Tuesday, August 31, 2010

[fast5] Re: An Objective Look at IF - article by Alan Aragon

Once you have breakfast you want to eat more. I have no problem going without breakfast. I think it a myth you need breakfast. The times in the past i've done fast five, i felt healthier. Our ancestors used to eat when food was available. I go on how i feel rather than studies.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Reyaz Raheem" <reyazr@...> wrote:
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> Did anyone read this article? Please excuse me if this was discussed before.
>
>
>
> http://www.alanaragon.com/an-objective-look-at-intermittent-fasting.html
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> Regards
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> Rey
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[fast5] vegetarian... Re: Conundrum!

I was a vegetarian for several years and i brought my son up as one for awhile. He now eats meat and into body building.

It was more for how animals are treated and for the love of animals, not for the health reasons.

It is alright being vegetarian if you do it properly, getting enough B12 and iron etc. I saw someone i hadn't seen for years recently that has been a vegetarian most of their life, and about the same age as me. I was shocked at how old they looked. And to be honest most don't look very healthy.

I'm a firm believer in a balanced diet now, butter and coconut oil included. It is difficult to get all your nutrients especially if vegan, although i respect people's reasons for being one, i don't think it is healthy unless you do it making sure you get all the nutritents you need.

Anyway, not been on this site for ages. I've done fast five several times in the past. I'm about to start again from tomorrow. It is a great way to loose weight. I think mentally knowing you don't have to give up any foods, although you naturally eat healthier as you progress i find, makes it so much easier to start.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "tamaratornado" <tamaratornado@...> wrote:
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> Vegetarianism and veganism is very popular. Vegan is very, very hip with younger people especially. And who wants to hurt animals? I became vegetarian when I was in college, and moved into a collective household which was vegetarian.
>
> When you are young, it's easier to get away with eating less than optimal foods, so there's no telling how these younger folks will be as they get older if they keep eating vegan.
>
> I became anemic as a vegetarian... my brother and I were macrobiotic for a while, he felt better at first, then became pale and skinny. He started eating meat again, then when I got sick I started listening to him.
>
> Yet some of my friends still seem to be OK on a vegetarian diet, so I don't bother them about it, and they don't lecture me about eating meat either; live and let live.
>
> I would like more acurate info about healthy meat to be out there. I do speak up whenever someone makes a remark that "of course it's healthier not to eat meat"... and seems to me that many people who do eat meat apologize for it nowadays.
>
> Well, I could go on and on about it....
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Tom Jones <tomjones8@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hehe .. She has been vegetarian for over twenty years, and is far stronger
> > > than me!! I am sure that it isn't the animal fat that is the problem, just
> > > the generally lower levels of fat..
> > >
> > > She isn't brainwashing me at all -- in fact she has turned me on to butter
> > > instead of margarine... and I wasn't not eating meat, just avoiding the
> > > eating of it in her presence (my idea, not hers!!)
> > >
> > > ..
> > >
> > > Tom.
> >
> >
> > Guys just want to be sure that another guy doesn't allow himself to be "P-whipped". ;-)
> >
> > Too much silliness going on in the media about the "dangers" of animal fat. Subway puts only egg-whites, no yolks, in their new breakfast sandwiches. UK cardiologists getting all kinds of press for recommending statins for everyone eating a "fatty" burger.
> >
> > I would recommend you stick with your IF as the only thing you will lose is body fat, if you eat sufficient good food when eating. You stated you couldn't eat very much, so figured you might have been filling up on veggies instead of meat.
> >
> > Barnaby
> >
> >
> > > On 15 August 2010 06:59, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Tom Jones <tomjones8@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all the replies!
> > > > >
> > > > > I have realised that I have been on a mainly vegetarian diet for the last
> > > > 3
> > > > > months (due to dating a lovely vegetarian lady!), so I probably haven't
> > > > been
> > > > > getting as much fat as I have been used to. She also went on a
> > > > > Weightwatchers diet a couple of weeks back, and my chocolate consumption
> > > > has
> > > > > dropped as a result (I can't eat it in front of her!).
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not feeling poorly or anything - just got a bit worried. I feel a
> > > > bit
> > > > > better now - and just need to make sure that I get an adequate supply of
> > > > fat
> > > > > from somewhere! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again!
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Somewhere, is ANIMAL Fats and Proteins!
> > > >
> > > > She surely hasn't veggie brainwashed you to avoid butter, whole eggs and
> > > > dairy?
> > > >
> > > > And here you were ready to falsely blame Fast-5 for becoming a skinny
> > > > vegetarian. You are losing MUSCLE.
> > > >
> > > > When I read your conundrum, I suspected you weren't eating good food.
> > > >
> > > > Try educating HER by suggesting "The Vegetarian Myth".
> > > > http://www.greenlivingtips.com/blogs/398/The-Vegetarian-Myth.html
> > > >
> > > > Barnaby
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 13 August 2010 12:05, Tom Jones <tomjones8@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I took up Fast-5 around 20 months ago, and it has been very good for me
> > > > -
> > > > > > maybe too good!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I weighed around 13 stone (180 pounds) and my target was around 10.5
> > > > stone
> > > > > > (147 pounds) - which I achieved in about 3 or 4 months. I have spent
> > > > the
> > > > > > last year maintaining this weight, with a bit of cheating here and
> > > > there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the last couple of weeks, however, my weight has dropped to 10 stone
> > > > > > without me trying (140 pounds), and I can't seem to get it back up
> > > > again, no
> > > > > > matter how much I try, I keep getting full too easily!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any ideas, should I stop fast-5 for a while, or give it up completely?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Monday, August 30, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing fo0d away



