hours.
> > I feel like my only shot at this is going to tough out today (and maybe
> > tomorrow and the next day, too) and then it should start to get better.
> > Shouldn't it?????
> >
> > Ellen
> >
> >
> >
>


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Re: [fast5] Re: Not eating enough?



Tea can be very irritating to your stomach. It also can be full of fluoride, which bothers some people. It is often heavily sprayed too, I hear. It's one reason I go for more of my own fresh herbal teas lately.


If tannins are the problem, then adding milk might help. Or drinking herbal teas. Mostly these days, when tea is served, they serve a wide variety of types though, which makes it easy!


On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Chantelle <chantelles@cox.net> wrote:


Speaking of tea, ihave a funny thing happen.....

There is something in tea that makes me throw up.......

Has anybody else ever heard of this? Could it be the tannins?

I first experienced it about 10 years ago and have had it happen several times since (I have never been a regular tea drinker, just sporadic, situational). So of course, over the past few years after trying various things I have finally given up on ever trying tea.......but I just find this so odd........

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Re: [fast5] Help.....please do not be nice !



Punishment (or being mean!) rarely works as a motivator. Human beings typically stay motivated because they get rewarded by something! I'm not ruthless or mean even to my kids, but I do work hard to get them going in the right direction and it's worked pretty darn well if I do say so myself (people keep saying how "well behaved" they are!). I don't harangue them, but I do put simple structures in place so they get rewarded for small steps.


So you might want to just ignore how "bad" (or stupid, selfish, lazy, or whatever) you think you are, and start thinking about some really cool goal you want to meet. And write it down, post it on the fridge, say it as a mantra. You go girl! You totally rock for getting up and trying this, today!

Or if you are going to start Monday, then start Monday. Every day you meet your goal, put a star on a calendar (it works, esp. those little stick on stars you got as a kid: somewhere we still have a little kid brain). Don't use "weight" as a goal, because it fluctuates in ways that aren't directly controllable by you. You can't control your weight. You CAN control what and when you eat.

When there is a social issue involved though, I've found salads work. It's a holdover from my Warrior Diet days ... raw vegies don't really send your blood sugar in weird directions to make you hungry later, and no one thinks twice of someone ordering a salad for lunch these days. For business lunches, I can't actually just sit there and eat nothing, and clients aren't really wanting to hear about my dietary issues.



On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Lesley Taylor <lesleytaylor6112@yahoo.com> wrote:


Thank you for your reply Nikki.  I agree with you totally about how this is down to us.  I am amazed at the years of dieting and self sabotage that I have put upon myself - when things start to go in the right direction I just go right in there and blow it!  A counsellor once told me that I am acutally fearful of losing weight and that I use my fat as a form of protection.  I have acknowledged this for many years now but still don't know how to get over the hurdle of losing weight and not being scared to do so.
 
Tomorrow I will be spending 4 days with a group of very close friends and as much as I know that they would completely understand if I were to explain to them that I only eat once a day, I will still put "starting again" off until after the weekend.  There is absoloutley no reason why I can not start now......this very minute.  This is where I can see that I am just very selfish and want everything my own way, I expect rewards for not trying and then spend weeks wallowing in my own self pity and writing to a chat group to justify what I am "not" doing. 
 
Maybe all you fast 5 groupers will do me a great big favour and tell me a few home truths.......no pity please.......be ruthless!!!!


 

 


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Re: [fast5] Third Day....STARVING!

Also, don't be afraid to eat something. Dr H is pretty clear that discomfort is one thing, but self-torture is another thing altogether. Be mindful and pay attention to how you're feeling. The first few days were challenging for me, but I wasn't physically miserable. I've been doing this for most of the last eighteen months, and sometimes, if you feel truly debilitated, its better to take in a little nourishment.

The point for me is to listen to your body so that you really do understand the difference between limbic and somatic hunger signals. Its not an automatic process. You'll continuously improve your ability to self-listen.

