Fast-5 Diet and Lifestyle: October 2009

Thursday, October 29, 2009

[fast5] Re: Exercise and Fast 5...

Hi RuthR - thanks for the post. Gratz on the loss! I can't agree more with everything you wrote. WOW I feel fantastic. The amount of energy I have is off the chart :). I'm not obsessed by food and I really look forward to getting out with the dog. Problem is, now he's having a hard time keeping up...lol. I'm hoping to get back to the gym next week (dependant on the weather cause it's over an hour powerwalk/jog home and the weather is averaging low-mid 30s HOT desert weather. Cringe to think when summer really hits). So yeah, doing great. Good news for my first week - 5lb loss. 5 down, 40 something to go!

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RuthR" <rer00726@...> wrote:
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> You will do just fine. I do exercise in the am for two hours and also walk the dog. I can't believe the energy I have. I've been on this system for three weeks now and I love it. Believe me the hunger will stop. I use to eat breakfast and two hours later I had to eat and then lunch, etc. I will start shaking if I didn't eat food. I don't know how hard you are working out but maybe cut down a little or have more protein in your five hour window. Hunger will stop believe me. I used to be worry all the time about what and when I was going to eat. Just keep busy and you will make it. I lost 5 pounds as of today. My metabolism was just shut down. It didn't matter what I did I just couldn't loose any weight. I LOVE this way of LIFE. How is it going?
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "MS BROWN" <durlamuf@> wrote:
> >
> > I have decided to make my window between 2-7pm. The problem is, I usually exercise in the morning after the kids have gone to school and before it gets too hot to walk the dog. When I get home (sometime around 10am) I'm usually starving and will have something to eat. This morning is my first day on F5 and because I can't eat yet I've gulped down nearly a litre of water. My usual intake is around 2 litres a day. I don't have a problem drinking so much water, since I am a water junkie BUT is it ok to workout and not eat? How does everyone else do with morning exercise?
> >
>

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Monday, October 26, 2009

Re: [fast5] Daily headaches since fast-5ing... ideas?

The headaches I think usually relate to cortisol. Your body
cranks it out when you don't eat, to cause stored glycogen
to go into the blood. Sometimes the body overshoots and
releases too much cortisol, which causes symptoms
that people believe are "low blood sugar". I always did. But
then I bought a glucometer and guess what? When I was
shaky and headachy, my BG was *high*. The rest of the time
it was normal.

Sweets, for some people, do tend to get the BG out of
control and cause a rebound. They can also change
bacterial growth in the gut which causes it's own problems.
Only solution I know of is to experiment. Keep a journal
and see what works!

For me what works is to break my fast with something
high in protein, esp. fish or eggs. If I eat sweets or
straight starches, I eat them with konjac, which slows
down their assimilation so they act less like pure sugar
and don't cause that hunger rebound (or gut problems,
for me). Also I try to get plenty of water, and I take
fish oil for Omega-3's.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:
> I've been fast-5ing for about 5 weeks. I am not doing it to lose weight
> (I'm at my ideal weight), but for more energy. And it really works! My
> window is about 230p to 730p. Sometimes later.
>
> The only problem is I'm getting headaches before my window opens. And I
> admit that I often don't start at 230p, because amazingly, I'm not
> hungry!
>
> Is it low blood sugar? My friend thinks it's because I'm eating too many
> sweets. I do have some sweets at night sometimes...
>
> I would love to hear any ideas!
>
> Churyl
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Re: [fast5] optimal diet?

Try, instead, eating a Low Carb High Fat diet. You still eat veggies...no potatoes or grains. See if that won't work for you.

Here are some links for you to investigate what this diet approach is about:

http://www.wilstar.com/lowcarb/theplan.htm

Some menu plan ideas:

http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/induction_menus/induction_menus.html

Namaste

Pamela

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:15 PM, im4p5yc0 <sharkbait88@gmail.com> wrote:

so what is the optimal diet for fast 5?
i currently eat a high carb, low fat diet, a lot of whole grains, veggies fruits and some form of protein every day. i'm not losing any weight, (and haven't gained at all) not yet, but can i expect to if i keep going? i'm on week 5 of my fast five, and since i'm pretty close to my goal weight, with a few pounds left to go, i have switched into fast five maintenance mode, where i do fast five for the majority of the week, maybe taking the day off on the weekend or so.
i have read that people are having a lot of good experiences with a high fat low carb diet.
what has been working for you?

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[fast5] Daily headaches since fast-5ing... ideas?

I've been fast-5ing for about 5 weeks. I am not doing it to lose weight
(I'm at my ideal weight), but for more energy. And it really works! My
window is about 230p to 730p. Sometimes later.

The only problem is I'm getting headaches before my window opens. And I
admit that I often don't start at 230p, because amazingly, I'm not
hungry!