You know, if he starts refusing pasta and bread in favor of steak and shrimp, and he has issues with gaining weight, you might also get him tested for gluten intolerance. My main "symptom" back when I was a kid was an aversion to a lot of foods, breads being among the main ones. Being misdiagnosed for 40 years has left me with a fair bit of permanent damage that could have been easily avoided (plus the last 40 years would have been far more pleasant!). Most of that time the docs thought I was quite healthy, but hypochondriac (because of misc. aches and pains and issues like food aversions).


My kids are really picky about restaurant food too though. So are the adults. It comes from eating good food at home, and learning what tastes good. My daughter took one look at eggs-over-easy at a restaurant, tried one, and said "Mom, that egg looks weird and it tastes weird and I don't want to eat it". She hadn't seen "store bought eggs" for maybe 8 years, and it really did look weird after all that time. She also doesn't like maraschino cherries any more (after loving them for ages) but craves bananas. My husband has followed suit, so he doesn't argue. But what possible good can come from training a kid to force down food that really isn't all that great? You're basically training the kid to ignore their own best instincts.


On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Heidi overbeek <heidioverbeek@yahoo.com> wrote:


   With my son we have very food restrictions, we just tell him not to eat more than his body needs.  He is a natural faster, often eating 1 large meal a day.  This worried me a bit, prior to me starting w/ fast-5, but now I see it as very positive.  We only had 1 period that we tried to push food on him, when he was 12 and the pediatrician diagnosed him w/ failure to thrive b/c he didn't gain any weight in a year.  But then we relaxed pretty quickly and stopped bugging him.  He is 15 yo, 5'11" and 145 lb (very athletic.)  I have noticed some disapproval though, to my parenting style.  For instance from an older relative (at a restaurant) who complained to me that he hadn't eaten his side dish of mac and cheese, after he did eat a steak and shrimp!  I smiled and said, "Oh that's okay, I'm sure there were enough calories in that steak and shrimp for one meal."  I've also been in situations at restaurants when he took one look at the food and refused to eat it.  Fine, he doesn't get anything else but he doesn't have to eat it, and he doesn't get in trouble either.  Why make an issue?  Completely bothered my friend who then spent the rest of dinner trying to entice him to eat it.  Why bother?  It wasn't even healthy food! 
 I had too many rules about food growing up, "don't eat that, you're too fat."  And "eat more, your wasting money if you don't eat it."  I tell my son what I think is healthy (high protein, high fat, low carbs, low processed foods, low seed oils, etc) but I would rather him eat a few extra candy bars than end up w/ food issues.
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[fast5] Re: Throwing fo0d away



   With my son we have very food restrictions, we just tell him not to eat more than his body needs.  He is a natural faster, often eating 1 large meal a day.  This worried me a bit, prior to me starting w/ fast-5, but now I see it as very positive.  We only had 1 period that we tried to push food on him, when he was 12 and the pediatrician diagnosed him w/ failure to thrive b/c he didn't gain any weight in a year.  But then we relaxed pretty quickly and stopped bugging him.  He is 15 yo, 5'11" and 145 lb (very athletic.)  I have noticed some disapproval though, to my parenting style.  For instance from an older relative (at a restaurant) who complained to me that he hadn't eaten his side dish of mac and cheese, after he did eat a steak and shrimp!  I smiled and said, "Oh that's okay, I'm sure there were enough calories in that steak and shrimp for one meal."  I've also been in situations at restaurants when he took one look at the food and refused to eat it.  Fine, he doesn't get anything else but he doesn't have to eat it, and he doesn't get in trouble either.  Why make an issue?  Completely bothered my friend who then spent the rest of dinner trying to entice him to eat it.  Why bother?  It wasn't even healthy food! 
 I had too many rules about food growing up, "don't eat that, you're too fat."  And "eat more, your wasting money if you don't eat it."  I tell my son what I think is healthy (high protein, high fat, low carbs, low processed foods, low seed oils, etc) but I would rather him eat a few extra candy bars than end up w/ food issues.
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Sunday, August 29, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing food away




On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:29 AM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
The excess food either goes to waste or waist!
;-)


Or to the chickens! A person with chickens never has to worry about what to do with leftovers ... My issue nowadays isn't so much with throwing food out, as that when you eat "whole" food (such as corn on the cob, or harvest a cabbage) there is a fair bit of waste just in cleaning the food. We end up with stems, ends, shells, bones etc. One meal I made, there was a huge bowl of the "other parts" that weren't edible. So we've made all those part of our food cycle also.