Linda Eichblatt <linda.eichblatt@gmail.com> wrote:

>HUNGER IS NEVER AN EMERGENCY. If you do something else, or go to sleep, it
>is gone the next morning. Thirst, bleeding, choking -- these things are
>emergencies. Not hunger.
>
>Linda in Cowtown
>
>On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:44 AM, poopsie2223 <ellen@ellenmikesell.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is my third day on Fast 5. I started out pretty much cold turkey, went
>> right to fasting until 5pm. I was fine the first day, only a few hunger
>> pangs that lasted a short time and then abated. Better than fine second day,
>> barely hungry at all. But today I am starving! My tummy is boinging and
>> pinging and I'm starting to fantasize about food. The ebook says the 3rd,
>> 4th or 5th day would be the hardest, I am hoping that the 4th and 5th aren't
>> worse than this or I may not make it. Anyone have any suggestions? I am
>> drinking water until I am drowning. I also don't think going back and
>> starting over with a more gradual approach would help me, I doubt I would
>> stick to it long enough to get my window down to only 5 hours. I feel like
>> my only shot at this is going to tough out today (and maybe tomorrow and the
>> next day, too) and then it should start to get better. Shouldn't it?????
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>--
>Regards,
>Linda Eichblatt


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Re: [fast5] Eating more than once a day



I used to eat throughout the window. But then I just started getting full faster. It's not that I'm limited to one meal ... I just *can't* eat after that one meal.



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From reading the posts, it seems like most of you only eat once a day. Is that more recommended than say eating a couple of lighter meals with a snack in between as long as you get it in th 5 hour period? I am doing the Dash Diet now and there are a few things that I have to eat every day but I don't see how I'd be able to get them all in in one meal. Do you think Fast-5 works as well if you eat more than once?



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Re: [fast5] Third Day....STARVING!



If worst comes to worst, try eating a celery stick or other raw vegie. A lot of us came to this through the "Warrior Diet", which allows raw fruits and vegies during the day ... but eventually you don't want them during the day. It's a decent "halfway step", kind of like moving your breakfast back and hour each day. Meat broth can help too, or hot lemon tea.


It's pretty common for day 5 to be the worst, then it gets better. Maybe your worst day just came early!


On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM, poopsie2223 <ellen@ellenmikesell.com> wrote:

This is my third day on Fast 5.  I started out pretty much cold turkey, went right to fasting until 5pm.  I was fine the first day, only a few hunger pangs that lasted a short time and then abated.  Better than fine second day, barely hungry at all.  But today I am starving!  My tummy is boinging and pinging and I'm starting to fantasize about food.  The ebook says the 3rd, 4th or 5th day would be the hardest, I am hoping that the 4th and 5th aren't worse than this or I may not make it.  Anyone have any suggestions?  I am drinking water until I am drowning.  I also don't think going back and starting over with a more gradual approach would help me, I doubt I would stick to it long enough to get my window down to only 5 hours.   I feel like my only shot at this is going to tough out today (and maybe tomorrow and the next day, too) and then it should start to get better.  Shouldn't it?????

Ellen


 
 


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Re: [fast5] Third Day....STARVING!



HUNGER IS NEVER AN EMERGENCY.  If you do something else, or go to sleep, it is gone the next morning.  Thirst, bleeding, choking -- these things are emergencies.  Not hunger. 
 
Linda in Cowtown

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:44 AM, poopsie2223 <ellen@ellenmikesell.com> wrote:
 


This is my third day on Fast 5. I started out pretty much cold turkey, went right to fasting until 5pm. I was fine the first day, only a few hunger pangs that lasted a short time and then abated. Better than fine second day, barely hungry at all. But today I am starving! My tummy is boinging and pinging and I'm starting to fantasize about food. The ebook says the 3rd, 4th or 5th day would be the hardest, I am hoping that the 4th and 5th aren't worse than this or I may not make it. Anyone have any suggestions? I am drinking water until I am drowning. I also don't think going back and starting over with a more gradual approach would help me, I doubt I would stick to it long enough to get my window down to only 5 hours. I feel like my only shot at this is going to tough out today (and maybe tomorrow and the next day, too) and then it should start to get better. Shouldn't it?????

Ellen




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[fast5] Third Day....STARVING!

This is my third day on Fast 5. I started out pretty much cold turkey, went right to fasting until 5pm. I was fine the first day, only a few hunger pangs that lasted a short time and then abated. Better than fine second day, barely hungry at all. But today I am starving! My tummy is boinging and pinging and I'm starting to fantasize about food. The ebook says the 3rd, 4th or 5th day would be the hardest, I am hoping that the 4th and 5th aren't worse than this or I may not make it. Anyone have any suggestions? I am drinking water until I am drowning. I also don't think going back and starting over with a more gradual approach would help me, I doubt I would stick to it long enough to get my window down to only 5 hours. I feel like my only shot at this is going to tough out today (and maybe tomorrow and the next day, too) and then it should start to get better. Shouldn't it?????