Is it low blood sugar? My friend thinks it's because I'm eating too many
sweets. I do have some sweets at night sometimes...

I would love to hear any ideas!

Churyl

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Re: [fast5] optimal diet?

Personally I do best when I eat more fish and eggs, and fewer
simple carbs, and konjac. But one big point of Fast-5 is that it retrains your
appestat so you crave what you need. Some people really do need
more carbs (esp. if you are running/swimming etc) and some need
more protein (esp. if you are weight-lifting or still growing) and there
are other issues too. It can vary from day to day too. Keeping a food
log can tell you what works for you.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, im4p5yc0 <sharkbait88@gmail.com> wrote:
> so what is the optimal diet for fast 5?
> i currently eat a high carb, low fat diet, a lot of whole grains, veggies fruits and some form of protein every day. i'm not losing any weight, (and haven't gained at all) not yet, but can i expect to if i keep going? i'm on week 5 of my fast five, and since i'm pretty close to my goal weight, with a few pounds left to go, i have switched into fast five maintenance mode, where i do fast five for the majority of the week, maybe taking the day off on the weekend or so.
> i have read that people are having a lot of good experiences with a high fat low carb diet.
> what has been working for you?
>
>
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[fast5] optimal diet?

so what is the optimal diet for fast 5?
i currently eat a high carb, low fat diet, a lot of whole grains, veggies fruits and some form of protein every day. i'm not losing any weight, (and haven't gained at all) not yet, but can i expect to if i keep going? i'm on week 5 of my fast five, and since i'm pretty close to my goal weight, with a few pounds left to go, i have switched into fast five maintenance mode, where i do fast five for the majority of the week, maybe taking the day off on the weekend or so.
i have read that people are having a lot of good experiences with a high fat low carb diet.
what has been working for you?

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[fast5] Re: Exercise and Fast 5...

You will do just fine. I do exercise in the am for two hours and also walk the dog. I can't believe the energy I have. I've been on this system for three weeks now and I love it. Believe me the hunger will stop. I use to eat breakfast and two hours later I had to eat and then lunch, etc. I will start shaking if I didn't eat food. I don't know how hard you are working out but maybe cut down a little or have more protein in your five hour window. Hunger will stop believe me. I used to be worry all the time about what and when I was going to eat. Just keep busy and you will make it. I lost 5 pounds as of today. My metabolism was just shut down. It didn't matter what I did I just couldn't loose any weight. I LOVE this way of LIFE. How is it going?
--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "MS BROWN" <durlamuf@...> wrote:
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> I have decided to make my window between 2-7pm. The problem is, I usually exercise in the morning after the kids have gone to school and before it gets too hot to walk the dog. When I get home (sometime around 10am) I'm usually starving and will have something to eat. This morning is my first day on F5 and because I can't eat yet I've gulped down nearly a litre of water. My usual intake is around 2 litres a day. I don't have a problem drinking so much water, since I am a water junkie BUT is it ok to workout and not eat? How does everyone else do with morning exercise?
>

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[fast5] Re: Exercise and Fast 5...

You know Deanna, you make a really good point. I had wondered about how well fast-five could work for people who are very lean. But what you said puts it into perspective. If a person has only one pound of fat on them (not possible, but hypothetical) they have access to 3500 calories! That's enough energy for a day or two. If a person like you or myself is maybe five pounds overweight, that's still over a week's worth of potential energy! The more I think about Fast-5 and it's implications I just get really irritated at how people are used to "grow the economy" and spend, spend, spend. It's so insidious.

Thanks Dr Herring, yet again. I think you've given us all a lot more than diet to think about.

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Deanna <WAPFbaby@...> wrote:
My body has plenty of fat fuel stores with which to use (although I am only about 5 lbs overweight)

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Sunday, October 25, 2009

[fast5] Re: Exercise and Fast 5...

Thanks for the info Deanna. I am fine not eating when I get up (never really was an early morning brekky person). I actually seem to function better without breakfast. I never eat before working out. My problem is after I exercise, I get home starving. I guess it's something I'm gonna have to adjust to. Will keep you all updated. :)

PS...You seem packed full of activity. Wish I had half your energy! :)

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Deanna <WAPFbaby@...> wrote:
>
> I exercise in the fasted state before 1pm most days. It doesn't matter
> if I work out in the morning or mid day. But then again, I have been a
> very active individual for 2/3 of my life. I am a 1st Dan Black Belt in
> Taekwondo, lift weights, play racquetball and otherwise play whenever I
> can. Once in a great while I will feel the need for food before a
> workout, in which case I may eat some jerky or other light snack. Also,
> I eat a very low carb diet - generally under 30 gm/day. My body has
> plenty of fat fuel stores with which to use (although I am only about 5
> lbs overweight). The idea that we must always eat something before
> exercise is a myth, at least for me. My window is also between about 2
> - 7pm.
>
> Best wishes to you. I think you will gradually adjust.
>
>
> Deanna
>

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Saturday, October 24, 2009

[fast5] Re: Exercise and Fast 5...