For those who can't raise chickens ... I've started raising Phoenix worms (aka black soldier fly larvae) and they sure love leftovers too, plus they'll eat anything that went bad in the fridge. And the bugs make great chicken, fish, or bird feeder food. I'm actually growing them in a little container on my desk: they don't take up the space you need for say, a worm bin.

So one of my issues now is that when I go have dinner with someone else, I keep wanting to take home all the food waste rather than see it go down the garbage disposal or into their trash. It doesn't bother me so much that the kid or adult didn't eat it ... but it does bother me to see it tossed in with all the other trash. (OK, it decomposes fine in landfills, but just think of how happy it would make the chicken!).




 
 
 


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Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing food away





On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Chantelle <chantelles@cox.net> wrote:


Ps-Kirsteen, what about freezing excess that's bought? I find myself working to give away any excesses we end up with or cooking things up and freezing, etc.

LOL yes that works. However my freezer is now so full, I don't even know what's in it half the time :-) 

Cheers
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Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing food away



So well put. I’ve felt very free around my parents to leave food, ftmp. I mean sometimes I’ve done it without even thinking about it. And I used to tell them this concept all the time. Better for them to be healthy than to be concerned about that....

Thankfully they don’t’ have weight issues...
Chantelle

Ps-Kirsteen, what about freezing excess that’s bought? I find myself working to give away any excesses we end up with or cooking things up and freezing, etc.


On 8/28/10 7:21 AM, "marty398" <marty398@yahoo.com> wrote:

"... food going into fat on my hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into the bin."

Love this!  It's a great answer when visiting and someone accuses you of wasting food or trying to force you to take seconds so something doesn't go to waste.  But it really can't be used if you served yourself and don't eat what you took.  

--
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> It's so true, it took me years to realise that food going into fat on my
> hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into
> the bin. As you said the savings start with buying less and i think that's
> where I struggle most. Once it's bought, if it's excess then it's already a
> waste regardless of what happens to it.
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen


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[fast5] Salad bars

I am noticing that salad bars are a great way to get small portions of foods, someone here suggested that. It's been helpful. Thanks!

I can get a variety of foods and just the right amount with no waste.

- T

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[fast5] Re: Throwing food away

The excess food either goes to waste or waist!
;-)


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, David Nyman <david@...> wrote:
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> Great answer! I sometimes reply to accusations of "wasting" excess
> portions: "Well, it's already wasted - the only outstanding issue is whether
> it needs to pass through my digestive system en route!"
>
> David
>
> On 28 August 2010 15:21, marty398 <marty398@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "... food going into fat on my hips because I didn't need it was just as
> > much a waste as food going into the bin."
> >
> > Love this! It's a great answer when visiting and someone accuses you of
> > wasting food or trying to force you to take seconds so something doesn't go
> > to waste. But it really can't be used if you served yourself and don't eat
> > what you took.
> >
> > --
> > Marty
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com <fast5%40yahoogroups.com>, Kirsteen Wright
> > <kirsteen.falconsfan@> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > --- SNIP ---
> >
> >
> > > It's so true, it took me years to realise that food going into fat on my
> > > hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into
> > > the bin. As you said the savings start with buying less and i think
> > that's
> > > where I struggle most. Once it's bought, if it's excess then it's already
> > a
> > > waste regardless of what happens to it.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Kirsteen
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Saturday, August 28, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing food away



Great answer!  I sometimes reply to accusations of "wasting" excess portions: "Well, it's already wasted - the only outstanding issue is whether it needs to pass through my digestive system en route!"

David

On 28 August 2010 15:21, marty398 <marty398@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

"... food going into fat on my hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into the bin."

Love this! It's a great answer when visiting and someone accuses you of wasting food or trying to force you to take seconds so something doesn't go to waste. But it really can't be used if you served yourself and don't eat what you took.

--
Marty

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
>

--- SNIP ---



> It's so true, it took me years to realise that food going into fat on my
> hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into
> the bin. As you said the savings start with buying less and i think that's
> where I struggle most. Once it's bought, if it's excess then it's already a
> waste regardless of what happens to it.
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
>




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[fast5] Re: Throwing food away

"... food going into fat on my hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into the bin."

Love this! It's a great answer when visiting and someone accuses you of wasting food or trying to force you to take seconds so something doesn't go to waste. But it really can't be used if you served yourself and don't eat what you took.

