Hi Karen and Ellen
Interesting about the beans. As I posted to you earlier Ellen, the grains elimination experimentation is certainly do-able but as far as dropping off beans, too, that may be tricky. I guess for protein I could eat Spirulina, Chlorella, and or Nutritional Yeast (which I believe are complete proteins) by the bucket but I have never used them as mainstays of my diet but as supplements in smaller amounts.
Regarding the elimination diet, I've always wanted to do it (or at least told myself that) but it takes a lot of discipline which I haven't had enough available so I never got around to it... excuses excuses, perhaps the time is now?
I have another question regarding the plant-based protein powders I partake of, are they still considered grain or bean even if they are just the protein component?
Because I eat plenty of protein powders such as Wheat Protein Isolate, Soy Protein Powder, Pea Protein Isloate, Hempseed Protein, Flaxseed Meal, Rice Protein Concentrate, and Buckwheat Protein. There is also a new plant-based protein source on the horizon I heard about, Cranberry Protein powder made from Cranberry Seeds that sounds good.
Ideally, I would not use that much of the above powders and meat "analogs" (veggie burgers, etc.) because they are definitely processed and not whole foods per se but I find it difficult to get protein otherwise (beans & grains have more carbs than protein, nuts & seeds have more than protein but with more fat; actually i bel;ieve all foods even fruits & veggies have some protein in them maybe not a whole lot though). The question may be how many buckets of unprocessed plant-based foods would one have to eat to get the protein they need?
Anyhow thank you to Karen for replying to Ellen, and to Ellen for replying back; you have given me much food for thought!
Regards,
Paul
--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Ellen Ussery <ellen.ussery@...> wrote:
>
> yes, you could not get all the nutrients.
>
> i suppose one could be vegan and not eat grains. The combination of grains
> and legumes provides the complete array of amino acids found in animal
> protein. So if you didn't eat grains and only ate beans you wouldn't be
> getting complete protein.
>
> Actually we cut out legumes the same time we cut out grains. Should have
> said that before.
>
> thing is, there are lots of problems with both grains and beans. They have
> lectins that are problematic, as well as enzyme inhibitors, Then of course
> there is the gluten in wheat, rye, barley, kamut and spelt . There are so
> many different things one could be reacting to, and there aren't really too
> many reliable tests. Many people will test negative for celiac and still
> have problems eating gluten containing foods.
>
> So the best thing to do is do your own elimination diet.
>
> The other thing about grains and legumes is that they raise your blood
> sugar even if they are whole grain. And a large percentage of the
> population really cannot handle the sugar. Even if their fasting blood sugar
> is "normal" ( below 100), they can have high post meal blood sugars and /or
> high insulin levels for years. These things do a lot of damage. Cause
> diabetic complications before they are technically diabetic. You can read
> about it on www. bloodsugar10l
>
> I eat animal protein of all kinds, animal fats , some nuts and seeds and a
> tiny bit of not very sweet fruit like berries. This is because I have found
> that all along i have also had a problem with blood sugar, unrecognized
> because I always had normal fasting blood sugar tests. Too bad it took till
> I was 66 to find out. I wish I had known how informative it could be to
> test your own blood sugar before and after meals for a few days. Out of
> whck blood sugars contribute to almost every illness there is, heart disease
> is a major one, mood and energy swings, even things like tendon problems
> and erectile dysfunction.
>
> Getting those blood sugars under control helps enormously with out of
> control hunger. Adding that to Fast-5 has been amazing to me. I was always
> hungry all the time. Fast-5 changed that but I would still have a hard time
> for the last couple of hours before my window. It is very different for me
> on this very low carb regimen.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Karen laurvick@... wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Ellen
> >
> >
> >
> > Your reply interests me…
> >
> >
> >
> > Why would you have to stop being vegan to stop eating grains?
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it because you cannot get all the nutrients in the `other' food options?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd be interesting in hearing what you DO eat.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been challenging myself to go grain-free (allowing oats and brown
> > rice).
> >
> >
> >
> > I started eating cookies made by my DD two days ago and I can already feel
> > my wrists and hands getting tight, so I know it is the wheat (at least).
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of
> > *Ellen Ussery
> > *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2009 7:36 AM
> > *To:* fast5@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [fast5] new member intro
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > …So I tried going off all grains to try to get my energy back.
> >
> >
> > If you want to try this you would, of course have to give up being a vegan
> > for the duration of the experiment.
> >
> >
> >
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