Ellen


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Re: [fast5] Eating more than once a day



From my own experience, both losing then maintaining using these methods over the last 10 years, it doesn't really matter whether you eat once or several times within your window.  What matters is the total calories you consume (consistent with your overall activity level of course).  In fact - and Dr Herring has confirmed this point - the only real "magic" of Fast 5 is fundamentally as a method of calorie control, in that many people find it easier to limit their overall calorie intake by restricting their eating window, rather than by trying to limit portion size throughout the day.  Any other health benefits, related to the actual duration of the fast, are relatively unproven and, whether valid or not in the longer term, probably have little to do with the overall success of Fast 5 as a method for controlling body composition.

David

On 30 September 2010 17:13, Denise <DeniseBBW@aol.com> wrote:
 

From reading the posts, it seems like most of you only eat once a day. Is that more recommended than say eating a couple of lighter meals with a snack in between as long as you get it in th 5 hour period? I am doing the Dash Diet now and there are a few things that I have to eat every day but I don't see how I'd be able to get them all in in one meal. Do you think Fast-5 works as well if you eat more than once?




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From reading the posts, it seems like most of you only eat once a day. Is that more recommended than say eating a couple of lighter meals with a snack in between as long as you get it in th 5 hour period? I am doing the Dash Diet now and there are a few things that I have to eat every day but I don't see how I'd be able to get them all in in one meal. Do you think Fast-5 works as well if you eat more than once?

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Re: [fast5] Help.....please do not be nice !



Okay, being that I'm about 200 pounds lighter than I was (without surgery, mind you!), I feel like I have something to add here.
 
This is not a post about fasting, just to state that up front so I don't waste anyone's time.  :-)  I just thought I'd share a little of my own processing and how I've continued to struggle, and how it was my viewpoint that changed things the most for me and not just how I eat.
 
I'm a 43 year old single dad of four (two teenage boys with me 100% of the time, two in their early 20's on their own).  I was overweight and always had self-confidence issues (not self-esteem issues though - there's a subtle difference).  I didn't really start packing the pounds on until my ex got pregnant with my first (the older two were 4 and 2 when we met, but they're mine now, ha!).  Basically I went from living at home after a failed college career, taking a dying mom to chemotherapy, to being a father of four within two years.  At 6'4" I went from an average weight of around 250 up to around 430 or so by around 2000-2001.  I was and have always been the funniest guy in the room, the most welcoming, the most emotionally accessible -- to others.  I believe that enablers have a fundamental challenge with how they see their own self-worth,  so although they are about the nicest folks you'd ever meet, they have a hard time including themselves in the circle of souls they show love to.  I was not motivated by self-worth, but by fear of being alone, fear of dying, fear of not being wanted by my wife.  She is/was a bipolar/borderline (undiagnosed back then),  and if you know anything about that kind of partnership, you know that someone wired like me learns to route their self-view through someone else's distorted vision.  Her fragmented self-hate (she also has PTSD) and ever-changing perception of me was allowed to mold me into something I no longer recognized, filled with panic attacks, health issues, and fear.  Food was my coping mechanism.
 
I lost my first 100 pounds on Atkins, but I didn't do it for me, I did it for her - to be more attractive, not understanding that the mind and body must grow together to be healthy. Bounced up and down all the time, weight-wise, which is certainly not unique.  When she left in 2006, make no mistake that I was utterly destroyed.  I had made some huge strides in my ability to see myself as a worthy and vital human being, but still - the only reason I kept going was that I was the only source of emotional stability my kids had -- I was now motivated by a new fear. . .that I would die and they would be lost.  I needed to get healthy.  It wasn't a clean process, but dammit friends, life is not a clean and simple process.  It's rich and complicated and the pain you feel is important and has meaning, should you have the courage to face the things that scare you.  At one point I recognized that if the shadows of the past are stretched out in front of me, then my back is to my light source.  Turning around is the first step, and you'll find yourself having to do it time and time again.  I got a great therapist, and a gym membership, and started educating myself on, well, me.  :-)  
 