I swim in the morning and my window is 1-6pm.. at the beggining I felt very hungry right after the practice because I used to drink a protein shake and I missed it very much, but after some days itÂ´s ok to drink the shake 3 hrs after the practice when my window opens.. maybe you'll be ok after some days of ajustment...

Regina

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "MS BROWN" <durlamuf@...> wrote:
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> I have decided to make my window between 2-7pm. The problem is, I usually exercise in the morning after the kids have gone to school and before it gets too hot to walk the dog. When I get home (sometime around 10am) I'm usually starving and will have something to eat. This morning is my first day on F5 and because I can't eat yet I've gulped down nearly a litre of water. My usual intake is around 2 litres a day. I don't have a problem drinking so much water, since I am a water junkie BUT is it ok to workout and not eat? How does everyone else do with morning exercise?
>

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[fast5] Re: Help!!!!

I discovered intermittent fasting about six months after my child was born (she'll be 4 next month) and I went from 137 to 120 using this new lifestyle.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "kdshinos" <kdshinos@...> wrote:
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> I had a baby 9 months ago and know I can't seem to get back to my pre baby weight....Will the diet help? or is it just a fad????
>
> Also, Can some one please give me an example of what your calorie intake is in your window and does it matter if you drink wine or beer?
>
> And last but not least is it possable to loose 50pounds on this diet???
>

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Friday, October 23, 2009

Re: [fast5] Exercise and Fast 5...

I exercise in the fasted state before 1pm most days. It doesn't matter if I work out in the morning or mid day. But then again, I have been a very active individual for 2/3 of my life. I am a 1st Dan Black Belt in Taekwondo, lift weights, play racquetball and otherwise play whenever I can. Once in a great while I will feel the need for food before a workout, in which case I may eat some jerky or other light snack. Also, I eat a very low carb diet - generally under 30 gm/day. My body has plenty of fat fuel stores with which to use (although I am only about 5 lbs overweight). The idea that we must always eat something before exercise is a myth, at least for me. My window is also between about 2 - 7pm.

Best wishes to you. I think you will gradually adjust.

Deanna

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[fast5] Re: Exercise and Fast 5...

Thanks for the info. I'll give it a couple of weeks and see what that does for me.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <laurvick@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ms Brown.
>
> Until recently, I worked out (hard/intensely) fasted for well over 7-8
> months with no problems.
>
> But, I will say I had to work up to that degree of success.
>
> When I started Fast5 a year ago and was lifting, I was crashing during my
> lifts. Sleepy, couldn't get power under my lifts, etc.
>
> This year/summer, I was making sure that I was fueling my body up with the
> good stuff so that when I went in to my work out, I had plenty of power.
>
> I'm not sure whether to tell you to not push so hard during your first work
> out fasted or to just see how it goes... <g>
>
> ^shrug^ you'll just have to see how it goes for you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MS
> BROWN
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:38 PM
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [fast5] Exercise and Fast 5...
>
> I have decided to make my window between 2-7pm. The problem is, I usually
> exercise in the morning after the kids have gone to school and before it
> gets too hot to walk the dog. When I get home (sometime around 10am) I'm
> usually starving and will have something to eat. This morning is my first
> day on F5 and because I can't eat yet I've gulped down nearly a litre of
> water. My usual intake is around 2 litres a day. I don't have a problem
> drinking so much water, since I am a water junkie BUT is it ok to workout
> and not eat? How does everyone else do with morning exercise?
>
>
>
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>
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RE: [fast5] Exercise and Fast 5...

Hi Ms Brown.

Until recently, I worked out (hard/intensely) fasted for well over 7-8
months with no problems.

But, I will say I had to work up to that degree of success.

When I started Fast5 a year ago and was lifting, I was crashing during my
lifts. Sleepy, couldn't get power under my lifts, etc.

This year/summer, I was making sure that I was fueling my body up with the
good stuff so that when I went in to my work out, I had plenty of power.

I'm not sure whether to tell you to not push so hard during your first work
out fasted or to just see how it goes... <g>

^shrug^ you'll just have to see how it goes for you.

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BROWN
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:38 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Exercise and Fast 5...

I have decided to make my window between 2-7pm. The problem is, I usually
exercise in the morning after the kids have gone to school and before it
gets too hot to walk the dog. When I get home (sometime around 10am) I'm
usually starving and will have something to eat. This morning is my first
day on F5 and because I can't eat yet I've gulped down nearly a litre of
water. My usual intake is around 2 litres a day. I don't have a problem
drinking so much water, since I am a water junkie BUT is it ok to workout
and not eat? How does everyone else do with morning exercise?