--
Marty

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Kirsteen Wright <kirsteen.falconsfan@...> wrote:
>

--- SNIP ---

> It's so true, it took me years to realise that food going into fat on my
> hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into
> the bin. As you said the savings start with buying less and i think that's
> where I struggle most. Once it's bought, if it's excess then it's already a
> waste regardless of what happens to it.
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
>


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Friday, August 27, 2010

Re: [fast5] Re: Throwing food away





On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:25 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:

As a kid, I kept fantazing about wrapping up my leftovers and mailing them to the starving children in India!

Me too :-)  Only in my case it was Biafra. I remember being sent to my room in disgrace because I'd heard one too many times "Think of the poor starving children in Biafra" and i said "Right, fine, let them eat it then because I don't want to".

I try not to waste food, but not to force myself to eat what I don't want. I try to buy what I need and freeze leftovers. I need to save money.

It's so true, it took me years to realise that food going into fat on my hips because I didn't need it was just as much a waste as food going into the bin. As you said the savings start with buying less and i think that's where I struggle most. Once it's bought, if it's excess then it's already a waste regardless of what happens to it.

Cheers
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[fast5] Re: Throwing food away

My aunts really tortured me about eating everything on my plate. Part of it was not wasting food, and part of it was an effort to make sure we were eating enough healthy food. My one aunt forced all of us to drink a large glass of homogenized, pasteurized, milk with each meal, she was convinced it was good for us. I don't agree now. But she was trying to do the right thing.

As a kid, I kept fantazing about wrapping up my leftovers and mailing them to the starving children in India!

I try not to waste food, but not to force myself to eat what I don't want. I try to buy what I need and freeze leftovers. I need to save money.

Sometimes I make mistakes in cooking, and it comes out bad tasting, that goes to waste.

- T

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Chantelle Meade <chantelles@...> wrote:
>
> yep. it was a big mindset shift for me probably more than 20 years
> ago now to throw food away. and i was super skinny when i started
> doing it, but obsessed with being sure i stayed that way. before i
> got that mindset, i had some interesting experiences with it all.
>
> i realize how much i've shifted and my parents haven't whenever i'm
> around them (i'm 45 and they are upper 70's). about once a year we
> eat at their house and that happened this week(my little guy had a
> birthday). my kids left food on their plate (were not allowed to take
> it up themselves so someone else put it on plate) and i didn't think
> too much of it but i did realize it was different to them (my
> parents) who never ever put food down the disposal or anywhere
> (except there stomachs). my mom even commented on it. and before that
> discussion i said something about (me)'not finishing there's" because
> if we are all on a trip together or something, somebody always
> finishes the food the kids can't eat, like my dad usually. (he's
> thin, never had a weight problem)
> both of my parents are good at not taking too big of portions and no
> weight problems....
> when i first realized i had to change MY mindset was at college. it
> was dished up for us. i ahd been taught not to waste food. i had
> never left food on my plate. so i was initially trying to eat it all.
> once i learned to throw it away there though i've enver really looked
> back. if i eat out, i bring the rest home (usually a very large
> amount of it) in a take out box and spread that out over several days
> sometimes :)
> chantelle
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Heather Twist wrote:
>
> > Oh that is just so sad! I am sorry for that little kid.
> >
> >
> > When we had our daughter, my dh started the same thing, wanting her
> > to clean her plate. He does not clean HIS plate: he stops eating
> > when he's full. He is skinny. He skips meals too. I said "Look: do
> > you really want to teach her to stuff herself past when she's full?
> > Our country is full of fat people!". So we agreed: she could eat
> > what she felt like eating. We let her choose her own portions, and
> > if she didn't finish them, we pointed that out ("Looks like you
> > took too much this time. Next time take less?").
> >
> > Some days all she would eat was one piece of broccoli. But she
> > wasn't anorexic or overly skinny, so I just ignored it. Also, she
> > wasn't pigging out on candy. We always had candy around, and she
> > ignored it. She would steal pieces of mango while I was slicing it
> > (we played a game called "Mango Bandit"). She loved to hoard candy
> > from Halloween and gifts, but it would go buggy before she actually
> > ate any.
> >
> > Anyway, she is 16 now and gorgeously athletic. Some days she pigs
> > out: some days she doesn't eat much. It's basically intermittent
> > fasting, I think, but at some intuitive level. I am so happy I
> > dropped the 5-meals-a-day thing before she could remember. She is
> > really proud that, if needed, she can go all day with no food and
> > handle it: to her that is a kind of power, since everyone else she
> > meets is a slave to food. She weighs 160 and it is all muscle.
> >
> > I think for most kids, you can let them trust their instincts. And
> > your parents should have allowed you to do that too. Eating
> > something you don't want to eat is a kind of torture, and should
> > not be practiced. Physically hurting a kid for not eating, that is
> > just child abuse.
> >
> > BTW, about "throwing food away". The Earth throws food away all the
> > time. Every time a plant grows, and it is not eaten, it just rots
> > and goes back into the cycle. Billions of tons of greens and roots
> > are NOT eaten ... in the rainforest, in the prairie. Think of all
> > the fish that die natural deaths and are not eaten. The stuff you
> > eat ... that goes back into the cycle too. Whether or not a plant
> > or animal passes through your digestive tract means very little to
> > the universe in general or to the Earth in particular.
> >
> > If you want to improve the Earth in particular, think about stuff
> > like how you handle plastic garbage bags or plastic bottles. Buy
> > locally. Give to Heifer International to help people "grow their
> > own". And when you do Fast-5, you WILL be eating and buying less
> > overall, so the bit that might be "wasted" in your learning curve
> > is overall a good investment.
> >
> > Anyway, look at the "big picture", not at the bit of food you
> > couldn't eat. Your parents couldn't get past their own issues, but
> > you can.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Jump4Joy <joy2garden@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not only was I told about the starving children in Africa/India/
> > China, my parents tried to force me to clean my plate (which they
> > loaded up) by setting a timer and threatening me with a spanking
> > with a 12-inch wooden paddle. The many welts and bruised fingers I
> > received were a testament to my stubborness. They eventually gave
> > up the spankings, but made me sit at the table for hours after
> > dinner saying that I couldn't leave the table until my food was
> > gone. Sadly, we didn't have a dog, so I became skilled at hiding
> > food in my clothes and taking it apart and pushing it around on and
> > under my plate.
> >
> > It actually makes me a little happy to throw away "perfectly good"
> > food (No wonder! Right?). One normal-eating tip is to dissect the
> > food on your plate by only eating the best bits and tastes first,
> > and then eat only until you're politely satisfied. What's left are
> > the less-favorite parts and it's easy to throw them out because it
> > looks unappealing. It helps to remember that your body is not a
> > trash-bin. <smile>
> >
> > Best, Joy
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Lesley Taylor <lesleytaylor6112@>
> > wrote:
> > ....which leads me to another thing that I need to
> > > work on. "Throwing food away" - I find it so difficult, and no
> > my mother did
> > > not tell me about the starving children in Africa, and I was
> > never forced to eat
> > > anything I did not want. I just find it so hard to throw away
> > good food that is
> > > still edible. I keep practicing though, tears rolling down my
> > face when the
> > > food hits the bottom of the bin.......I am sure it will get
> > easier....everything
> > > else is.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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yep. it was a big mindset shift for me probably more than 20 years ago now to throw food away. and i was super skinny when i started doing it, but obsessed with being sure i stayed that way. before i got that mindset, i had some interesting experiences with it all.