Currently I'm about 225, and have put on about 25 pounds of muscle.  Sure, I've got about 20 pounds or so of blub that I'd like to lose, but once you've taken back your self-perception and re-acquainted yourself with the fact that you're the hero in your own story, you release the need to be perfect and regard yourself in a more loving light.  You cannot transform yourself in order to satisfy a flawed vision of who you are.   You must meet in the middle, in that place where you can wrap your arms around yourself and demonstrate the love you've given to others, and stop waiting for an outside source to nourish your soul.  This is not something that starts "once you lose X pounds" -- it starts right now, today.  The soft armor you've built up around you is not a shield from pain -- this we already know.  It is just simply a tangible way that you have validated your inner view of yourself as weak and "not good enough," even as you look back at the tremendous acts of personal strength that you have accomplished and never truly owned as wonderful credits to you. 
 
At first it was for my wife, then it was for my kids.  Anything but for me.  Then the little light went off in my head.  What do I really, truly want for my children?  What I really want is for them to be fully realized individuals who know how to create happiness for themselves regardless of the circumstances.  Just like a bear in the woods, teaching a cub to fish, you can't sit on your ass and bark directions.  You have to show them what it looks like.  To do that, it cannot be about them.  It has to be about you.  I realized that in avoiding myself and giving myself fully to others, I was not teaching them how to be empathetic and generous, I was teaching them that when they grow up and have kids, their lives will no longer matter either.  Who would want to grow up?  I mean, seriously - THAT's what I've got to look forward to?  No thank you!  :-) 
 
I had the love of my children.  Now I have their admiration and respect, as they have mine.  I have it because I gave that gift to myself first, and that has made all the difference. 
 
Stop kicking youself in the head and give youself a hand, and a hand up.  It's a good place to start.  :-)
 
Phil


From: Lesley Taylor <lesleytaylor6112@yahoo.com>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 4:09:53 AM
Subject: Re: [fast5] Help.....please do not be nice !

 

Thank you for your reply Nikki.  I agree with you totally about how this is down to us.  I am amazed at the years of dieting and self sabotage that I have put upon myself - when things start to go in the right direction I just go right in there and blow it!  A counsellor once told me that I am acutally fearful of losing weight and that I use my fat as a form of protection.  I have acknowledged this for many years now but still don't know how to get over the hurdle of losing weight and not being scared to do so.
 
Tomorrow I will be spending 4 days with a group of very close friends and as much as I know that they would completely understand if I were to explain to them that I only eat once a day, I will still put "starting again" off until after the weekend.  There is absoloutley no reason why I can not start now......this very minute.  This is where I can see that I am just very selfish and want everything my own way, I expect rewards for not trying and then spend weeks wallowing in my own self pity and writing to a chat group to justify what I am "not" doing. 
 
Maybe all you fast 5 groupers will do me a great big favour and tell me a few home truths.......no pity please.......be ruthless!!!!


From: Niki Barker <nicollbarker@hotmail.co.uk>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:10:19 PM
Subject: RE: [fast5] Been away too long........

 

This is exactly where I am at.  I have a week off work this week so that's my excuse until next Monday.  I have recently put on 7 pounds which I am so cross with myself about as I have maintained my weight for nearly 2 years.  Now I've started eating all day again I've felt so sluggish that I haven't been exercising or anything, just stuffing myself no matter how full I feel, no wonder I've put on 7 pounds, would probably be more except I suspect I've lost some of the muscle I worked so hard to build up.  I know I will lose it again when I start back on Fast5 and, like you, I really want to start, but obviously not badly enough as I keep finding an excuse as to why I should eat today and start again tomorrow.  I keep telling myself how fab I felt not eating in the day and how much energy I had.  There is so much temptation at home at the moment which is why I'm thinking start on Monday, I really, really want to start so why the hell can't I?
 
Very frustrated with myself.  Not looking for answers as I know it is all down to me and I need to get back into the right mindset but maybe putting it down in words will help make me focus....Come on girl, you've done it before for ages, it was so easy.
 
Grrrrrrr  Niki
 


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:22:31 +0000
Subject: [fast5] Been away too long........