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[fast5] Re: Help!!!!

Thank You everyone!!! You guys are not like other groups were they don't reply. I will keep you posted.

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Thursday, October 22, 2009

RE: [fast5] Re: Help!!!! (Marty)

Awesome, Marty!

It sure is great for y'all to come out and share!

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marty398
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:41 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Re: Help!!!!

I don't know my calorie intake, but I typically eat what I want. I make a
point of starting with a small meal, not snacks or sweets. Otherwise, I
don't worry much about what I am eating. But I virtually never eat outside
my eating window (3 - 8 PM). The only 2 times I have in the last 10 weeks
it was a big early morning breakfast and it took almost a week to get back
where I was.

I have a beer if I want (once or twice a week normally) and an occasional
glass of wine.

I started 10 weeks ago and I'm down 17 lbs. That's better than 1.5 lbs per
week and I weigh less than I have in about 10 years or so (211). But I am a
52 year old, 5'10" man who would like to loose another 36 lbs so I sure hope
50 is doable!

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[fast5] Exercise and Fast 5...

I have decided to make my window between 2-7pm. The problem is, I usually exercise in the morning after the kids have gone to school and before it gets too hot to walk the dog. When I get home (sometime around 10am) I'm usually starving and will have something to eat. This morning is my first day on F5 and because I can't eat yet I've gulped down nearly a litre of water. My usual intake is around 2 litres a day. I don't have a problem drinking so much water, since I am a water junkie BUT is it ok to workout and not eat? How does everyone else do with morning exercise?

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[fast5] Re: Update #2 :)

Congratulations on the weight loss. Good on you for hanging in there!

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> its been twenty days now since I started dieting, I weighed in at 348 pounds. Yay! another 4 pounds in 10 days! My total weight lost is 7 pounds... only 173 more pounds to go lol. I feel good, I'm very happy with how I've been feeling, eating alot of fruit and vegetables. I can tolerate the sensation of hunger now more easily :) good luck everyone!
> ~Jess
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[fast5] Re: Help!!!!

I don't know my calorie intake, but I typically eat what I want. I make a point of starting with a small meal, not snacks or sweets. Otherwise, I don't worry much about what I am eating. But I virtually never eat outside my eating window (3 - 8 PM). The only 2 times I have in the last 10 weeks it was a big early morning breakfast and it took almost a week to get back where I was.

I have a beer if I want (once or twice a week normally) and an occasional glass of wine.

I started 10 weeks ago and I'm down 17 lbs. That's better than 1.5 lbs per week and I weigh less than I have in about 10 years or so (211). But I am a 52 year old, 5'10" man who would like to loose another 36 lbs so I sure hope 50 is doable!

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RE: [fast5] Help!!!!

Wow!. I have filed this email away for future reference.

Real words of wisdom.

Reyaz

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Voelker
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:33 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

Agreed - Dr. Herring even recommends 'working up' to a full 19 hour window for folks that initially have a challenge with it.

Look, I've gotta say this too -- I appreciate the way Jessica put "cheating" in parentheses, because seriously - to me this is not a diet! Your diet is made up of what you eat; this is all about approaching your diet in a different way.

If you have a day where you don't make your 19 hour window, and then you beat yourself up about 'failing' or 'falling off the wagon,' so to speak, then you're completely missing the point. Following a plan like this, at least for me, provides a primary benefit about not having to spend all day thinking about what you can and can't consume. Of course I'm speaking to folks that don't have other dietary issues or physical issues other than excess weight. The benefits come by consistent application and by paying attention to your body. Perfection comes after you die, and not before, so just aim for 'constantly improving.' :-)

If you're starting this plan to lose fat, here are some tidbits of advice that I'd provide:

