Re: [fast5] Re: Oh man, you guys HAVE to see this!!!

We are in total agreement.  Like I said, in my opinion the big breakthrough that needs to permeate the brains of people is that this is not a one size fits all kind of deal.  I used to teach parenting classes and one of the things I said that always seemed to stick in people's minds is "You get who you get and you don't throw a fit."  I think the challenge in parenting is to figure out who the children you got really are and then parent that person instead of the child you wanted to get, expected to get, someone else got or an expert has written about.  You can use the same type of thinking with the setting of the needle on your "dashboard".  That's the setting you got and you have to learn to deal with it.  The big disservice being done in government and private industry alike regarding weight loss and nutrition is leaving out that initial, all important part - you need to figure out how your genetic fuel gauge is set.  That needs to be the next big focus.  It took me YEARS.

 

I notice it here in the intermittent fasting board all the time.  Some people can eat whatever they want (within reason) in their eating window and lose weight.  Others, like myself, had only limited success with that approach.  It is a very seductive idea but in reality, while it works that way for some, or maybe even for many, it does not work that way for everybody.  So combining the Fast 5 approach to intermittent fasting with the kind of diet that your body responds to is the key.  In the FAQ on the Fast-5 website I like Bert's approach in that he tells people to experiment and find a modification of the basics that works for them.  Very little dogma, very much common sense.  Maybe including some of this discussion on the site would be helpful to those just starting out. 

 

Kim

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: RickS

To: fast5@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:47 AM

Subject: [fast5] Re: Oh man, you guys HAVE to see this!!!

 

Thank you Kim for posting the Youtube.com version. I have no problems with the Doctoroz.com video, it's still available, but it's nice to see the YT version without all the commercials. Perhaps Barnaby has a popup blocker that's interfering? Just a thought...

Taubes does discuss this in his books. Some people convert sugars very readily to muscle glycogen. Some people store sugar as fat. Most people are somewhere in the middle. He says to think of it as a genetically programmed fuel gauge (like on the dashboard of your car). Obese people's needle is at F for "Fat". Thin people's needle is at E for "Energy". Every child is born with the needle at varying degrees from E to F. What this gauge shows is how much sugar is shuttled to muscles and other tissues, and how much is shuttled to fat cells. Fat people tend to store sugar as triglycerides in fat cells while thin people tend to turn sugars to energy.

If you're fat, sugar will make you fatter, it's how their bodies processes sugar. So, thin people can eat pretty much what they want, including Atkins type diets and tend to be thin no matter what they eat. Fat people will have to severely restrict and moderate carb intake their whole lives to stay thin and healthy because of the number and sensitivity of their insulin receptors and other genetically programmed factors. There is also a matter of changing gene expression through diet but it's far to technical for me to write about here, mostly because it's far too technical for me to remember it all. :)

There are other factors at play as well, but this is the jist of what Taubes writes about concerning why some people are fat and some are thin on similar diets. BTW, I use the term "fat" here because it's the word Taubes uses over and over in his books. No offense is intended. :)

So from my viewpoint, it's irresponsible for the US Gov't to recommend the same diet for everyone since the Dr Oz type diet will ultimately end up killing millions of people.

-Rick

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Kim Swearingen" <kim@...> wrote:
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> I think where the big disconnect is in the lack of focus on the reality that different things work for different people.
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> There are millions of people who eat way too much sugar and refined carbs and stay as thin as a rail and whether they work as a bicycle delivery driver or sit in front of a computer with their bag of Cheetos all day makes no difference. In that group, some drop dead early from coronary disease and some live into their 90s in good health.
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> Among the overweight, (let's call them group A) there are plenty of people who can eat moderately by watching caloric intake, enjoy granola with skim milk and blueberries for breakfast, a bagel and salad for lunch and a chicken breast with veggies and some brown rice for dinner and lowfat frozen yogurt with strawberries for dinner and lose weight. If I eat like that I gain weight (let's say I'm in group B). My body is extremely efficient at converting carbs to fat. Therein lies the issue that Dr. Oz fails to focus on. Gary Taubes said "if you tend to gain weight easily it is because you have a hormonal problem" and it wasn't picked up on and discussed.
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> What I suspect is that if you had group A follow the diet that Gary Taubes advocates they would lose weight while if you had group B follow the diet that Dr. Oz advocates they would not necessarily lose weight. I know I don't. The real question is, which one is for you? It is a case where both people can be right and they would both help more people by coming up with some way to test and predict which way is right for any given individual. Dr. Oz hinted at it at the end saying that medicine is making advances in predicting who might do better on this kind of a diet. That is where the next big focus has to be.
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> They share some common ground. They are both right about leaving refined carbs, sugar, high fructose corn syrup, highly processed meats, trans fats out of a diet. Emperical evidence is powerful, I wish there were a cholesterol test that Gary believed in and would have submitted to. Can you imagine if they had done some battery of cardiac tests that showed Gary's heart/arteries to be in excellent condition? That would have been fun to watch, a secret reveal in a sealed envelope by the Waterhouse accounting firm or something. :- )
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> Kim
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barnaby Walker
> To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:47 AM
> Subject: [fast5] Re: Oh man, you guys HAVE to see this!!!
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> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "Kim Swearingen" <kim@> wrote:
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> > The whole thing is available on YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4MRKH4zHUc
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> Thanks for pointing out appropriate links. I'm going to check out the radio spots as well, but wanted to comment first about the video.
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> Oz should lose ALL respect as an expert. Gary Taubes pointed out that Oz is much like the receptionist in any Doctor's office knows. Doctors believe "they are god",even when they are WRONG.
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> Their Corporate/Gov brainwashing is the REAL Evil, to Obesity Epidemic.
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> Barnaby
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> > Even better is the radio interview they did together on Dr. Oz's radio show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMUGUZ3EEEo part one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbw_8vRvbg0&feature=related part two
> >
> >
> > Kim
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Barnaby Walker
> > To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:36 AM
> > Subject: [fast5] Re: Oh man, you guys HAVE to see this!!!
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> >
> > The link to that video is not even available now.
> >
> > Not surprised to see Dr. Oz trashing Gary Taubes though.
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> > Oz is a brainwasher of Corporate/Gov, pushing Whole Grain Carbs, like his Post cereals sponsor. While he demonizes the good for you foods like saturated animal fights and meat proteins.
> >
> > It's brainwashers like him in control of Government "Food Pyramid" lies.
> >
> > Every "expert" on TV is always talking about Calories and Fat as though they are the root of all evil...yet they attempt to program Sheeple that Carbs are "good for you".
> >
> > Fasting needs to be combined with proper food selection of almost no Carbs, and plenty of fatty meat. It's how you easily sustain long fasting hours.
> >
> > I've been "4 hour body" experimenting recently with black beans or pinto beans along with my daily meal of fatty meat. those slow reacting carbs have certainly not reduced my Fasting Stamina and I am hopeful they'll live up to their reputation of not being a bad carb in a low carb way of eating.
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> > Barnaby
> >
> > --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <rstewart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/man-who-thinks-everything-dr-oz-says-wrong-pt-1
> > >
> > > I went into the gym last night after work to get changed for my ride home, and Dr OZ was on the TVs with Gary Taubes. So I had to stop and listen, if only to see what Gary Taubes had to say. Oz is really dogmatic whereas I think Taubes tries to make his point using the best science. It was WAY lopsided and slanted toward Dr Oz's point of view, but what do you expect, it's his show. :)
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > -Rick
>

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