 
Why did I go away? I went on holiday and abondened my fast 5 plan which was going so well. When I returned home I just could not seem to get back on track and have now been 5 weeks eating all day - it all seems so chaotic - out of control - self sabbotage. I keep telling myself to start again tomorrow and then first thing in the morning I tell myself "tomorrow" and I eat. We are spending this weekend with friends so there is yet another excuse to start next week. I wonder why something that worked so well for me obviously scares me. I am so angry with myself.






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Speaking of tea, ihave a funny thing happen.....

There is something in tea that makes me throw up.......

Has anybody else ever heard of this? Could it be the tannins?

I first experienced it about 10 years ago and have had it happen several times since (I have never been a regular tea drinker, just sporadic, situational). So of course, over the past few years after trying various things I have finally given up on ever trying tea.......but I just find this so odd........

chantelle


On 9/29/10 11:18 AM, "Denise" <DeniseBBW@aol.com> wrote:


 
 
   

Heather, do you mind me asking how the tea bothered you? Right now, green tea is the only thing helping me make it to my 1:30 window, it seems to help keep my appetite under control. I'm waiting for that appetite supressant to kick in....:)

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com> , Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Getting really thirsty isn't unusual while fasting, esp. during weight loss.
> I don't know why you'd get it on Fast-5 but not on ADF though. It might have
> to do with the tea or coffee though: both of them can be dehydrating. I had
> to give up on tea during fasting times, because it turned out it bothered me
> quite a bit.
>
> I get full after eating one meal too. I think the body *does* adapt, and one
> of the ways it adapts is to get a lot more efficient. And it knows exactly
> how much food it really does need. What Dr. Bert recommends in the book is
> to wait a month before trying to tweak things too much: you might have some
> swings of appetite and energy, but eventually things settle down.
>
> If you are worried about too few calories though, you might want to do the
> opposite of what many of us do and eat the high-calorie stuff first.
> Starting a meal with a salad works great for people who eat too much, but if
> you think you are eating too little, try starting the meal with, say, fish
> and chips or whatever high-cal food works for you?
>
> If you feel good though and are not turning into skin and bones, I wouldn't
> worry about it. When my daughter charted how many calories she eats a day
> for a class, she came out *way* low ... she really doesn't eat all that
> much. But she's tall and athletic and muscular. I kind of think the "calorie
> charts" are assuming people have very poor digestion or poor quality food or
> some such, or most people in our country are just eating way too much food.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:06 AM, nancynanoux <nancynanoux@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com> , "nicolllamorna" <nicollbarker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've started doing Fast5 4 days ago, previously I'd been doing ADF for
> > over a year.
> > >
> > > I've given myself a 5 hour eating window between 5 and 10pm and haven't
> > had any problems fasting all day, just the odd hunger pang every so often
> > that soon goes.  No cravings like I used to struggle with doing ADF.  Energy
> > levels are great, I walked 20km on Sunday morning with no ill effects.
> > >
> > > I do have 2 queries for anyone who has been doing this for some time.
> >  Firstly I'm really thirsty nearly all the time.  I'm drinking lots of water
> > plus some coffee, decaff coffee and green and white tea (not tea with
> > milk!). Wondering if this is normal and will settle down after a while.  I
> > know a lot of the liquid we get is from food so maybe it's down to me eating
> > less, but I never had this with ADF.
> > >
> > > Secondly, I'm struggling to eat enough.  Once 5 o'clock comes round I try
> > and eat some fruit and nuts or a salad, then have my evening meal around 7
> > thinking I can then snack a bit later, but I'm finding it hard to eat all my
> > evening meal and almost force myself to snack later on.  My stomach feels so
> > full and heavy almost as soon as I start eating.  Again I'm wondering if
> > anyone else has encountered this and if my body will adapt.
> > >
> > > I don't really want to lose any weight as I'm at my target weight from
> > the ADF and want to maintain but think I need eat more than I'm currently
> > doing to do so.
> > >
> > > Other than that so far so good and loving this way of eating.  Any
> > advice/experiences would be appreciated.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

 
   





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Re: [fast5] Re: breath



Could this be akin to ketosis or maybe your body is just cleansing?
What types of foods are you eating when you do eat?
chantelle


On 9/29/10 6:32 AM, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:


 
 
   

It probably means there is something not right with your digestive system.

I would guess taking probiotics, and digestive enzymes like bromelian.
You could also try colonic irrigation.