Stop thinking about losing weight -- think in terms of losing fat. Don't throw the scale away but don't look at it as gospel either. You can celebrate losing two pounds and have it just be water; at the same time you can beat yourself up if the scale didn't move, but you've actually lost fat. Concentrate on how you look and how you feel.
Baby steps! Consider the idea that you can tweak your food choices after you've settled into the plan. Think of all the times you threw yourself into a 'diet' religiously only to make it short-term. Structured diets are almost always short-term. That's why there's always room for someone else to take your money with a new 'diet revolution.'
Clarify your goals, and learn to reset them based on how you look and feel. When I was over 400, my goal was to get under 300. When I was 300, I aimed for 250. I started Fast5 when I was around 230. Now I'm at 210 and have added 10-20 pounds of muscle over the last three years (I'm 6'4"). I've already surpassed any goal I ever placed on myself physically, and there's room for improvement. I'd like to lose another 15 pounds of fat and add some more muscle. At 42, it's just a matter of saying "hmm. . .how good can I get?" And yes, I still eat cookies, ice cream, fried food, chocolate, etc - just not every day (although once in a while I'll eat them all at once, just like the next guy!).
Don't be afraid to modify your window based on the fact that you actually have a life. Got a lunch meeting that happens three hours before your window arrives? Simple -- stretch your fast the next day until you're back to your normal window. Holiday breakfast with lots of potential calories? Eat light the day before and cut your window back. It's not difficult, but you might notice that old fears crop up after all the other diets you tried and failed.
Aim for 19 hours every day. Put a check-mark on the calendar every time you score, a circle every time you get over 15 hours, and a big X every time you said "ahh, screw it!" My guess is that you'll get to where you want to be if you can keep the X's down to two or three each month. Maybe more if you're a hard exerciser!
While I'm on my rant (laughing), don't operate out of fear or self-hate, because if you do, make no mistake: you will validate your feelings by failing. Take back your self-view if you've allowed others to create the belief that you're less than wonderful. Getting healthy must include your self-perception. Think of this or any other program as a way to show affection to yourself, not as a form of self-loathing.
Drink a lot of water.
Smile a lot.

Good luck to everyone!

Phil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:

From: Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com>
Subject: Re: [fast5] Help!!!!
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:48 PM

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 9:24 pm, Jessica Pearl wrote:
> Commit yourself to 15 days or something and don't cheat no matter how
> bad or good you feel.
*****

Just a different perspective. .. I usually subscribe to this method when
trying new things. But they invariably are too difficult, I can't
comply, I fail and then give up.

So with fast-5 I let myself take it easy. I definitely 'cheated' at
first... baby steps. And every day I got closer to my goal of a 5 hour
eating window. Now it has been 4 weeks and it is sooo easy to do the 5
hour window because my body is used to it. And I got here much more
easily than if I were to not 'cheat'.

So choose your method depending on your personality.

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Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

Phil,

What a great post!

Ellen

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Phil Voelker <mail4pvoelker@yahoo.com> wrote:

Agreed - Dr. Herring even recommends 'working up' to a full 19 hour window for folks that initially have a challenge with it.

Look, I've gotta say this too -- I appreciate the way Jessica put "cheating" in parentheses, because seriously - to me this is not a diet! Your diet is made up of what you eat; this is all about approaching your diet in a different way.

If you have a day where you don't make your 19 hour window, and then you beat yourself up about 'failing' or 'falling off the wagon,' so to speak, then you're completely missing the point. Following a plan like this, at least for me, provides a primary benefit about not having to spend all day thinking about what you can and can't consume. Of course I'm speaking to folks that don't have other dietary issues or physical issues other than excess weight. The benefits come by consistent application and by paying attention to your body. Perfection comes after you die, and not before, so just aim for 'constantly improving.' :-)

If you're starting this plan to lose fat, here are some tidbits of advice that I'd provide:

Stop thinking about losing weight -- think in terms of losing fat. Don't throw the scale away but don't look at it as gospel either. You can celebrate losing two pounds and have it just be water; at the same time you can beat yourself up if the scale didn't move, but you've actually lost fat. Concentrate on how you look and how you feel.

Baby steps! Consider the idea that you can tweak your food choices after you've settled into the plan. Think of all the times you threw yourself into a 'diet' religiously only to make it short-term. Structured diets are almost always short-term. That's why there's always room for someone else to take your money with a new 'diet revolution.'

Clarify your goals, and learn to reset them based on how you look and feel. When I was over 400, my goal was to get under 300. When I was 300, I aimed for 250. I started Fast5 when I was around 230. Now I'm at 210 and have added 10-20 pounds of muscle over the last three years (I'm 6'4"). I've already surpassed any goal I ever placed on myself physically, and there's room for improvement. I'd like to lose another 15 pounds of fat and add some more muscle. At 42, it's just a matter of saying "hmm. . .how good can I get?" And yes, I still eat cookies, ice cream, fried food, chocolate, etc - just not every day (although once in a while I'll eat them all at once, just like the next guy!).

Don't be afraid to modify your window based on the fact that you actually have a life. Got a lunch meeting that happens three hours before your window arrives? Simple -- stretch your fast the next day until you're back to your normal window. Holiday breakfast with lots of potential calories? Eat light the day before and cut your window back. It's not difficult, but you might notice that old fears crop up after all the other diets you tried and failed.

Aim for 19 hours every day. Put a check-mark on the calendar every time you score, a circle every time you get over 15 hours, and a big X every time you said "ahh, screw it!" My guess is that you'll get to where you want to be if you can keep the X's down to two or three each month. Maybe more if you're a hard exerciser!