i realize how much i've shifted and my parents haven't whenever i'm around them (i'm 45 and they are upper 70's). about once a year we eat at their house and that happened this week(my little guy had a birthday). my kids left food on their plate (were not allowed to take it up themselves so someone else put it on plate) and i didn't think too much of it but i did realize it was different to them (my parents) who never ever put food down the disposal or anywhere (except there stomachs). my mom even commented on it. and before that discussion i said something about (me)'not finishing there's" because if we are all on a trip together or something, somebody always finishes the food the kids can't eat, like my dad usually. (he's thin, never had a weight problem)
both of my parents are good at not taking too big of portions and no weight problems....
when i first realized i had to change MY mindset was at college. it was dished up for us. i ahd been taught not to waste food. i had never left food on my plate. so i was initially trying to eat it all. once i learned to throw it away there though i've enver really looked back. if i eat out, i bring the rest home (usually a very large amount of it) in a take out box and spread that out over several days sometimes :)
chantelle
On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Heather Twist wrote:

 

Oh that is just so sad! I am sorry for that little kid.


When we had our daughter, my dh started the same thing, wanting her to clean her plate. He does not clean HIS plate: he stops eating when he's full. He is skinny. He skips meals too. I said "Look: do you really want to teach her to stuff herself past when she's full? Our country is full of fat people!". So we agreed: she could eat what she felt like eating. We let her choose her own portions, and if she didn't finish them, we pointed that out ("Looks like you took too much this time. Next time take less?").

Some days all she would eat was one piece of broccoli. But she wasn't anorexic or overly skinny, so I just ignored it. Also, she wasn't pigging out on candy. We always had candy around, and she ignored it. She would steal pieces of mango while I was slicing it (we played a game called "Mango Bandit"). She loved to hoard candy from Halloween and gifts, but it would go buggy before she actually ate any.

Anyway, she is 16 now and gorgeously athletic. Some days she pigs out: some days she doesn't eat much. It's basically intermittent fasting, I think, but at some intuitive level. I am so happy I dropped the 5-meals-a-day thing before she could remember. She is really proud that, if needed, she can go all day with no food and handle it: to her that is a kind of power, since everyone else she meets is a slave to food. She weighs 160 and it is all muscle.

I think for most kids, you can let them trust their instincts. And your parents should have allowed you to do that too. Eating something you don't want to eat is a kind of torture, and should not be practiced. Physically hurting a kid for not eating, that is just child abuse.