Also, do you noitce your breath getting better or worse after eating certain foods?
Eating sweets makes my breat go bad sometimes.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <mailto:fast5%40yahoogroups.com> , "issej86" <jcpearl86@...> wrote:
>
>  I love the way I am feeling. I love this natural appetite supressant. I have one issue, lol, I'm having ... very rancid breath. I'm brushing, flossing, and using mouth wash twice a day like I always do, my mouth tastes minty but my breath really smells. Its embarrassing, this is new as of 2 days ago that I really noticed. Anyone else experience anything similiar? I'm hoping it goes away. I'm not a huge fan of chewing gum, but I'll give that a try.
>

 
   





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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:09 AM, issej86 <jcpearl86@yahoo.com> wrote:
 I love the way I am feeling. I love this natural appetite supressant. I have one issue, lol, I'm having ... very rancid breath.

Hi

Someone sent me this link

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1VigLK/greenopolis.com/goblog/litegreen/15-natural-cures-bad-breath/r:f

!5 Natural Cures for Bad Breath

Maybe something here might help?

Cheers
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Thank you for your reply Nikki.  I agree with you totally about how this is down to us.  I am amazed at the years of dieting and self sabotage that I have put upon myself - when things start to go in the right direction I just go right in there and blow it!  A counsellor once told me that I am acutally fearful of losing weight and that I use my fat as a form of protection.  I have acknowledged this for many years now but still don't know how to get over the hurdle of losing weight and not being scared to do so.
 
Tomorrow I will be spending 4 days with a group of very close friends and as much as I know that they would completely understand if I were to explain to them that I only eat once a day, I will still put "starting again" off until after the weekend.  There is absoloutley no reason why I can not start now......this very minute.  This is where I can see that I am just very selfish and want everything my own way, I expect rewards for not trying and then spend weeks wallowing in my own self pity and writing to a chat group to justify what I am "not" doing. 
 
Maybe all you fast 5 groupers will do me a great big favour and tell me a few home truths.......no pity please.......be ruthless!!!!


From: Niki Barker <nicollbarker@hotmail.co.uk>
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:10:19 PM
Subject: RE: [fast5] Been away too long........

 

This is exactly where I am at.  I have a week off work this week so that's my excuse until next Monday.  I have recently put on 7 pounds which I am so cross with myself about as I have maintained my weight for nearly 2 years.  Now I've started eating all day again I've felt so sluggish that I haven't been exercising or anything, just stuffing myself no matter how full I feel, no wonder I've put on 7 pounds, would probably be more except I suspect I've lost some of the muscle I worked so hard to build up.  I know I will lose it again when I start back on Fast5 and, like you, I really want to start, but obviously not badly enough as I keep finding an excuse as to why I should eat today and start again tomorrow.  I keep telling myself how fab I felt not eating in the day and how much energy I had.  There is so much temptation at home at the moment which is why I'm thinking start on Monday, I really, really want to start so why the hell can't I?
 
Very frustrated with myself.  Not looking for answers as I know it is all down to me and I need to get back into the right mindset but maybe putting it down in words will help make me focus....Come on girl, you've done it before for ages, it was so easy.
 
Grrrrrrr  Niki
 


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From: lesleytaylor6112@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:22:31 +0000
Subject: [fast5] Been away too long........

 
Why did I go away? I went on holiday and abondened my fast 5 plan which was going so well. When I returned home I just could not seem to get back on track and have now been 5 weeks eating all day - it all seems so chaotic - out of control - self sabbotage. I keep telling myself to start again tomorrow and then first thing in the morning I tell myself "tomorrow" and I eat. We are spending this weekend with friends so there is yet another excuse to start next week. I wonder why something that worked so well for me obviously scares me. I am so angry with myself.





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Re: [fast5] Re: Not eating enough?





On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Denise <DeniseBBW@aol.com> wrote:
Heather, do you mind me asking how the tea bothered you? Right now, green tea is the only thing helping me make it to my 1:30 window, it seems to help keep my appetite under control. I'm waiting for that appetite supressant to kick in....:)


I started getting ulcers, actually. I was reading that feeding rats tannin induced ulcers, by thinning the mucous lining of the stomach. So I stopped the tea, and started taking konjac, and the ulcers went away. Or I think they did. They were diagnosed when I was 'scoped by a gastro doc, but he really didn't have a plan for how to get rid of them, which I found odd. But the symptoms (stomach pain) went away, which is good enough for me.