While I'm on my rant (laughing), don't operate out of fear or self-hate, because if you do, make no mistake: you will validate your feelings by failing. Take back your self-view if you've allowed others to create the belief that you're less than wonderful. Getting healthy must include your self-perception. Think of this or any other program as a way to show affection to yourself, not as a form of self-loathing.

Drink a lot of water.

Smile a lot.

Good luck to everyone!

Phil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:

From: Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com>
Subject: Re: [fast5] Help!!!!
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:48 PM

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 9:24 pm, Jessica Pearl wrote:
> Commit yourself to 15 days or something and don't cheat no matter how
> bad or good you feel.
*****

Just a different perspective. .. I usually subscribe to this method when
trying new things. But they invariably are too difficult, I can't
comply, I fail and then give up.

So with fast-5 I let myself take it easy. I definitely 'cheated' at
first... baby steps. And every day I got closer to my goal of a 5 hour
eating window. Now it has been 4 weeks and it is sooo easy to do the 5
hour window because my body is used to it. And I got here much more
easily than if I were to not 'cheat'.

So choose your method depending on your personality.

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Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

Agreed - Dr. Herring even recommends 'working up' to a full 19 hour window for folks that initially have a challenge with it.

If you're starting this plan to lose fat, here are some tidbits of advice that I'd provide:

Stop thinking about losing weight -- think in terms of losing fat. Don't throw the scale away but don't look at it as gospel either. You can celebrate losing two pounds and have it just be water; at the same time you can beat yourself up if the scale didn't move, but you've actually lost fat. Concentrate on how you look and how you feel.
Baby steps! Consider the idea that you can tweak your food choices after you've settled into the plan. Think of all the times you threw yourself into a 'diet' religiously only to make it short-term. Structured diets are almost always short-term. That's why there's always room for someone else to take your money with a new 'diet revolution.'
Clarify your goals, and learn to reset them based on how you look and feel. When I was over 400, my goal was to get under 300. When I was 300, I aimed for 250. I started Fast5 when I was around 230. Now I'm at 210 and have added 10-20 pounds of muscle over the last three years (I'm 6'4"). I've already surpassed any goal I ever placed on myself physically, and there's room for improvement. I'd like to lose another 15 pounds of fat and add some more muscle. At 42, it's just a matter of saying "hmm. . .how good can I get?" And yes, I still eat cookies, ice cream, fried food, chocolate, etc - just not every day (although once in a while I'll eat them all at once, just like the next guy!).
Don't be afraid to modify your window based on the fact that you actually have a life. Got a lunch meeting that happens three hours before your window arrives? Simple -- stretch your fast the next day until you're back to your normal window. Holiday breakfast with lots of potential calories? Eat light the day before and cut your window back. It's not difficult, but you might notice that old fears crop up after all the other diets you tried and failed.
Aim for 19 hours every day. Put a check-mark on the calendar every time you score, a circle every time you get over 15 hours, and a big X every time you said "ahh, screw it!" My guess is that you'll get to where you want to be if you can keep the X's down to two or three each month. Maybe more if you're a hard exerciser!
While I'm on my rant (laughing), don't operate out of fear or self-hate, because if you do, make no mistake: you will validate your feelings by failing. Take back your self-view if you've allowed others to create the belief that you're less than wonderful. Getting healthy must include your self-perception. Think of this or any other program as a way to show affection to yourself, not as a form of self-loathing.
Drink a lot of water.
Smile a lot.

Good luck to everyone!

Phil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com> wrote:

From: Churyl Zeviar <churyl@tmail.com>
Subject: Re: [fast5] Help!!!!
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:48 PM

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 9:24 pm, Jessica Pearl wrote:
> Commit yourself to 15 days or something and don't cheat no matter how
> bad or good you feel.
*****

Just a different perspective. .. I usually subscribe to this method when
trying new things. But they invariably are too difficult, I can't
comply, I fail and then give up.

So with fast-5 I let myself take it easy. I definitely 'cheated' at
first... baby steps. And every day I got closer to my goal of a 5 hour
eating window. Now it has been 4 weeks and it is sooo easy to do the 5
hour window because my body is used to it. And I got here much more
easily than if I were to not 'cheat'.

So choose your method depending on your personality.

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Re: [fast5] Kidneys

It is permissible to drink water and tea (unsweetened, or, Stevia sweetened, for example) in the non-fasting periods. This would keep your kidney's in good order. Namaste! Pamela

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Glucks at USA <glucks@usa.net> wrote:

Is there any concern that daily 19 hour fasting or fast weight loss would lead to kidney damage? Has this concept been around long enough to not be concerned about kidney damage?