BTW, about "throwing food away". The Earth throws food away all the time. Every time a plant grows, and it is not eaten, it just rots and goes back into the cycle. Billions of tons of greens and roots are NOT eaten ... in the rainforest, in the prairie. Think of all the fish that die natural deaths and are not eaten. The stuff you eat ... that goes back into the cycle too. Whether or not a plant or animal passes through your digestive tract means very little to the universe in general or to the Earth in particular.

If you want to improve the Earth in particular, think about stuff like how you handle plastic garbage bags or plastic bottles. Buy locally. Give to Heifer International to help people "grow their own". And when you do Fast-5, you WILL be eating and buying less overall, so the bit that might be "wasted" in your learning curve is overall a good investment.

Anyway, look at the "big picture", not at the bit of food you couldn't eat. Your parents couldn't get past their own issues, but you can.


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Jump4Joy <joy2garden@yahoo.com> wrote:


Not only was I told about the starving children in Africa/India/China, my parents tried to force me to clean my plate (which they loaded up) by setting a timer and threatening me with a spanking with a 12-inch wooden paddle. The many welts and bruised fingers I received were a testament to my stubborness. They eventually gave up the spankings, but made me sit at the table for hours after dinner saying that I couldn't leave the table until my food was gone. Sadly, we didn't have a dog, so I became skilled at hiding food in my clothes and taking it apart and pushing it around on and under my plate.

It actually makes me a little happy to throw away "perfectly good" food (No wonder! Right?). One normal-eating tip is to dissect the food on your plate by only eating the best bits and tastes first, and then eat only until you're politely satisfied. What's left are the less-favorite parts and it's easy to throw them out because it looks unappealing. It helps to remember that your body is not a trash-bin. <smile>

Best, Joy

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Lesley Taylor <lesleytaylor6112@...> wrote:
....which leads me to another thing that I need to
> work on.  "Throwing food away" - I find it so difficult, and no my mother did
> not tell me about the starving children in Africa, and I was never forced to eat
> anything I did not want.  I just find it so hard to throw away good food that is
> still edible.  I keep practicing though, tears rolling down my face when the
> food hits the bottom of the bin.......I am sure it will get easier....everything
> else is.



 
 




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[fast5] Re: Chewing gum... or licorice root?

Thank you.

I really need to break my tongue-chewing habit! Before Fast-5, I would chew on my tongue a bit, but then get something to eat. Now while I am waiting to break my fast the chewing goes on a lot longer.... my tongue can't take it!! I don't break the skin or anything, just kinda knead the tongue with my teeth.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.nutsonline.com/cookingbaking/herbsspices/licorice.html?utm_source=googlebase
>
> $10 a lb. isn't bad. A pound of licorice root is a lot of root!
>
> It doesn't work for me, as I said before. I do like Neem though. You can get
> that here:
>
> http://neemtreefarms.com/raw-botanicals-c-128.html
>
> As near as I can tell, neem has zero bad side effects and some very good
> ones. It's been very, very good for my teeth and makes a great tea. However,
> I have as yet been unable to grow it successfully.
>
> <http://www.nutsonline.com/cookingbaking/herbsspices/licorice.html?utm_source=googlebase>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Nic <nicollbarker@...> wrote:
>
> > I've been chewing sugar free gum lately to have that something to chew on
> > without breaking my fast effect but don't really like the idea of chemicals
> > and to be honest I don't really like the taste of chewing gum.
> >
> > Licorice root sounds like a good idea, I love the taste of licorice and I
> > have low blood pressure so like the idea it might raise it a touch!
> >
> > Any ideas where this can be purchased from, anyone?
> >
> > Niki
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good
> > > laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you
> > that
> > > way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories!
> > >
> > > Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still
> > > find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.
> > >
> > > I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with
> > Neem
> > > sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth
> > but
> > > not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would
> > like
> > > > to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have
> > to be
> > > > sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse
> > than
> > > > sugar.
> > > >
> > > > Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried
> > > > root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew
> > on
> > > > that during my fast?
> > > >
> > > > Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my
> > tongue...
> > > > My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was
> > chewing
> > > > it for a while....
> > > >
> > > > - T
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Heather Twist
> > > http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeatherTwist
> > > www.dunkers.us
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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[fast5] Re: Chewing gum... or licorice root?

If you have an herb store near you.

Otherwise you can google it, and buy it online.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Nic" <nicollbarker@...> wrote:
>
> I've been chewing sugar free gum lately to have that something to chew on without breaking my fast effect but don't really like the idea of chemicals and to be honest I don't really like the taste of chewing gum.
>
> Licorice root sounds like a good idea, I love the taste of licorice and I have low blood pressure so like the idea it might raise it a touch!
>
> Any ideas where this can be purchased from, anyone?
>
> Niki
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@> wrote:
> >
> > I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good
> > laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you that
> > way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories!
> >
> > Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still
> > find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.
> >
> > I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with Neem
> > sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth but
> > not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@>wrote:
> >
> > > I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would like
> > > to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have to be
> > > sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse than
> > > sugar.
> > >
> > > Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried
> > > root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew on
> > > that during my fast?
> > >
> > > Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my tongue...
> > > My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was chewing
> > > it for a while....
> > >
> > > - T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Heather Twist
> > http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
> >
> > http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeatherTwist
> > www.dunkers.us
> >
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Re: [fast5] Re: Chewing gum... or licorice root?



http://www.nutsonline.com/cookingbaking/herbsspices/licorice.html?utm_source=googlebase


$10 a lb. isn't bad. A pound of licorice root is a lot of root!