BTW I still drink tea all day, but I switched to fresh Neem leaf or fresh lemon verbena, both of which I find quite yummy. Mostly I don't like herbal teas, but those two work for me. I think drinking hot liquids is a nervous habit for me. "Hunger" hasn't been an issue for a couple of years now, but thirst still is.






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[fast5] Re: Not eating enough?

Heather, do you mind me asking how the tea bothered you? Right now, green tea is the only thing helping me make it to my 1:30 window, it seems to help keep my appetite under control. I'm waiting for that appetite supressant to kick in....:)


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Getting really thirsty isn't unusual while fasting, esp. during weight loss.
> I don't know why you'd get it on Fast-5 but not on ADF though. It might have
> to do with the tea or coffee though: both of them can be dehydrating. I had
> to give up on tea during fasting times, because it turned out it bothered me
> quite a bit.
>
> I get full after eating one meal too. I think the body *does* adapt, and one
> of the ways it adapts is to get a lot more efficient. And it knows exactly
> how much food it really does need. What Dr. Bert recommends in the book is
> to wait a month before trying to tweak things too much: you might have some
> swings of appetite and energy, but eventually things settle down.
>
> If you are worried about too few calories though, you might want to do the
> opposite of what many of us do and eat the high-calorie stuff first.
> Starting a meal with a salad works great for people who eat too much, but if
> you think you are eating too little, try starting the meal with, say, fish
> and chips or whatever high-cal food works for you?
>
> If you feel good though and are not turning into skin and bones, I wouldn't
> worry about it. When my daughter charted how many calories she eats a day
> for a class, she came out *way* low ... she really doesn't eat all that
> much. But she's tall and athletic and muscular. I kind of think the "calorie
> charts" are assuming people have very poor digestion or poor quality food or
> some such, or most people in our country are just eating way too much food.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:06 AM, nancynanoux <nancynanoux@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "nicolllamorna" <nicollbarker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've started doing Fast5 4 days ago, previously I'd been doing ADF for
> > over a year.
> > >
> > > I've given myself a 5 hour eating window between 5 and 10pm and haven't
> > had any problems fasting all day, just the odd hunger pang every so often
> > that soon goes. No cravings like I used to struggle with doing ADF. Energy
> > levels are great, I walked 20km on Sunday morning with no ill effects.
> > >
> > > I do have 2 queries for anyone who has been doing this for some time.
> > Firstly I'm really thirsty nearly all the time. I'm drinking lots of water
> > plus some coffee, decaff coffee and green and white tea (not tea with
> > milk!). Wondering if this is normal and will settle down after a while. I
> > know a lot of the liquid we get is from food so maybe it's down to me eating
> > less, but I never had this with ADF.
> > >
> > > Secondly, I'm struggling to eat enough. Once 5 o'clock comes round I try
> > and eat some fruit and nuts or a salad, then have my evening meal around 7
> > thinking I can then snack a bit later, but I'm finding it hard to eat all my
> > evening meal and almost force myself to snack later on. My stomach feels so
> > full and heavy almost as soon as I start eating. Again I'm wondering if
> > anyone else has encountered this and if my body will adapt.
> > >
> > > I don't really want to lose any weight as I'm at my target weight from
> > the ADF and want to maintain but think I need eat more than I'm currently
> > doing to do so.
> > >
> > > Other than that so far so good and loving this way of eating. Any
> > advice/experiences would be appreciated.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


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This is exactly where I am at.  I have a week off work this week so that's my excuse until next Monday.  I have recently put on 7 pounds which I am so cross with myself about as I have maintained my weight for nearly 2 years.  Now I've started eating all day again I've felt so sluggish that I haven't been exercising or anything, just stuffing myself no matter how full I feel, no wonder I've put on 7 pounds, would probably be more except I suspect I've lost some of the muscle I worked so hard to build up.  I know I will lose it again when I start back on Fast5 and, like you, I really want to start, but obviously not badly enough as I keep finding an excuse as to why I should eat today and start again tomorrow.  I keep telling myself how fab I felt not eating in the day and how much energy I had.  There is so much temptation at home at the moment which is why I'm thinking start on Monday, I really, really want to start so why the hell can't I?
 