So far, after only a few days, this has eliminated my all nite binging and I have had absolutely no problems sticking to the schedule. The only challenge has been the first 2-3 hours after my last meal. Since I used to skip breakfast, the schedule has been perfect for me and no problem waiting til after noon to eat. I have found that I can't "stuff" myself, and after eating my first meal of the day, plus a few hours of "snacks", I almost have to force myself to eat one more meal before the 5 hours are up. Our scale is not that accurate, but I'm sure I have lost 5-10 lbs; however when starting diets in the past, the first 10 lbs has always been easy.

Alan.

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Wednesday, October 21, 2009

[fast5] Kidneys

Is there any concern that daily 19 hour fasting or fast weight loss would lead to kidney damage? Has this concept been around long enough to not be concerned about kidney damage?

So far, after only a few days, this has eliminated my all nite binging and I have had absolutely no problems sticking to the schedule. The only challenge has been the first 2-3 hours after my last meal. Since I used to skip breakfast, the schedule has been perfect for me and no problem waiting til after noon to eat. I have found that I can’t “stuff” myself, and after eating my first meal of the day, plus a few hours of “snacks”, I almost have to force myself to eat one more meal before the 5 hours are up. Our scale is not that accurate, but I’m sure I have lost 5-10 lbs; however when starting diets in the past, the first 10 lbs has always been easy.

Alan.

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Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 9:24 pm, Jessica Pearl wrote:
> Commit yourself to 15 days or something and don't cheat no matter how
> bad or good you feel.
*****

Just a different perspective... I usually subscribe to this method when
trying new things. But they invariably are too difficult, I can't
comply, I fail and then give up.

So with fast-5 I let myself take it easy. I definitely 'cheated' at
first... baby steps. And every day I got closer to my goal of a 5 hour
eating window. Now it has been 4 weeks and it is sooo easy to do the 5
hour window because my body is used to it. And I got here much more
easily than if I were to not 'cheat'.

So choose your method depending on your personality.

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RE: [fast5] Update #2 :)

:D yea I used to hate being hungry! It made me cheat on all diets, its so weird I actually love the feeling of hunger now! Its like a good sensation to have and I enjoy my food alot more, I feel really alive! 7 pounds isn't alot but its something, lol if you pick up one of those packs of 4 sticks of butter its a pound, pick up 7 of those and suddenly my weight loss feels significant :D I was eating half fruit and veg for all my food but I think I'm going to bump it up to 2/3 of all my food because I feel so good eating it and love all the different flavors. My father brought home a large chocolate milkshake with sprinkles (one of my old favorites) he did it to be nice and I could only drink a few sips before I felt like I was going to get sick, it was sickeningly sweet and I can't imagine drinking that whole thing ever again! haha! its sitting in my freezer lol! I love feeling this good! I'm glad you're doing great too! Keep it up! :D

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From: Karen <laurvick@charter.net>
Subject: RE: [fast5] Update #2 :)
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 1:59 PM

Great news, Jess!

I had some blood work done today. When my doc was setting it up yesterday,
he was warning me that I'd have to 'fast'... 8 for one test, 12 for another
test.

Bring it on, says i....!

That is what I love most about having learned about intermittent fasting; I
can fast and know I'm not going to die!

It is great!

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From: fast5@yahoogroups. com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
issej86
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:58 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [fast5] Update #2 :)

its been twenty days now since I started dieting, I weighed in at 348
pounds. Yay! another 4 pounds in 10 days! My total weight lost is 7
pounds... only 173 more pounds to go lol. I feel good, I'm very happy with
how I've been feeling, eating alot of fruit and vegetables. I can tolerate
the sensation of hunger now more easily :) good luck everyone!
~Jess

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Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

I think its possible! In 20 days I've lost 7 pounds and its alot easier to cope with being hungry and cravings, it wasn't easy at first though so don't give up! Commit yourself to 15 days or something and don't cheat no matter how bad or good you feel. Also I did no exercise to lose the weight but am active at my job, I'm sure you're pretty active too with your new baby, congratulations! Just take it easy, enjoy yourself, don't stress about what you eat too much, whatever you eat enjoy it! I'm currently eating about half my food or more is fruits and vegetables by volume not calories, I don't like to count calories because I love to cook at home and its almost impossible to figure out calories when you make a dish from scratch haha, when I make my plate of food I make sure half is fruit or veggie and I eat them first in case I get too full to finish my plate, I'm thinking of bumping my fruit/veg intake to 2/3 of everything I eat because I love the way they make me feel, I feel so alive and healthy! I wish you luck on your weight loss, and don't give up! Even if you have a slip up just start again and don't worry, you have only failed when you have given up trying :)

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, kdshinos <kdshinos@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: kdshinos <kdshinos@yahoo.com>
Subject: [fast5] Help!!!!
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:25 PM

I had a baby 9 months ago and know I can't seem to get back to my pre baby weight....Will the diet help? or is it just a fad????