It doesn't work for me, as I said before. I do like Neem though. You can get that here:


As near as I can tell, neem has zero bad side effects and some very good ones. It's been very, very good for my teeth and makes a great tea. However, I have as yet been unable to grow it successfully.



On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Nic <nicollbarker@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I've been chewing sugar free gum lately to have that something to chew on without breaking my fast effect but don't really like the idea of chemicals and to be honest I don't really like the taste of chewing gum.

Licorice root sounds like a good idea, I love the taste of licorice and I have low blood pressure so like the idea it might raise it a touch!

Any ideas where this can be purchased from, anyone?

Niki

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good
> laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you that
> way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories!
>
> Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still
> find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.
>
> I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with Neem
> sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth but
> not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would like
> > to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have to be
> > sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse than
> > sugar.
> >
> > Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried
> > root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew on
> > that during my fast?
> >
> > Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my tongue...
> > My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was chewing
> > it for a while....
> >
> >  - T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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[fast5] Re: Chewing gum... or licorice root?

I've been chewing sugar free gum lately to have that something to chew on without breaking my fast effect but don't really like the idea of chemicals and to be honest I don't really like the taste of chewing gum.

Licorice root sounds like a good idea, I love the taste of licorice and I have low blood pressure so like the idea it might raise it a touch!

Any ideas where this can be purchased from, anyone?

Niki

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good
> laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you that
> way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories!
>
> Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still
> find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.
>
> I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with Neem
> sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth but
> not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@...>wrote:
>
> > I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would like
> > to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have to be
> > sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse than
> > sugar.
> >
> > Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried
> > root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew on
> > that during my fast?
> >
> > Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my tongue...
> > My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was chewing
> > it for a while....
> >
> > - T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>
> http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeatherTwist
> www.dunkers.us
>


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I used to chew it when I was a kid. One thing though: it is a rather good laxative and it can also raise blood pressure. If it doesn't affect you that way though, I'm sure it has less than 5 calories! 


Another thing I used to play with was cinnamon toothpicks, which I still find for sale occasionally. You can make your own though.

I don't chew sticks much these days but sometimes I brush my gums with Neem sticks, which kind of has the same "I need to do something with my mouth but not eat" feel. Neem makes your teeth feel really great too.


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, tamaratornado <tamaratornado@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would like to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have to be sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse than sugar.

Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew on that during my fast?

Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my tongue... My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was chewing it for a while....

 - T





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[fast5] Chewing gum... or licorice root?

I have a habit of chewing on my own tongue when I am hungry. I would like to stop that. I thought about chewing gum, but I suppose it would have to be sugarless, which normally means some chemical sweetener that is worse than sugar.

Then I remembered that you can chew on licorice root it's just a dried root, you gnaw on it, it has a pleasant flavor. Would I be able to chew on that during my fast?

Or I suppose I could just be mindful not to let myself chew on my tongue... My tongue is slightly sore right now. I don't chew hard, but I was chewing it for a while....

- T

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Monday, August 23, 2010

[fast5] Re: An Objective Look at IF - article by Alan Aragon

It was discussed before, back in 2007.
Please see the thread following:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/fast5/message/686

Bert

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Reyaz Raheem" <reyazr@...> wrote:
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> Did anyone read this article? Please excuse me if this was discussed before.
>

>
> Regards
>
> Rey
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Saturday, August 21, 2010

[fast5] An Objective Look at IF - article by Alan Aragon



Did anyone read this article? Please excuse me if this was discussed before.

 

http://www.alanaragon.com/an-objective-look-at-intermittent-fasting.html

 

 

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Monday, August 16, 2010

[fast5] Re: Ramadan

I'm not Muslim; but speaking in general, it seems human nature to need a special holiday to re-dedicate yourself to your principles.

Of course you should practice "abstinence from all things impure" (or however you want to word it) all the time, but most of us are imperfect, and need a reminder now and again.

That's my take on it.