Very frustrated with myself.  Not looking for answers as I know it is all down to me and I need to get back into the right mindset but maybe putting it down in words will help make me focus....Come on girl, you've done it before for ages, it was so easy.
 
Grrrrrrr  Niki
 


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From: lesleytaylor6112@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:22:31 +0000
Subject: [fast5] Been away too long........

 
Why did I go away? I went on holiday and abondened my fast 5 plan which was going so well. When I returned home I just could not seem to get back on track and have now been 5 weeks eating all day - it all seems so chaotic - out of control - self sabbotage. I keep telling myself to start again tomorrow and then first thing in the morning I tell myself "tomorrow" and I eat. We are spending this weekend with friends so there is yet another excuse to start next week. I wonder why something that worked so well for me obviously scares me. I am so angry with myself.




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[fast5] Re: breath

It probably means there is something not right with your digestive system.

I would guess taking probiotics, and digestive enzymes like bromelian.
You could also try colonic irrigation.

Also, do you noitce your breath getting better or worse after eating certain foods?
Eating sweets makes my breat go bad sometimes.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "issej86" <jcpearl86@...> wrote:
>
> I love the way I am feeling. I love this natural appetite supressant. I have one issue, lol, I'm having ... very rancid breath. I'm brushing, flossing, and using mouth wash twice a day like I always do, my mouth tastes minty but my breath really smells. Its embarrassing, this is new as of 2 days ago that I really noticed. Anyone else experience anything similiar? I'm hoping it goes away. I'm not a huge fan of chewing gum, but I'll give that a try.
>


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 Thanks for your reply, I found it so interesting what you mentioned about gluten intolerance. Gluten is something I've never even had a thought about, I'm not even quite sure what it is exactly or what foods contain it, but I'm guessing breads? pastas? I work in a grocery store and I have encountered customers asking for products that are gluten free, I feel so puzzled when faced with a request that I'm not even sure of the definition of so I usually get help from the department manager, but honestly I've never thought much about gluten until now. I'm very curious to do some research.

It IS a very big subject. There really isn't a decent definition of "gluten" ... or rather there are several. Basically the thing we are talking about here is the fact that there is a toxic peptide in several of the grains that form the basis for the standard Western diet ... namely wheat, barley, and rye. In our half of the hemisphere, these are hard to avoid, since they are added to lots of foods. The upshot of this is that some people get really sick from just *eating*. 

Yeah, right now this is hitting the news big time. It's about time. The research really started 30 years ago or so, and Paul Newman pulled wheat out of HIS products. But no one much was listening.

It's a pretty easy experiment though: just avoid processed foods in general, and eat vegies, rice or potatoes, fruit, meat. See how you feel. There are a lot of "gluten free" foods now too, and some are worth it, but as an experiment, you just need "real" food.


 
 I had an interesting experience today. It came time to eat. I just didn't want it really. I wasn't very hungry, I think my mind was more hungry than my stomach. I got a salad and a sandwich, I ate the salad and when I started eating the sandwich I just had this weird overwhelming sensation to sleep, LOL. I could barely chew, it was like bam! bedtime!! right now!! LOL. I didn't finish it and i went to sleep, it was so weird, and it was mid day, I felt fine before I ate, then I napped and my boyfriend woke me up and I was kinda... weirdly emotional LOL.. I feel fine now as if nothing strange took place, but my stomach is also back to empty. I love that feeling of emptiness, it feels better than eating.

 It feels great to put on a pair of jeans that were tight last week and gave me a 'muffin top' (lol) and anticipating them being tight... and them feeling .... amazing and fitting with no 'muffin top', this feels great!

 I'll definantly look into gluten information, thanks for the insight on gluten/moods, i would never think of it. It was just so weird today to fall asleep in my sandwich when I previously was not tired at all.

I have that experience a lot. I'm not sure what it means. I do know that I have kept many kinds of animals, and "going to sleep after eating" is pretty common. Since I work at home, I find a short nap after meals is amazing. It clears my head for the rest of the day. That is a standard practice (or at least was) in much of the world, and some gurus claim a "power nap" is a great thing.

I do know thought that eating starches makes your brain secrete serotonin, which is a sleep inducing chemical. So if you *don't* want to get sleepy, eating fewer carbs is good. Eating fish or turmeric is said to do the opposite. When I was in school, I always ate a tuna salad before a test!



  
 


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