Also, Can some one please give me an example of what your calorie intake is in your window and does it matter if you drink wine or beer?

And last but not least is it possable to loose 50pounds on this diet???

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RE: [fast5] Help!!!! (Kirsteen)

great report in a nutshell for you, Kirsteen!

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirsteen Wright
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:46 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

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Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

My 'kids' are now young adults but on Fast5, I'm way below what I was when I fell pregnant, never mind what I gained. I've no idea what my calories are, I've never checked, but on Fast5, I think they just naturally cut down.

It's certainly not a fad, I've been on it for about 20 months now, lost 80 pounds overall and, although I don't want to lose any more weight, I intend to continue with it.

Good luck
Kirsteen

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RE: [fast5] Help!!!!

Hi There!

Have you read the e-book?

I can hear that you are desparate for something that will work for you.

I don't feel this is a 'fad'; many people here live this way.

We have a member that, I believe, has lost 100 pounds using Fast5.

Scan previous posts and look for subject lines entitled: update or latest
report or something like that.

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kdshinos
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:25 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Help!!!!

I had a baby 9 months ago and know I can't seem to get back to my pre baby
weight....Will the diet help? or is it just a fad????

Also, Can some one please give me an example of what your calorie intake is
in your window and does it matter if you drink wine or beer?

And last but not least is it possable to loose 50pounds on this diet???

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Re: [fast5] Help!!!!

Just want to add that it took me 2 years to lose my baby weight. I was
120 before baby, 170 when I gave birth, and hovered at 135 for a looong
time... 2 years. My baby is now 3.5y and I'm back to 120.

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 2:08 pm, kdshinos wrote:
> I had a baby 9 months ago and know I can't seem to get back to my pre
> baby weight....Will the diet help? or is it just a fad????
>
> Also, Can some one please give me an example of what your calorie
> intake is in your window and does it matter if you drink wine or beer?
>
> And last but not least is it possable to loose 50pounds on this diet???
>
>

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[fast5] Help!!!!

I had a baby 9 months ago and know I can't seem to get back to my pre baby weight....Will the diet help? or is it just a fad????

Also, Can some one please give me an example of what your calorie intake is in your window and does it matter if you drink wine or beer?

And last but not least is it possable to loose 50pounds on this diet???

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Tuesday, October 20, 2009

RE: [fast5] Wow

i have been eating high fat for about 2 months, so i'm sure it is the fat you are getting that is helping you to feel satisfied.

keep that number high (and of the good fats) and you'll be doing fine, i bet!

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bridget K
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:39 AM
To: Fast5
Subject: RE: [fast5] Wow

Yes Karen, that's the experiment I described - since Tuesday of last week that's all I've been eating. Until today, that is: today I have had some roast beef too.

To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
From: laurvick@charter.net
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:07:22 -0700
Subject: RE: [fast5] Wow

that is all you eat in a day?

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bridget K
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:46 AM
To: Fast5
Subject: RE: [fast5] Wow

Karen

no, I'm not tracking, but I have a pretty good idea: 8 eggs, and about 2 oz. of fat. Could be 1.5 or 2.5 oz. of fat - not sure! But in that region.

Hope that helps!

To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
From: laurvick@charter.net
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:35:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [fast5] Wow

Bridget

are you tracking your eats, like thru Fitday?

i'm wondering what you %s are for each: pro and fat...

From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bridget K
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:20 AM
To: Fast5
Subject: [fast5] Wow

Hi all,

I'm conducting an experiment on myself. This past week (completed tomorrow) I have eaten nothing but eggs (protein) and fats. I did this because I was/am desperate to shift some weight, but the unexpected result was that I have, for the first time, experienced absolutely NO hunger whatsoever!

I always ate low-ish carb, never any sugars / grains / starches, but I would normally eat my vegetables and quite a lot of them, in salads as well as cooked. Adding up to perhaps 80-100g of carbs per day. Now, this past week, I've eaten about 8 eggs per day and as much fat as I wanted, i.e. butter or coconut oil for scrambling eggs, mayo on hardboiled eggs. I'm getting tired of eggs and will probably allow for other proteins next week, but the way I feel as I do this is nothing short of a revelation.

Now I don't think I can (or want to) do this forever, it's probably not too healthy, but it's not going to kill me to carry on for another month or so. I'd love to feel like this forever. But I'll probably start adding in a salad per day, perhaps come November. For the moment, I just love this freedom... no hunger, ever! Granted, the food is less than exciting, but the point for me right now is that I'm finally losing weight and that my 19-hour fasting window couldn't be better: I never even think about food. I could carry on fasting much longer, it feels like - and I never felt that way.

Awesome!
B

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