- T

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Bill McCarty <wbmccarty@...> wrote:
>
> That's curious. Probably I misunderstand, but surely abstinence from all
> things impure should be a continuous rather than merely annual endeavor.
> And, as I wrote, I'd see it more as an endeavor than a thing that we can
> accomplish, whether annually or continually, though I suppose that depends
> on how narrowly one understands the concept of "impure." Part of moral
> development, as I understand it, is coming to an ever-widening understanding
> of the pervasiveness of impurity and, in particular, understanding impurity
> as a universal tendency of humankind, including oneself, rather than merely
> a condition affecting others.
>
> If doing so would not violate reasonable boundaries on topics of discussion
> here (which would perhaps entail a form of impurity), would you clarify,
> please?
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:46 AM, reyazraheem <reyazr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Well said Jill !
> > One other thing you can add about Ramadan, is that it is also abstenance
> > from all things impure - bad thoughts (avoid anger, jealousy), bad words
> > (avoid cursing, back-biting), vision (avoid looking at things we should not
> > be looking at), hearing (avoid listening to bad words). It is a yearly
> > retraining of the mind and body.
> >
> > Regards
> > Reyaz
> >
> > --
> Bill McCarty
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Sunday, August 15, 2010

[fast5] vegetarian... Re: Conundrum!

Vegetarianism and veganism is very popular. Vegan is very, very hip with younger people especially. And who wants to hurt animals? I became vegetarian when I was in college, and moved into a collective household which was vegetarian.

When you are young, it's easier to get away with eating less than optimal foods, so there's no telling how these younger folks will be as they get older if they keep eating vegan.

I became anemic as a vegetarian... my brother and I were macrobiotic for a while, he felt better at first, then became pale and skinny. He started eating meat again, then when I got sick I started listening to him.

Yet some of my friends still seem to be OK on a vegetarian diet, so I don't bother them about it, and they don't lecture me about eating meat either; live and let live.

I would like more acurate info about healthy meat to be out there. I do speak up whenever someone makes a remark that "of course it's healthier not to eat meat"... and seems to me that many people who do eat meat apologize for it nowadays.

Well, I could go on and on about it....


--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "barnabywalker" <barnabywalker@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Tom Jones <tomjones8@> wrote:
> >
> > Hehe .. She has been vegetarian for over twenty years, and is far stronger
> > than me!! I am sure that it isn't the animal fat that is the problem, just
> > the generally lower levels of fat..
> >
> > She isn't brainwashing me at all -- in fact she has turned me on to butter
> > instead of margarine... and I wasn't not eating meat, just avoiding the
> > eating of it in her presence (my idea, not hers!!)
> >
> > ..
> >
> > Tom.
>
>
> Guys just want to be sure that another guy doesn't allow himself to be "P-whipped". ;-)
>
> Too much silliness going on in the media about the "dangers" of animal fat. Subway puts only egg-whites, no yolks, in their new breakfast sandwiches. UK cardiologists getting all kinds of press for recommending statins for everyone eating a "fatty" burger.
>
> I would recommend you stick with your IF as the only thing you will lose is body fat, if you eat sufficient good food when eating. You stated you couldn't eat very much, so figured you might have been filling up on veggies instead of meat.
>
> Barnaby
>
>
> > On 15 August 2010 06:59, barnabywalker <barnabywalker@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Tom Jones <tomjones8@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the replies!
> > > >
> > > > I have realised that I have been on a mainly vegetarian diet for the last
> > > 3
> > > > months (due to dating a lovely vegetarian lady!), so I probably haven't
> > > been
> > > > getting as much fat as I have been used to. She also went on a
> > > > Weightwatchers diet a couple of weeks back, and my chocolate consumption
> > > has
> > > > dropped as a result (I can't eat it in front of her!).
> > > >
> > > > I am not feeling poorly or anything - just got a bit worried. I feel a
> > > bit
> > > > better now - and just need to make sure that I get an adequate supply of
> > > fat
> > > > from somewhere! :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again!
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > Somewhere, is ANIMAL Fats and Proteins!
> > >
> > > She surely hasn't veggie brainwashed you to avoid butter, whole eggs and
> > > dairy?
> > >
> > > And here you were ready to falsely blame Fast-5 for becoming a skinny
> > > vegetarian. You are losing MUSCLE.
> > >
> > > When I read your conundrum, I suspected you weren't eating good food.
> > >
> > > Try educating HER by suggesting "The Vegetarian Myth".
> > > http://www.greenlivingtips.com/blogs/398/The-Vegetarian-Myth.html
> > >
> > > Barnaby
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 13 August 2010 12:05, Tom Jones <tomjones8@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all
> > > > >
> > > > > I took up Fast-5 around 20 months ago, and it has been very good for me
> > > -
> > > > > maybe too good!
> > > > >
> > > > > I weighed around 13 stone (180 pounds) and my target was around 10.5
> > > stone
> > > > > (147 pounds) - which I achieved in about 3 or 4 months. I have spent
> > > the
> > > > > last year maintaining this weight, with a bit of cheating here and
> > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the last couple of weeks, however, my weight has dropped to 10 stone
> > > > > without me trying (140 pounds), and I can't seem to get it back up
> > > again, no
> > > > > matter how much I try, I keep getting full too easily!
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas, should I stop fast-5 for a while, or give it up completely?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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